I hope it passes, the left deserves to live under what they advocate for instead of just capitalizing on outrage to win elections and then not actually ever doing anything.

Criminals will flood in, and law-abiding citizens will flee. It will be hell on earth.

The sheriff's department of Hennepin county better prepare for a big influx of calls

(06-05-2020 10:06 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  Just a step on the way to Sharia?

You are not the first I've heard say that.

No wonder gun sales are spiking.

Welp time to get the CCW. Won't be long til this goes other places

I wonder what the rest of the state thinks?

I've long believed that MN is going to be the surprise state of 2020. Without the 3rd party spoiler of Mcmuffin Trump may very well have won MN in 2016.

How will this play out?

(06-05-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:48 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The world is governed by the aggressive use of force. If there is no police, the people most likely to use force are criminals. In response, the citizens will eventually form their own well run and regulated militia for each neighborhood. I mean—who’s going to stop them or arrest them?

In response to the beefed up security in neighborhoods, criminals will organize into large crime syndicates—-think cartels and gangs in order to fight back. Minneapolis will quickly become the murder capital of the world. Unable to secure its people or keep its manufacturing production from being stolen, big corporate business’s will leave quickly. The ensuing Unemployment that results from corporate flight will swell the ranks of the crime syndicates. Legitimate economic activity in the city will collapse and the people who cannot afford to leave will watch helplessly as the Minneapolis descends into anarchy. The crime syndicates in the end will run the city and the syndicate that is most brutal will rise to control it all.

If you didn’t like police brutality—just wait until your governed by a cartel. Minneapolis will one day be a cautionary tale.

Are those the two choices? Why?

Those are the two choices.

If you asking if I am pro-police brutality---of course not. However, it will exist to some extent as a long as humans are on the force. Humans make mistakes. Humans have issues.

Last year, nationwide, in a country of 350 million, there were 9 killings of unarmed African American men by the police. There were 19 police killings of unarmed white men by police. Thats too many needless deaths in my mind--but its not exactly an epidemic. Thats also signficantly lower than it was in 2015 (I believe it 36 unarmed African Americans killed by police).

The video we saw was awful---but to an extent---it seems to me part of the problem there is the use of a detention hold that can be deadly. Nobody has heard of Tony Timpa, but he was killed by Dallas police using a simialr restraint hold. It was white officers on a white suspect---so maybe thats why it wasnt newsworthy to the media---but if you watch the body cam video---they arent mad that the guy---they are actually trying to help him---but they seem to have no clue they are killing him.

Tony Timpa called the police for himself. He was off his meds and knew he needed help.

A security guard had already cuffed him AND zip-tied his legs. He was completely restrained before the police even arrived.

During the time they suffocated him to death, they constantly mocked him.

The charges against those officers were dropped.

They made fun of him some---but there was clearly no animosity or anger. Like you said---there was never any confrontation with the police as he had already been restrained before they got there. They told him multiple times they were tyring to get him some help. Best I can tell they were afraid he might injure himself. Its clear they had no clue they were actually killing him. It looks more like stupidity than brutality.

(06-05-2020 11:23 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 10:07 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:58 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  This will fail.

I sure hope you're right but they sound pretty serious about it.

I have very liberal family members who live in MN and they will vote no to eliminating a police force. I think this is a case of posturing politicians purporting some kind of solution and a very loud vocal minority proclaiming it to be what's needed.

Is policing/prison reform in some capacity needed? Absolutely. But eliminating the force entirely? Wtf?

What are some viable thoughts on police reforms?

As far as prison reform goes, here are my thoughts:

Mandatory capital punishment for murderers and rapists. This will free up capacity.

Mandatory prison time for all other criminal offenses.
If maximum time is not rendered then sentencing judge or granting parole board members become accountable & responsible for that criminal's future criminal actions once released. Judge/Parole Board members will get prison time based on a percentage of the sentence for the new crimes.


Robber who killed 80-year-old at Houston Walgreens store was out of jail on two felony PR bonds
8:45 AM CDT May 19, 2020

Quote:HOUSTON — A career criminal who had been arrested nearly 70 times has been identified as the man who stabbed a woman shortly before being shot to death by a Houston police officer last weekend.

