(03-04-2020 02:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

It is crazy just how much land mass is red versus blue.

- When you look at it more carefully the State of NY is driven politically by 15% of the area.
- Mass & Vermont are the only completely blue states.
- California, CT, RI, and New Mexico are the only other states where a majority of land mass is democrat.

(03-05-2020 12:54 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 02:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

It is crazy just how much land mass is red versus blue.

- When you look at it more carefully the State of NY is driven politically by 15% of the area.
- Mass & Vermont are the only completely blue states.
- California, CT, RI, and New Mexico are the only other states where a majority of land mass is democrat.

Its crazy how red NY is outside of NYC

(03-05-2020 12:08 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Bueller?

It's a talking point. Did you really expect a reply???

(03-05-2020 01:03 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:08 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Bueller?

It's a talking point. Did you really expect a reply???

But Trump supporters are a cult.

(03-05-2020 01:03 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:08 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Bueller?

It's a talking point. Did you really expect a reply???

No, I didn't. Just wanted to highlight the fact that he threw out an empty statement and then refused to back it up. Didn't think it was okay to just let that one slip by.

(03-05-2020 01:30 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:03 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:08 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Bueller?

It's a talking point. Did you really expect a reply???

No, I didn't. Just wanted to highlight the fact that he threw out an empty statement and then refused to back it up. Didn't think it was okay to just let that one slip by.

SOP for talking points. I never expect them to put much independent thought behind anything. That's why I never expect a reply when they are actually asked to reply. They've moved on to see what the next talking point will be by then.

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Trump ending SNAP benefits for the poor:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-trying...tamp-rules

Trump canceling DACA:
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/546423550...ess-to-act

Cutting funding for public housing:
https://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520467050...vulnerable

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Trump administration’s own analyses indicate many of its new regulations will hurt vulnerable Americans

(03-05-2020 01:30 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  No, I didn't. Just wanted to highlight the fact that he threw out an empty statement and then refused to back it up. Didn't think it was okay to just let that one slip by.

Since you're so concerned with calling out empty statements and talking points, I'm surprised you missed this one...

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

And when Marc asked which studies he was referring to....

(03-04-2020 02:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

Which studies?

*Crickets*

You gonna call EverRespect out too?

How about you, gdunn?

Give your balls a tug.

P.S. Haven't watched Chris Matthews in over half a decade. I don't have cable.

(03-05-2020 02:14 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Trump ending SNAP benefits for the poor:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-trying...tamp-rules

Trump canceling DACA:
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/546423550...ess-to-act

Cutting funding for public housing:
https://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520467050...vulnerable

~~~~~~

Trump administration’s own analyses indicate many of its new regulations will hurt vulnerable Americans

Lets just start with the first one.

"Beginning April 1, every able-bodied adult between the ages of 18-49 who does not have a dependent will have to work at least 20 hours a week in order to keep their SNAP benefits; otherwise, those benefits will be capped at three months within a 36-month period. People with a proven disability, children and the elderly will not be impacted.

These restrictions have already existed since 1996, but under the new rule states can no longer ask the federal government to temporarily waive the restrictions unless it’s for an area with an unemployment rate of 10% or higher or if the state can otherwise prove a lack of sufficient jobs.

Those who cannot find 20 hours of paid work per week also have the option to participate 20 hours per week in a local, state or federal work program, such as a SNAP Employment and Training program. Such programs vary state-by-state, but can help a participant gain work experience and keep their benefits in exchange for a certain amount of hours worked per week. Adults in this category can also combine paid work hours with a government work program in order to meet the requirements for SNAP benefits."


SO all you have to do as an able bodied working age person is get a part time job or go to GOVERNMENT PROVIDED AND FUNDED training program to get job skills. This is bad why? Our unemployment rate is as low as it has ever been. We just keep people on SNAP forever when there are jobs to be had? How does that make sense.


"Brandon Lipps, deputy undersecretary for the USDA's Food Nutrition and Consumer Services, said the change would save roughly $5.5 billion over five years. He said the department estimates that 74% of the "work-eligible adults" without dependents are not working."

(03-05-2020 02:14 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Trump ending SNAP benefits for the poor:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-trying...tamp-rules

Trump canceling DACA:
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/546423550...ess-to-act

Cutting funding for public housing:
https://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520467050...vulnerable

~~~~~~

Trump administration’s own analyses indicate many of its new regulations will hurt vulnerable Americans

You want to see housing costs plummet deport the illegals. Clinton had work requirements for SNAP. Nothing wrong with that. DACA, GTFO.

(03-05-2020 02:14 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:49 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 11:19 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

What policies are you referring to here? Please cite.

Trump ending SNAP benefits for the poor:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-trying...tamp-rules

Trump canceling DACA:
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/546423550...ess-to-act

Cutting funding for public housing:
https://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520467050...vulnerable

~~~~~~

Trump administration’s own analyses indicate many of its new regulations will hurt vulnerable Americans

As I read through the stories you linked, I realized that I was OK with pretty much all of those. Requirements of people before you give them a handout is OK with me. Heck, in one of the articles you linked they have a picture of a guy that paused from playing video games to be interviewed about possibly losing some benefits. The poor I have no issue helping...the lazy...not so much sympathy for them.

(03-05-2020 02:24 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:30 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  No, I didn't. Just wanted to highlight the fact that he threw out an empty statement and then refused to back it up. Didn't think it was okay to just let that one slip by.

Since you're so concerned with calling out empty statements and talking points, I'm surprised you missed this one...

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

And when Marc asked which studies he was referring to....

(03-04-2020 02:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

Which studies?

*Crickets*

You gonna call EverRespect out too?

How about you, gdunn?

Give your balls a tug.

P.S. Haven't watched Chris Matthews in over half a decade. I don't have cable.

You're right - I did miss it. Lots of posts in the thread - didnt see it.

Fair play, Ever - got a response on this one?

(03-04-2020 02:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Y’all sure are sensitive to having more people vote against Trump than vote for him.

Again, the idea of this recently woke group of underemployed, high school educated, middle class white dudes is hilarious, Al Bundy lives!

All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

Which studies?

Bueller??