(03-04-2020 08:43 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  What a depressing night. Dems had all these candidates, big ideas, small ideas, outlandish ideas, sound ideas, future thinking, retroactive....


and we land on this. The milquetoast old white guy with a waning personality, man splainy demeanor, and 2020 gropey hands.

As an outside observer, my impression is it's really worse than that. The top 3 are all old white guys who are more than a little weird. Very odd for the "big tent" party.

My impression is that right now, Dem voters are more interested in finding somebody to beat Trump than they are in any specific issues. Especially since Pelosi and Schumer said they would back any nominee, including the Socialist.

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Y’all sure are sensitive to having more people vote against Trump than vote for him.

Again, the idea of this recently woke group of underemployed, high school educated, middle class white dudes is hilarious, Al Bundy lives!

All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Y’all sure are sensitive to having more people vote against Trump than vote for him.

Again, the idea of this recently woke group of underemployed, high school educated, middle class white dudes is hilarious, Al Bundy lives!

You lost loser. Oh and the average income of Trump voters was higher than Hillary voters. Something else idiot, the blue collar white that you make fun of....Bill Clinton won them by 17 percentage points and now the GOP has flipped that. A few years ago the GOP had 17 point advantage, probably even higher now with Trump.

Enjoy your party of open borders, illegal aliens, and over educated cultural marxists
with 100K in debt and no way to pay it off LOL.

(03-04-2020 01:54 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:22 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:34 PM)appst89 Wrote:  There is no such thing as a popular vote.

That’s understood, yet the idea of this “waking of the wrong mother truckers“ is just silly talk. More people voted for Hillary, and the difference in the election came down to roughly 100k combined votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I can’t believe people actually bring up the popular vote as if it is relevant to anything. If the popular vote is what ultimately decided the election, the campaigns and turnouts would be massively different.

It would be like a losing team complaining after a football game that they had more total yards so they are they better team, despite knowing beforehand that the final score is all that matters.

The reason they cling to it is because, in their minds it reinforces the perception that HRC is who the American people really wanted for POTUS. In reality, it merely states that the people of California and New York are the people that really wanted HRC to be POTUS. For some reason, they want a couple of states to speak for the entire nation. In a common sense way, that is EXACTLY what the EC was designed to avoid and it worked perfectly.

I will also point out that conservatives in Cali and Noo Yewrk have little reason to go to the polls, so they often don't.

Exactly, there’s probably a good number of conservatives in red states that don’t bother going because they know the republican is going to win. And vice versa for Democrats in a california and democrats in red states.

That would all completely change if the popular vote mattered.

My take on this is the DNC is doing their best to slow down the biggest threat to their party. And it isn’t Bernie Sanders. By getting Slow to the nomination they can blunt the upcoming release of investigations and possible indictments coming from Durham-Barr. They can more legitimately claim the hell thats headed their way is politically motivated. They could survive Bernie but they won’t survive their party being proven to be the corrupt cabal they are.

(03-04-2020 09:43 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 06:32 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Biden needs a strong VP candidate and to basically avoid any public speaking for 6 months now. The other interesting thing to watch is will Bernie Sanders actually come after him hard? You wonder if that will happen - they do seem to be buddies from the Senate. I know his crazies will attack him online (and by crazies I don't mean the few folks here on this site who like him - they don't fit into that category - but he's got plenty of true crazies who love him on social media).

One stunning local race last night was the Republican primary for House Seat 22. Troy Nehls (who quit his job as Fort Bend Sheriff to run for the seat) won and avoided a runoff with like 52 percent of the vote. He beat a huge field of bigger names including Kathaleen Wall who has a rich husband and cute last name, but who is now officially the Hillary Clinton of the local Republican Party having proven no one can stand her. Pierce Bush (grandson of George - one of Neil's kids) also was in the teens in terms of votes, but he's young so it's too early to cast off all his future political aspirations. I still think Dems can win that seat in November (they have a strong candidate who won like 60 percent of the primary vote himself), but Nehls is going to be a much tougher candidate than I would have expected).

ETA - whoops totally forgot to look at the other counties for House Seat 22. Once you add in Harris and Brazoria County votes, Nehls and Wall are now in a run-off. Still, Nehls got like 41-42 percent overall and will destroy Wall in a run-off election IMO. My description of Wall doesn't change. She's the lady who got shocked by Dan Crenshaw in 2018 in a House seat on the other side of Houston. Doesn't matter which part of town she runs in, no one really likes her or is impressed by her money or last name.

how about TT vs Sesshee in bammers....that was a nice surprise....

I'm certain JR was still licking the bbg off the fingertips after that one....

lmmfao

LOL, if there was ever any doubt that Trump was still bitter about that, and that he will never endorse Jeff Sessions, that pretty much erases it.

One interesting point about the race between Sessions and Tuberville. Sessions has been running an ad where Tuberville says on audio tape that we should give all the illegal aliens citizenship.

Tuberville ads claim he is with Trump on immigration, but that tape disproves it. I wonder if that will be enough to push Sessions over the top.

Guess we'll find out on March 31, b/c the winner of that runoff will beat Doug Jones and be in the Senate next January.