Randy Roszell Lewis, 38, allegedly stabbed an 80-year-old woman in the chest at a southwest Houston Walgreens shortly before he was shot and killed by a responding officer.

Quote:An officer was flagged down at the Walgreens and confronted Lewis, who police said had a 6-inch blade. When the suspect did not comply with the officer's commands, the officer shot him twice.

Quote:Lewis who attacked Rosalie was out on two felony PR bonds and has an extensive criminal history. He has been arrested nearly 70 times, according to the Houston Police Officers' Union.

Quote:Acevedo echoed his frustration at the murder scene, criticizing bail reform and criminal justice reform in Houston. He said it's "a complete disaster."

By the way, here's the results of "reform".

Quote:n a statement, a spokesperson for the District Attorney’s Office agreed, but pointed blame to the judge on the case:

“The defendant had a history of mental illness and he should have been kept off the streets. He recently absconded from the personal-care facility where the judge ordered he live instead of being held in jail. The judge had not issued a warrant for his arrest even when he had absconded, so police did not even know to look for him and unfortunately this tragedy occurred before he could be returned to court.”

Here's an example of a judge who failed/neglected to protect the public.

What would Lewis have been charged with? First degree murder? Second degree murder? What max prison term would that carry? Let's say 25 years.

The judge at fault should have to serve 10% of that term, 2.5 years. But since Lewis has a lengthy criminal history that percentage should be bumped up to 25%, 6.25 years.

Viable police reforms? More training, more consistency in that training, and a higher chain of command would be three things I'd hit at.

As far as training: Right now in NC, while you can be sworn in after 4 months of training, you couldn't be a licensed barber until after 2 years. The training after that is solely dependent on the individual dept.

(06-05-2020 12:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I wonder what the rest of the state thinks?

I've long believed that MN is going to be the surprise state of 2020. Without the 3rd party spoiler of Mcmuffin Trump may very well have won MN in 2016.

How will this play out?

If the riots calm down, the economy continues this V-shaped recovery, we don’t see a second coivd spike, and if biden is forced to come out of the basement and debate (all pretty likely), then it’s certainly possible.

I would also think that 18 complaints is a lot too many complaints to still be on the street.

(06-05-2020 12:05 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I wonder what the rest of the state thinks?

I've long believed that MN is going to be the surprise state of 2020. Without the 3rd party spoiler of Mcmuffin Trump may very well have won MN in 2016.

How will this play out?

If the riots calm down, the economy continues this V-shaped recovery, we don’t see a second coivd spike, and if biden is forced to come out of the basement and debate (all pretty likely), then it’s certainly possible.

I have a liberal co-worker that says Trump is scared to debate Joe. Joe would mop the floor with him. I said friendly wager, wanna bet lunch.

Then he looks and said, I'm not buying you a lunch.

(06-05-2020 12:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:05 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I wonder what the rest of the state thinks?

I've long believed that MN is going to be the surprise state of 2020. Without the 3rd party spoiler of Mcmuffin Trump may very well have won MN in 2016.

How will this play out?

If the riots calm down, the economy continues this V-shaped recovery, we don’t see a second coivd spike, and if biden is forced to come out of the basement and debate (all pretty likely), then it’s certainly possible.

I have a liberal co-worker that says Trump is scared to debate Joe. Joe would mop the floor with him. I said friendly wager, wanna bet lunch.

Then he looks and said, I'm not buying you a lunch.

LOL!

Quote:Jeremiah Ellison, a Minneapolis city councilman and son of state Attorney General Keith Ellison, is calling for the "dismantling" of the Minneapolis Police Department following days of nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd -- and he soon got the support of the City Council's president.

"We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department," Jeremiah Ellison tweeted Thursday.

"And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."

City Council President Lisa Bender, a fellow Democrat, later replied, "Yes. We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety."

It's not clear how they would "dismantle" the police department; the lawmakers did not elaborate.

Floyd died May 25 while in police custody during an arrest. A video of a Minneapolis police officer kneeling on his neck for nearly nine minutes has unleashed calls to address criminal justice reform and police brutality, as well as civil unrest, in several cities across the country.

