Also, I am extremely suspicious of this "moving the budget from cops to "community services" narrative" because I've seen for years, libs tend to leave the wording vague enough that this is nothing more than a cash grab for their buddies.

(06-08-2020 03:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So they are simply postering

Maybe...maybe not. The city could simply change what it defines as a "police officer". Heck---they could mandate that officers not carry guns like British peace officers. Im sure there are lots of ways to institute something very close to the elimination of the police department as we currently define it if a City Council puts its mind to it. That said, if the description of the City Charter requirements is accurate, I expect that any attempt to significantly erode the traditional powers and strength of the current police department will likely meet with a court challenge.

(06-08-2020 03:50 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Also, I am extremely suspicious of this "moving the budget from cops to "community services" narrative" because I've seen for years, libs tend to leave the wording vague enough that this is nothing more than a cash grab for their buddies.

Midnight basketball.....

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Apparently, when asked who citizens are supposed to call when their home is being broken into, one council member told a news outlet that people need understand that calling the police just results in "more harm". Another, when asked the same question about who the citizens are supposed to call when in imminent danger said "I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know from myself too, that comes from a place of privilege".

lol...I guess Im just out of touch because this all just sound insane to me. I always thought people in the mid west flyover states were blessed with common sense. Well, maybe not.

Yep.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneap...me-victims

Quote:"Do you understand that the word, dismantle, or police-free also makes some people nervous, for instance?" Camerota asked. "What if in the middle of [the] night, my home is broken into? Who do I call?"

"I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors," Bender said. "And I know -- and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege. Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done."

Leftism is a mental disorder.

Minneapolis will be a no-go zone within 6 months. Just hope it doesn't then bleed over into St. Paul.

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

Sloe: Just get yourself a shotgun, Man! Open the screen, errrr, patio door and fire off a couple shots, that'll scare em off!

Always with the good ideas and sound reasoning with these people. Be damn funny if it weren't deadly serious.

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Apparently, when asked who citizens are supposed to call when their home is being broken into, one council member told a news outlet that people need understand that calling the police just results in "more harm". Another, when asked the same question about who the citizens are supposed to call when in imminent danger said "I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know from myself too, that comes from a place of privilege".

lol...I guess Im just out of touch because this all just sound insane to me. I always thought people in the mid west flyover states were blessed with common sense. Well, maybe not.

Yep.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneap...me-victims

Quote:"Do you understand that the word, dismantle, or police-free also makes some people nervous, for instance?" Camerota asked. "What if in the middle of [the] night, my home is broken into? Who do I call?"

"I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors," Bender said. "And I know -- and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege. Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done."

Leftism is a mental disorder.

(06-08-2020 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:59 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Well, Minnesota is a one party state and you know which party it is. So, nuttiness is pretty much a prerequisite.

The pendulum of the Left always swings to the insane and when it does it gives the pendulum of the right the push it needs until it reaches the apex of overreaction. Then it starts to swing left again. I'd say we are definitely into the insane zone now. So, it won't be long until it starts swinging right. We need to remember that our goal is to stop it at balance and try to keep it there. If it moves too far right it will head left again.

I agree. The problem is that the progs have moved that party so far left that even a centrist proposal looks far right to them.

(06-08-2020 04:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Apparently, when asked who citizens are supposed to call when their home is being broken into, one council member told a news outlet that people need understand that calling the police just results in "more harm". Another, when asked the same question about who the citizens are supposed to call when in imminent danger said "I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know from myself too, that comes from a place of privilege".

lol...I guess Im just out of touch because this all just sound insane to me. I always thought people in the mid west flyover states were blessed with common sense. Well, maybe not.

Yep.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneap...me-victims

Quote:"Do you understand that the word, dismantle, or police-free also makes some people nervous, for instance?" Camerota asked. "What if in the middle of [the] night, my home is broken into? Who do I call?"

"I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors," Bender said. "And I know -- and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege. Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done."

Leftism is a mental disorder.

Minneapolis will be a no-go zone within 6 months. Just hope it doesn't then bleed over into St. Paul.

Be a nice contrast. Very much twin cities.

(06-08-2020 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 04:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Apparently, when asked who citizens are supposed to call when their home is being broken into, one council member told a news outlet that people need understand that calling the police just results in "more harm". Another, when asked the same question about who the citizens are supposed to call when in imminent danger said "I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know from myself too, that comes from a place of privilege".

lol...I guess Im just out of touch because this all just sound insane to me. I always thought people in the mid west flyover states were blessed with common sense. Well, maybe not.

