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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:22 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Let's say the NFL goes to a 17 game schedule with 2 byes. The current 2020 schedule has Week 17 on Sun. Jan. 3. Week 18's Sunday would be Sun. Jan. 10. If the NFL wants a MNF game in Week 18, that would be the same day as the current college football national championship. If the NFL said to college football we want to play on MNF in Week 18 but we're willing to let you have the Saturday night that weekend for the college football national championship, would that be better for college football?

NFL doesn't play MNF games final week of the season.

If there are two byes, Week 18 would be the second to last week since there would be 19 weeks.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 01:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The pushback of the NFL season means that 1 or 2 Saturdays that are at least one week after New Year's Day will be open for the CFP semifinals without NFL conflicts (as the Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in the month). The proposed expanded NFL schedule would actually be perfect for setting up a "January Madness" for the CFP.

The Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in January if the Super Bowl is pushed back to late February -- but there is nothing preventing the NFL from playing regular season games on Saturdays in January. Based on recent NFL scheduling, the only late-season Saturday that is almost certain to be free of NFL games is the one on the last weekend of the regular season, because the NFL now wants all last week games on Sunday.

don't think it'll be moved to late February.

take the 2019 season-
Last Sunday for NFL- 1/12
Wild Card weekend 1/18-19
Divisional round 1/25-26
Conf. Championship games 2/2
Super Bowl 2/16

Would expect the 1/5 weekend to be pretty much normal, with a Thursday night game on 1/2, and then quite possibly Saturday games on the 4th.

The only Saturday in January with no NFL would be 1/11.

We are probably stuck with the current 4-team CFP through 2025-26.

For 2026-27, assume the NFL's week 1 Sunday continues to be the Sunday after Labor Day. The 19th and last Sunday of their regular season would be Jan. 17, 2027. Playoff Sundays would be Jan. 24, Jan. 31, and Feb. 7. The Super Bowl would be on Feb. 21.

The NFL would have no games on Sat. Jan. 16; that could be the date for CFP semifinals. The final would likely be played on a weeknight, Mon. Jan. 25 or later that week. Both of those dates would be difficult for ticket sales, especially if fans already traveled to a bowl game/quarterfinal on Jan. 1.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 05:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 01:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The pushback of the NFL season means that 1 or 2 Saturdays that are at least one week after New Year's Day will be open for the CFP semifinals without NFL conflicts (as the Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in the month). The proposed expanded NFL schedule would actually be perfect for setting up a "January Madness" for the CFP.

The Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in January if the Super Bowl is pushed back to late February -- but there is nothing preventing the NFL from playing regular season games on Saturdays in January. Based on recent NFL scheduling, the only late-season Saturday that is almost certain to be free of NFL games is the one on the last weekend of the regular season, because the NFL now wants all last week games on Sunday.

don't think it'll be moved to late February.

take the 2019 season-
Last Sunday for NFL- 1/12
Wild Card weekend 1/18-19
Divisional round 1/25-26
Conf. Championship games 2/2
Super Bowl 2/16

Would expect the 1/5 weekend to be pretty much normal, with a Thursday night game on 1/2, and then quite possibly Saturday games on the 4th.

The only Saturday in January with no NFL would be 1/11.

We are probably stuck with the current 4-team CFP through 2025-26.

For 2026-27, assume the NFL's week 1 Sunday continues to be the Sunday after Labor Day. The 19th and last Sunday of their regular season would be Jan. 17, 2027. Playoff Sundays would be Jan. 24, Jan. 31, and Feb. 7. The Super Bowl would be on Feb. 21.

The NFL would have no games on Sat. Jan. 16; that could be the date for CFP semifinals. The final would likely be played on a weeknight, Mon. Jan. 25 or later that week. Both of those dates would be difficult for ticket sales, especially if fans already traveled to a bowl game/quarterfinal on Jan. 1.

I just think there's no chance that college football would agree to go until Jan 25.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 05:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 05:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 01:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The pushback of the NFL season means that 1 or 2 Saturdays that are at least one week after New Year's Day will be open for the CFP semifinals without NFL conflicts (as the Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in the month). The proposed expanded NFL schedule would actually be perfect for setting up a "January Madness" for the CFP.

The Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in January if the Super Bowl is pushed back to late February -- but there is nothing preventing the NFL from playing regular season games on Saturdays in January. Based on recent NFL scheduling, the only late-season Saturday that is almost certain to be free of NFL games is the one on the last weekend of the regular season, because the NFL now wants all last week games on Sunday.

don't think it'll be moved to late February.

take the 2019 season-
Last Sunday for NFL- 1/12
Wild Card weekend 1/18-19
Divisional round 1/25-26
Conf. Championship games 2/2
Super Bowl 2/16

Would expect the 1/5 weekend to be pretty much normal, with a Thursday night game on 1/2, and then quite possibly Saturday games on the 4th.

The only Saturday in January with no NFL would be 1/11.

We are probably stuck with the current 4-team CFP through 2025-26.

For 2026-27, assume the NFL's week 1 Sunday continues to be the Sunday after Labor Day. The 19th and last Sunday of their regular season would be Jan. 17, 2027. Playoff Sundays would be Jan. 24, Jan. 31, and Feb. 7. The Super Bowl would be on Feb. 21.

