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SCOTUS Strikes Down LA Abortion Law - Roberts Joins Libs
Quote:WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Louisiana's tough restriction on abortion violates the Constitution, a surprising victory for abortion rights advocates from an increasingly conservative court.

The 5-4 decision in which Chief Justice John Roberts joined with the courts liberal justices struck down a law passed by Louisiana's legislature in 2014 that required any doctor offering abortion services to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles. Its enforcement had been blocked by a protracted legal battle.

Two Louisiana doctors and a medical clinic sued to get the law overturned. They said it would leave only one doctor at a single clinic to provide services for nearly 10,000 women who seek abortions in the state each year.

Supreme Court, in 5-4 ruling, strikes down restrictive Louisiana abortion law
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I think Ohio [used to] has a similar law.
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Less future Democrat voters.
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Consistent with what he did on the Texas law. Would have been a surprise if he changed.
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It appears to me that Roberts has not conserved much conservatism.
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(06-29-2020 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Consistent with what he did on the Texas law. Would have been a surprise if he changed.

Yah, no surprise.
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Unfortunate, but the fight continues.
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Robert's said the Texas law was constitutional when he knew his vote was irrelevant but that the exact same Louisiana law is unconstitutional now that his vote would have mattered.

The Supreme Court and the judicial branch is the most political of all our branches of government. At least the other branches admit their political nature and biases
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/suprem...li=BBnb7Kz

From the article: "The chief justice said respect for precedent compelled him to vote with the majority."

It's a good think Roberts wasn't around when other bad Supreme Court decisions needed to be overturned
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I can't wait for RBG and possibly SB replacements during Trump's next term.

Hopefully a conservative solid majority will result in overturning RvW.
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Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

Ask yourself, is this really the hill you want to die on? If it is, then go for it. But I don't see this as a winning fight, and I don't see expending all that energy on a battle you cannot win as a practical matter. If you really care, work on making alternatives like abortion easier to do.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.
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(06-29-2020 10:16 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Robert's said the Texas law was constitutional when he knew his vote was irrelevant but that the exact same Louisiana law is unconstitutional now that his vote would have mattered.

The Supreme Court and the judicial branch is the most political of all our branches of government. At least the other branches admit their political nature and biases

Ok, you're right. It was Kennedy who was the 5th. I was reading an article the other day speculating he would vote this way to preserve the Texas ruling.
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(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

IMO, this goes back to the beginning of when the religious right made this a political issue...it was solely to elect their candidates. It was never about the children really.

Abortion is and will always be a societal issue. There is no political solution to it.
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(06-29-2020 10:20 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/suprem...li=BBnb7Kz

From the article: "The chief justice said respect for precedent compelled him to vote with the majority."

It's a good think Roberts wasn't around when other bad Supreme Court decisions needed to be overturned

I had thought an ideal court would have 2 Scalias, 3 Roberts, 2 O'Connors and 2 Breyers. I'm convinced now we need 5 Scalias. Someone needs to roll back the excesses of prior courts and not give such credence to bad decisions. Its not like this was an earth-shattering or long established precedent.
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(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

It's a huge issue because many of us see it as murder of the innocent. To me it is on the same plane as the sick guy that walked into an elementary school and killed a lot of innocent kids. However, in our messed up society abortion is legal. It is the simple. I will never be OK with it. I won't resort to violence to stop it, but I will put my time and money into alternatives. But to be clear, in states like California, they are trying to shut down those alternatives, and that makes me sad.
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(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

I think it’s a bigger deal for those on the left. Just as one of them about it, they’ll tell you.

I agree with you, though, if you think it’s a sin, don’t do it.

I don’t care what lefties do.
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(06-29-2020 10:59 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

It's a huge issue because many of us see it as murder of the innocent. To me it is on the same plain as the sick guy that walked into an elementary school and killed a lot of innocent kids. However, in our messed up society abortion is legal. It is the simple. I will never be OK with it. I won't resort to violence to stop it, but I will put my time and money into alternatives. But to be clear, in states like California, they are trying to shut down those alternatives, and that makes me sad.

But you have to then admit, that Planned Parenthood and similar groups are necessary for education, etc. Also birth control needs promoted as well. Many will always have a problem with these things that could be used to reduce unwanted pregnancies if they were championed instead of continually demonized by many.

Regardless of RvW, women will still seek abortions.
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(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

Why do people oppose the death penalty when they aren't being executed? Why do people care about Tibet or the Uighurs? Why did people care about the genocide in Rwanda? Why did people care about the Holocaust if they weren't Jewish?

And as someone who claims to be a Libertarian, why would you force a religious based adoption agency to certify gay parents?
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And this case didn't ban abortions. It just made sure doctors who performed them were authorized to work in a hospital. It went after assembly line abortions.
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(06-29-2020 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

Why do people oppose the death penalty when they aren't being executed? Why do people care about Tibet or the Uighurs? Why did people care about the genocide in Rwanda? Why did people care about the Holocaust if they weren't Jewish?

And as someone who claims to be a Libertarian, why would you force a religious based adoption agency to certify gay parents?

Because our country was founded on the freedom of religion or to not have one. You can't make laws solely on religious grounds and then try to apply them to people who don't want anything to do with religion.
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