Quote:WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Louisiana's tough restriction on abortion violates the Constitution, a surprising victory for abortion rights advocates from an increasingly conservative court.

The 5-4 decision in which Chief Justice John Roberts joined with the courts liberal justices struck down a law passed by Louisiana's legislature in 2014 that required any doctor offering abortion services to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles. Its enforcement had been blocked by a protracted legal battle.

Two Louisiana doctors and a medical clinic sued to get the law overturned. They said it would leave only one doctor at a single clinic to provide services for nearly 10,000 women who seek abortions in the state each year.

(06-29-2020 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Consistent with what he did on the Texas law. Would have been a surprise if he changed.

(06-29-2020 10:16 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Robert's said the Texas law was constitutional when he knew his vote was irrelevant but that the exact same Louisiana law is unconstitutional now that his vote would have mattered.

The Supreme Court and the judicial branch is the most political of all our branches of government. At least the other branches admit their political nature and biases

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

(06-29-2020 10:20 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-strikes-down-louisiana-abortion-restrictions/ar-BB166JCf?li=BBnb7Kz

From the article: "The chief justice said respect for precedent compelled him to vote with the majority."

It's a good think Roberts wasn't around when other bad Supreme Court decisions needed to be overturned

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

(06-29-2020 10:59 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

It's a huge issue because many of us see it as murder of the innocent. To me it is on the same plain as the sick guy that walked into an elementary school and killed a lot of innocent kids. However, in our messed up society abortion is legal. It is the simple. I will never be OK with it. I won't resort to violence to stop it, but I will put my time and money into alternatives. But to be clear, in states like California, they are trying to shut down those alternatives, and that makes me sad.

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

(06-29-2020 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why is this such a huge issue with so many on the right? I mean, seriously, if you believe it is a sin, then don't do it yourself. But you are wasting huge amounts of time, money, and energy fighting a battle that you're not going to win. Put that time, money, and energy into creating viable options to abortion--like making adoption much easier to do--and you'll accomplish far more in the long run.

I mean, single girl gets knocked up, childless couple offers to pay her to have her baby for them, and that's somehow some great moral and ethical problem? Why? Or gay couple wants to adopt child that might otherwise be aborted and that is some great moral and ethical dilemma? Why? And these are things that are beyond the normal hassle required to adopt.

I know someone who would have been a single mother who chose to have an abortion instead. I know someone else who would have been a single mother and chose to put her daughter up for adoption. I know three gay individuals/couples who have chosen to adopt, and I am quite certain that the children involved in all cases are far better off than they would have been otherwise.

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.

Why do people oppose the death penalty when they aren't being executed? Why do people care about Tibet or the Uighurs? Why did people care about the genocide in Rwanda? Why did people care about the Holocaust if they weren't Jewish?

And as someone who claims to be a Libertarian, why would you force a religious based adoption agency to certify gay parents?