The NFL would have no games on Sat. Jan. 16; that could be the date for CFP semifinals. The final would likely be played on a weeknight, Mon. Jan. 25 or later that week. Both of those dates would be difficult for ticket sales, especially if fans already traveled to a bowl game/quarterfinal on Jan. 1.

I just think there's no chance that college football would agree to go until Jan 25.

They would pretty much have to do that, if they want to have an 8-team playoff and still let the bowl games leech off of the playoff and host quarterfinals on Jan. 1.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 05:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 05:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 01:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The pushback of the NFL season means that 1 or 2 Saturdays that are at least one week after New Year's Day will be open for the CFP semifinals without NFL conflicts (as the Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in the month). The proposed expanded NFL schedule would actually be perfect for setting up a "January Madness" for the CFP.

The Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in January if the Super Bowl is pushed back to late February -- but there is nothing preventing the NFL from playing regular season games on Saturdays in January. Based on recent NFL scheduling, the only late-season Saturday that is almost certain to be free of NFL games is the one on the last weekend of the regular season, because the NFL now wants all last week games on Sunday.

don't think it'll be moved to late February.

take the 2019 season-
Last Sunday for NFL- 1/12
Wild Card weekend 1/18-19
Divisional round 1/25-26
Conf. Championship games 2/2
Super Bowl 2/16

Would expect the 1/5 weekend to be pretty much normal, with a Thursday night game on 1/2, and then quite possibly Saturday games on the 4th.

The only Saturday in January with no NFL would be 1/11.

We are probably stuck with the current 4-team CFP through 2025-26.

For 2026-27, assume the NFL's week 1 Sunday continues to be the Sunday after Labor Day. The 19th and last Sunday of their regular season would be Jan. 17, 2027. Playoff Sundays would be Jan. 24, Jan. 31, and Feb. 7. The Super Bowl would be on Feb. 21.

The NFL would have no games on Sat. Jan. 16; that could be the date for CFP semifinals. The final would likely be played on a weeknight, Mon. Jan. 25 or later that week. Both of those dates would be difficult for ticket sales, especially if fans already traveled to a bowl game/quarterfinal on Jan. 1.

I just think there's no chance that college football would agree to go until Jan 25.

But keep in mind it's only 2 teams that they are asking to play until Jan 25. But then again it does push back things like the senior bowl, declaring for NFL draft, etc.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-20-2020 12:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 06:56 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  With 14 team playoff and possibly extending the season to move later into February, there will simply be NO ROOM for semifinal games on weekends after New Years. You would have to play them Thursday and Friday.

So say goodbye to the 8 team playoff unless they play the first round Christmas week or the week prior, setting up the semis as currently constituted.

That's not true at all. The pushback of the NFL season means that 1 or 2 Saturdays that are at least one week after New Year's Day will be open for the CFP semifinals without NFL conflicts (as the Saturday NFL playoff games will be later in the month). The proposed expanded NFL schedule would actually be perfect for setting up a "January Madness" for the CFP.

Once again: TV, TV, TV. I'll repeat again: TV, TV, TV.

College football playoff games are MUCH more valuable in January than they are in December (especially around Christmas) for maximizing TV revenue. I can't emphasize that enough (and I think too many fans are ignoring that obvious point). If/when the CFP expands to 8 teams, it's not about the traveling fans, shortening the schedule or any other consideration other than TV, TV, TV.

I hate agreeing with this post. ESPiN owns the playoffs and will have the NFL in their package.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
For the Week 19 Saturday (assuming two byes which is 50/50) you couldn't take the traditional Bowl setups. Rose and Sugar would be locked as annual QF games. Then you rotate between Atlanta, Phoenix, Dallas, and Miami for the other two QFs. But realistically you need to bid out the Semis well in advance to accommodate travel. Who has the money for that? Campus games for the semis doesn't feel right either following neutral QF games.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
(02-21-2020 12:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  For the Week 19 Saturday (assuming two byes which is 50/50) you couldn't take the traditional Bowl setups. Rose and Sugar would be locked as annual QF games. Then you rotate between Atlanta, Phoenix, Dallas, and Miami for the other two QFs. But realistically you need to bid out the Semis well in advance to accommodate travel. Who has the money for that? Campus games for the semis doesn't feel right either following neutral QF games.

For the reasons you cite, if the CFP were to go to 8 teams it would have to be the Quarterfinal round that is played on the home turf of the top four seeds. There would be just as much complaining about that as there is now from people who want to expand. That would be true no matter what selection format is chosen.
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RE: If NFL moves to 17 games as reported starting 2021...
Honestly, if the colleges want to increase their media revenue then expanding the CFP to 8 will have a limited upside. It will also have the downside of placing the football season squarely into the Spring semester. If nothing else, I'm sure other bowls would follow suit.

The primary downside is unless some significant changes are made, you're going to detract from the best part of the college basketball season. March Madness is important for obvious reasons, but the NFL altering their playoff schedule presents a better opportunity for college basketball than football.

I fully expect the major conferences to obtain greater control over the postseason tournaments one way or the other. When exactly, I'm not sure. The key will be cutting the NCAA out of the picture and taking an increase in the postseason money, but if they play their cards right then they can make the regular season much more popular as well.

Adding playoff games could pale in comparison to increasing the impact of the college basketball season.
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