Yep.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneap...me-victims

Quote:"Do you understand that the word, dismantle, or police-free also makes some people nervous, for instance?" Camerota asked. "What if in the middle of [the] night, my home is broken into? Who do I call?"

"I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors," Bender said. "And I know -- and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege. Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done."

Leftism is a mental disorder.

Minneapolis will be a no-go zone within 6 months. Just hope it doesn't then bleed over into St. Paul.

Be a nice contrast. Very much twin cities.

It's going to wind up being a carbon copy of East & West Chicago.

Without police Minneapolis may be able to top 18 murders in one weekend giving Chicago's new record a run for the money.

(06-08-2020 03:48 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Apparently, when asked who citizens are supposed to call when their home is being broken into, one council member told a news outlet that people need understand that calling the police just results in "more harm". Another, when asked the same question about who the citizens are supposed to call when in imminent danger said "I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know from myself too, that comes from a place of privilege".

lol...I guess Im just out of touch because this all just sound insane to me. I always thought people in the mid west flyover states were blessed with common sense. Well, maybe not.

Definition of a conservative: A liberal who's been mugged.

Tell ya what though, it'll be a fascinating social science experiment. Ill-advised, dumb and grossly counterproductive for that city and their residents, but fascinating.

I’m with you, fascinating experiment. We can say that because we don’t live there, I’d be nervous as hell if I lived in Minny.

Sounds like it may be no more that political posturing given the requirements of the charter.....

(06-05-2020 09:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good. Look at local budgets around the country and every other line item gets slashed across the board while police spending continues to rise like crazy. I know this opinion won't be popular on here but oh well. I'm starting to change my opinion on guns, and seeing a whole lot of leftist saying the exact same things, but not to protect ourselves from criminals but from the military police.

If this indeed happens, you best change your opinion on guns. You will need one.

I'm looking to buy several guns this week...I've had it with all this talk of "Defund the Police" and the potential threat to the 2nd amendment by the increasingly idiotic Liberal dolts.

I applied for pistol permit a week ago. Waiting for them to process it, before I go buy a pistol. Think I want a less popular AR than a 15, so I don’t have to worry about there being a shortage of ammo being sold during any crisis. Don’t know much about guns. But, when threats start floating around in Birmingham that they were gonna start looting suburban neighborhoods, I felt defenseless. So, over the next month, I’ll be purchasing a couple and become more educated on them.

(06-08-2020 10:30 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  I applied for pistol permit a week ago. Waiting for them to process it, before I go buy a pistol. Think I want a less popular AR than a 15, so I don’t have to worry about there being a shortage of ammo being sold during any crisis. Don’t know much about guns. But, when threats start floating around in Birmingham that they were gonna start looting suburban neighborhoods, I felt defenseless. So, over the next month, I’ll be purchasing a couple and become more educated on them.

You don't have to have a permit to own a handgun. It's good if you decide to conceal carry, but not a requirement to own and keep in your house.

Less popular AR than a 15? I'm not sure what you're saying. You saying you want a AR-15 or do you want something similar?

If you don't know much about guns, my suggestion is to buy a simple revolver first and get used to it. Instead of the AR route, buy a pump shotgun. A 12 gauge with buck shot will protect you just as well as a AR, plus the cocking sound of a pump is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world.

(06-05-2020 09:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good. Look at local budgets around the country and every other line item gets slashed across the board while police spending continues to rise like crazy. I know this opinion won't be popular on here but oh well. I'm starting to change my opinion on guns, and seeing a whole lot of leftist saying the exact same things, but not to protect ourselves from criminals but from the military police.

I assure you you that it is better to run the potential risk of bad police than deal with the certainty of no police in major metros. Do you think this won't bleed over into fire/rescue if they don't have law enforcement backup?

(06-08-2020 10:30 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  I applied for pistol permit a week ago. Waiting for them to process it, before I go buy a pistol. Think I want a less popular AR than a 15, so I don’t have to worry about there being a shortage of ammo being sold during any crisis. Don’t know much about guns. But, when threats start floating around in Birmingham that they were gonna start looting suburban neighborhoods, I felt defenseless. So, over the next month, I’ll be purchasing a couple and become more educated on them.

Well, well, like I said above. But seems this is a budding conservative not waiting to get mugged. Bully to you!

(06-09-2020 07:11 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 09:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good. Look at local budgets around the country and every other line item gets slashed across the board while police spending continues to rise like crazy. I know this opinion won't be popular on here but oh well. I'm starting to change my opinion on guns, and seeing a whole lot of leftist saying the exact same things, but not to protect ourselves from criminals but from the military police.