(03-04-2020 02:06 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:54 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:22 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  That’s understood, yet the idea of this “waking of the wrong mother truckers“ is just silly talk. More people voted for Hillary, and the difference in the election came down to roughly 100k combined votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I can’t believe people actually bring up the popular vote as if it is relevant to anything. If the popular vote is what ultimately decided the election, the campaigns and turnouts would be massively different.

It would be like a losing team complaining after a football game that they had more total yards so they are they better team, despite knowing beforehand that the final score is all that matters.

The reason they cling to it is because, in their minds it reinforces the perception that HRC is who the American people really wanted for POTUS. In reality, it merely states that the people of California and New York are the people that really wanted HRC to be POTUS. For some reason, they want a couple of states to speak for the entire nation. In a common sense way, that is EXACTLY what the EC was designed to avoid and it worked perfectly.

I will also point out that conservatives in Cali and Noo Yewrk have little reason to go to the polls, so they often don't.

Exactly, there’s probably a good number of conservatives in red states that don’t bother going because they know the republican is going to win. And vice versa for Democrats in a california and democrats in red states.

That would all completely change if the popular vote mattered.

The popular vote has never "mattered". Anyway, I would disagree with your statement above...as the blues do a much better job of getting out the vote for their side than the reds. They bus people in, allow illegals and the dead to vote as long as they select blue.

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Y’all sure are sensitive to having more people vote against Trump than vote for him.

Again, the idea of this recently woke group of underemployed, high school educated, middle class white dudes is hilarious, Al Bundy lives!

I don’t care if Trump loses the “popular vote”.If the democrats keep focusing on getting the most votes they can from blue states they’ll continue to lose elections which is fine by me.

This is why the Electoral College exists. Trump won 2,626 counties while Clinton took 487 of them nationwide.

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Where is our resident doe eyed Bernie enthusiast to wax poetic about last night’s results?

Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

Joe won't keep his composure in a debate... AS soon as Trump starts bringing up Joe's accomplishments as a Senator and VP and then compares it to him, Joe will go off the ledge and start rambling about push ups or hairy legs.

(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite ..

This coming from the guy that can't comprehend claiming his 50k miles a year on taxes or to be reimbursed, but allows his boss to, and uses the moniker Mensa.

Buckle up.. It's gonna be fun.

I was right about seniors. In some states, bernie got 6% of the senior vote. SIX. It turns out that threatening to destroy the single, most reliable voting demographic's health care isn't a viable electoral strategy.

I await your apology, bonds.

(03-04-2020 02:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  LOL, if there was ever any doubt that Trump was still bitter about that, and that he will never endorse Jeff Sessions, that pretty much erases it.

One interesting point about the race between Sessions and Tuberville. Sessions has been running an ad where Tuberville says on audio tape that we should give all the illegal aliens citizenship.

Tuberville ads claim he is with Trump on immigration, but that tape disproves it. I wonder if that will be enough to push Sessions over the top.

Guess we'll find out on March 31, b/c the winner of that runoff will beat Doug Jones and be in the Senate next January.

I saw Roy Moore only got ~7% of the vote.

Knowing Roy, I'm sure he would have preferred to finish in the teens.

(03-04-2020 02:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This is why the Electoral College exists. Trump won 2,626 counties while Clinton took 487 of them nationwide.

Land doesn't vote. People do.

Which is why the electoral is important.. I don't want people in NY and Cali dictating policy for me.. Hell they can't even figure out straws.

(03-04-2020 02:27 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Land doesn't vote. People do.

Serious question: Have you ever taken a Civics class?

Bernie is proud that he's running a campaign taking on the American economy and he and his followers can't figure out why they aren't winning. It's truly amazing.

(03-04-2020 01:54 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:22 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:10 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 12:34 PM)appst89 Wrote:  There is no such thing as a popular vote.

That’s understood, yet the idea of this “waking of the wrong mother truckers“ is just silly talk. More people voted for Hillary, and the difference in the election came down to roughly 100k combined votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I can’t believe people actually bring up the popular vote as if it is relevant to anything. If the popular vote is what ultimately decided the election, the campaigns and turnouts would be massively different.

It would be like a losing team complaining after a football game that they had more total yards so they are they better team, despite knowing beforehand that the final score is all that matters.

The reason they cling to it is because, in their minds it reinforces the perception that HRC is who the American people really wanted for POTUS. In reality, it merely states that the people of California and New York are the people that really wanted HRC to be POTUS. For some reason, they want a couple of states to speak for the entire nation. In a common sense way, that is EXACTLY what the EC was designed to avoid and it worked perfectly.

I will also point out that conservatives in Cali and Noo Yewrk have little reason to go to the polls, so they often don't.

which is easily a great point that's rarely mentioned....

(03-04-2020 02:31 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 02:27 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Land doesn't vote. People do.

Serious question: Have you ever taken a Civics class?

Yes.

(03-04-2020 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 01:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Y’all sure are sensitive to having more people vote against Trump than vote for him.

Again, the idea of this recently woke group of underemployed, high school educated, middle class white dudes is hilarious, Al Bundy lives!

All the studies say that if you take out the illegal vote, Trump actually won the popular vote. That is precisely why we have the electoral college.

Which studies?