Many protesters have also called for lawmakers to stop increasing funds to police departments and enact legislation to hold officers accountable.

Jeremiah Ellison posted his remarks in response to a user asking if any elected officials were brave enough to take on the police in their city or state. Days after Floyd's death, he tweeted in support of Antifa, an anti-fascist movement comprised of loose-knit groups that have drawn criticism for physical violence against far-right supporters and figures.

"I hereby declare, officially, my support for ANTIFA," Jeremiah Ellison tweeted May 31. "Unless someone can prove to me ANTIFA is behind the burning of black and immigrant-owned businesses in my ward, I’ll keep focusing on stopping the white power terrorist THE ARE ACTUALLY ATTACKING US!"

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They think riots will bend people to their will to defund the police. They are insane, it shows more than ever why they are needed.

(06-05-2020 09:34 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  How can libs be this stupid? What do they think will happen without police. They'll be screaming loudly when criminals take over their city.

It's just part of the agenda to Socialism/Communism. You reduce the Police and then TRY to take away the guns for everyone. Where are the people with any common sense in all this? Will they just sit on their hands and cower and let these idiots ruin your city because of "ah feelings"?

I tell you these people have Satan very much in their lives. Remember he is the prince of liars and hate.

(06-05-2020 12:12 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Jeremiah Ellison, a Minneapolis city councilman and son of state Attorney General Keith Ellison, is calling for the "dismantling" of the Minneapolis Police Department following days of nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd -- and he soon got the support of the City Council's president.

"We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department," Jeremiah Ellison tweeted Thursday.

"And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."

City Council President Lisa Bender, a fellow Democrat, later replied, "Yes. We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety."

It's not clear how they would "dismantle" the police department; the lawmakers did not elaborate.

Floyd died May 25 while in police custody during an arrest. A video of a Minneapolis police officer kneeling on his neck for nearly nine minutes has unleashed calls to address criminal justice reform and police brutality, as well as civil unrest, in several cities across the country.

Many protesters have also called for lawmakers to stop increasing funds to police departments and enact legislation to hold officers accountable.

Jeremiah Ellison posted his remarks in response to a user asking if any elected officials were brave enough to take on the police in their city or state. Days after Floyd's death, he tweeted in support of Antifa, an anti-fascist movement comprised of loose-knit groups that have drawn criticism for physical violence against far-right supporters and figures.

"I hereby declare, officially, my support for ANTIFA," Jeremiah Ellison tweeted May 31. "Unless someone can prove to me ANTIFA is behind the burning of black and immigrant-owned businesses in my ward, I’ll keep focusing on stopping the white power terrorist THE ARE ACTUALLY ATTACKING US!"

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They think riots will bend people to their will to defund the police. They are insane, it shows more than ever why they are needed.

lol...so they are going to send in unarmed social workers to defuse violent situations. Two observations.

1) Wife beaters paradise. Social services cant even keep abusive parents from killing kids. You think they are going to walk into a domestic dispute and not get their but kicked? Wives in domestic abuse situations face a bleak future in Minneapolis.

2) What do you think the turnover will be among low paid social service employees that are being asked to enter violent situations unarmed? There will always be lots of open employment opportunities in social services I suspect.

(06-05-2020 12:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I would also think that 18 complaints is a lot too many complaints to still be on the street.

Thanks Minneapolis Police Union!

I for one would like to congratulate the the Libertarian Party for its forthcoming position as the primary opposition to the Republican Party. Perhaps now we can have legitimate and productive debate on the size and scope of government.

R.I.P. Democrat Party 1828-2020 - you lasted 152 year longer than you deserved.

(06-05-2020 09:56 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  This will fail.

I agree. All these yahoos claiming to defund/dismantle police departments will be the FIRST to complain when they need police interaction and NO ONE shows up.

I don't care what you do to change the MPD or any other...There will still be the occasional fck up. Why? Because officers are human beings and flawed just like everyone else. There are crappy doctors, lawyers, bricklayers, truck drivers, teachers...ect..ect..ect. You can not remove the human element from policing any occupation and you can mark it down...THERE WILL BE MORE KILLINGS AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE. What is retarded is to go out and burn down businesses because of it. Let the criminal justice system handle it and move the fck on.