I assure you you that it is better to run the potential risk of bad police than deal with the certainty of no police in major metros. Do you think this won't bleed over into fire/rescue if they don't have law enforcement backup?

Not a chance. They’ll send in the social workers instead. I mean, domestic violence is just a lil spat, right?

I'm not sure why people tell new gun people to buy a revolver. Don't. Get a pistol, learn how to use it. An AR-15 is also your best bet, just stock up on ammo when it's available, and get some army surplus ammo boxes to store it in. It will stay good for many years that way (if you buy sealed cans it will last for decades). Don't just leave it out.

Whatever you get PRACTICE with it. Practice a lot. Get training. If you don't know what you're doing you might as well have a hammer in your hand.

In the event of a SHTF situation, your best bet (IMO) is an AR-15 and a Glock. Standard issue police and military that you can get parts and ammo for at any abandoned police precincts or military installations (and many abandoned homes for that matter).

(06-09-2020 07:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not sure why people tell new gun people to buy a revolver. Don't. Get a pistol, learn how to use it. An AR-15 is also your best bet, just stock up on ammo when it's available, and get some army surplus ammo boxes to store it in. It will stay good for many years that way (if you buy sealed cans it will last for decades). Don't just leave it out.

Whatever you get PRACTICE with it. Practice a lot. Get training. If you don't know what you're doing you might as well have a hammer in your hand.

In the event of a SHTF situation, your best bet (IMO) is an AR-15 and a Glock. Standard issue police and military that you can get parts and ammo for at any abandoned police precincts or military installations (and many abandoned homes for that matter).

I can tell you why.

Easier to load and shoot. When I shot my first 45 the slide caught my hand, never had it with a revolver. But you're right practice is key.

Also the suggestion with the shotgun is because as a new shooter, aim doesn't have to be perfect, plus shot guns are cheaper. If a burglar comes into your house and the option is a AR 15 or a shotgun, what would be the better option, in my mind the shotgun.

That's just my advice.

(06-09-2020 07:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 07:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not sure why people tell new gun people to buy a revolver. Don't. Get a pistol, learn how to use it. An AR-15 is also your best bet, just stock up on ammo when it's available, and get some army surplus ammo boxes to store it in. It will stay good for many years that way (if you buy sealed cans it will last for decades). Don't just leave it out.

Whatever you get PRACTICE with it. Practice a lot. Get training. If you don't know what you're doing you might as well have a hammer in your hand.

In the event of a SHTF situation, your best bet (IMO) is an AR-15 and a Glock. Standard issue police and military that you can get parts and ammo for at any abandoned police precincts or military installations (and many abandoned homes for that matter).

I can tell you why.

Easier to load and shoot. When I shot my first 45 the slide caught my hand, never had it with a revolver. But you're right practice is key.

Also the suggestion with the shotgun is because as a new shooter, aim doesn't have to be perfect, plus shot guns are cheaper. If a burglar comes into your house and the option is a AR 15 or a shotgun, what would be the better option, in my mind the shotgun.

That's just my advice.

I agree with the shotgun, but no one should start with a 45. Most people deride my handgun as trash but I'm still rocking my 9mm Beretta. Rounds are cheap, the kick is light and you have plenty of rounds per mag.

(06-09-2020 07:57 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 07:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-09-2020 07:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not sure why people tell new gun people to buy a revolver. Don't. Get a pistol, learn how to use it. An AR-15 is also your best bet, just stock up on ammo when it's available, and get some army surplus ammo boxes to store it in. It will stay good for many years that way (if you buy sealed cans it will last for decades). Don't just leave it out.

Whatever you get PRACTICE with it. Practice a lot. Get training. If you don't know what you're doing you might as well have a hammer in your hand.

In the event of a SHTF situation, your best bet (IMO) is an AR-15 and a Glock. Standard issue police and military that you can get parts and ammo for at any abandoned police precincts or military installations (and many abandoned homes for that matter).

I can tell you why.

Easier to load and shoot. When I shot my first 45 the slide caught my hand, never had it with a revolver. But you're right practice is key.

Also the suggestion with the shotgun is because as a new shooter, aim doesn't have to be perfect, plus shot guns are cheaper. If a burglar comes into your house and the option is a AR 15 or a shotgun, what would be the better option, in my mind the shotgun.

That's just my advice.

I agree with the shotgun, but no one should start with a 45. Most people deride my handgun as trash but I'm still rocking my 9mm Beretta. Rounds are cheap, the kick is light and you have plenty of rounds per mag.

Exactly. My first pistol to shoot was a .22 revolver.