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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(01-15-2020 12:32 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 12:03 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I wasn't being serious. I would like to see UNCW create a family structure. One that creates loyalty among coaches and alumni, and is attractive to recruits. We don't need a full staff of UNCW guys, but if there are guys that are interested and qualified, I'm all for it. If we have two guys that are equally qualified for a position, whether HC or assistant, being an alum could be tiebreaker, but I'm not interested in those guys just for sentimental purposes.

I agree with you on that. One reason I like Siddle is because I think he'd bring back some familiar faces. However, if a more qualified candidate is interested he should get the job.

What familiar faces do you think he'd bring along? Not bashing at all, just curious.

Possible names I think he'd consider bringing on his staff with prior connections to UNCW:

Casey Stanley
Thomas Carr
Travis Hackert
Hunter Henderson
Craig Ponder
Ambrose Mosley

As long as the old PA guy isn't there to stutter Ponder's name, I'm in.... haha

LOL... 5 positions on our coaching staff. I'd be willing to bet at least 4 or 5 positions would be filled by guys on that list if Siddle got the job.
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(01-15-2020 12:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I wasn’t being fully serious about all UNCW guys either.

But if 2 candidates are about equal and one is a UNCW guy, I’d go with him. Not being sentimental, just practical. We need a coach who will win here AND will stay a little bit. Say, 5 years. A UNCW guy might be more loyal to us than most.

I wasn't positive, but didn't think you were entirely serious. Justus scares me a little because he doesn't have HC experience, but I'm on the same page with you. The loyalty we desire could make a huge difference. Five years of success would set us up a lot better than three. That's not intended to be a slight to Keatts, but two more years of success would've been huge for recruiting, and I speculate, would've made a difference on Bass' willingness to hire one of his assistants. While we hope for someone to step in to be a lifer, that's probably not realistic, which makes 82's point about continuity all the more important.
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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 12:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I wasn’t being fully serious about all UNCW guys either.

But if 2 candidates are about equal and one is a UNCW guy, I’d go with him. Not being sentimental, just practical. We need a coach who will win here AND will stay a little bit. Say, 5 years. A UNCW guy might be more loyal to us than most.

, and I speculate, would've made a difference on Bass' willingness to hire one of his assistants. While we hope for someone to step in to be a lifer, that's probably not realistic, which makes 82's point about continuity all the more important.
That last part IMO is the most important. Being able to groom someone for that long makes a lot of people comfortable in a smooth transition. See, Jerry------> BB
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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:28 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 12:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 12:32 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I agree with you on that. One reason I like Siddle is because I think he'd bring back some familiar faces. However, if a more qualified candidate is interested he should get the job.

What familiar faces do you think he'd bring along? Not bashing at all, just curious.

Possible names I think he'd consider bringing on his staff with prior connections to UNCW:

Casey Stanley
Thomas Carr
Travis Hackert
Hunter Henderson
Craig Ponder
Ambrose Mosley

As long as the old PA guy isn't there to stutter Ponder's name, I'm in.... haha

LOL... 5 positions on our coaching staff. I'd be willing to bet at least 4 or 5 positions would be filled by guys on that list if Siddle got the job.

No offense intended here but that list is not real impressive. I hope they go the exact opposite route and get a proven D1 guy with HC experience and give him a 5 year deal with support from the very top. It's a critical time for UNCW basketball and while you there are no sure things in sports I would take as gamble out of the equation as possible. Siddle might be a great one some day but I would let him prove it somewhere else.
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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:37 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:28 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 12:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  What familiar faces do you think he'd bring along? Not bashing at all, just curious.

Possible names I think he'd consider bringing on his staff with prior connections to UNCW:

Casey Stanley
Thomas Carr
Travis Hackert
Hunter Henderson
Craig Ponder
Ambrose Mosley

As long as the old PA guy isn't there to stutter Ponder's name, I'm in.... haha

LOL... 5 positions on our coaching staff. I'd be willing to bet at least 4 or 5 positions would be filled by guys on that list if Siddle got the job.

No offense intended here but that list is not real impressive. I hope they go the exact opposite route and get a proven D1 guy with HC experience and give him a 5 year deal with support from the very top. It's a critical time for UNCW basketball and while you there are no sure things in sports I would take as gamble out of the equation as possible. Siddle might be a great one some day but I would let him prove it somewhere else.

No offense taken at all. Like I said if someone more qualified wants the job, they should get it. Don't know what really qualifies as a potential impressive staff at the mid major level. Stanley was heavily involved in the recruitment of Cacok, Carr is at NCCU under Moton now... I think under Siddle's guidance that could be a successful group.
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(01-15-2020 01:42 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Don't know what really qualifies as a potential impressive staff at the mid major level.

It would be interesting to take a look at Wainwright's staff. Mike Winiecki isn't a HC, but Brownell and Terry are both doing well. It is crazy how good we had it then.
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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:42 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Don't know what really qualifies as a potential impressive staff at the mid major level.

It would be interesting to take a look at Wainwright's staff. Mike Winiecki isn't a HC, but Brownell and Terry are both doing well. It is crazy how good we had it then.

I think that's a reason why Wainwright was so great. He hired and recruited good basketball minds. The amount of coaches we have around college basketball from that era is quite impressive.
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RE: Coaching speculation
(01-15-2020 01:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:42 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Don't know what really qualifies as a potential impressive staff at the mid major level.

It would be interesting to take a look at Wainwright's staff. Mike Winiecki isn't a HC, but Brownell and Terry are both doing well. It is crazy how good we had it then.

Speaking of Rodney Terry, I saw on twitter recently that he was admitted to the hospital in critical condition with anaphylactic shock caused by an allergic reaction to a meal. Looks like he's doing fine now. Not sure if this was shared on here previously.
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Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.
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(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

This is almost completely in jest, but I think Byington looks too much like McGrath to be our next coach
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If you read some news stories about the hiring of the assistant at Wofford, the number one factor was continuity. That was the word from the AD and administration.

Not sure how old he is or his interest, but a Brownell assistant went with Earl Grant to CofC. He must have been pretty important to Brownell because Brownell hired him back and he's there now.

https://clemsontigers.com/coaches/dick-bender/
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(01-15-2020 03:20 PM)hittsprint Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

This is almost completely in jest, but I think Byington looks too much like McGrath to be our next coach

He might look like him, but he obviously coaches a little bit better!
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(01-15-2020 04:00 PM)Seahawk33 Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:20 PM)hittsprint Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

This is almost completely in jest, but I think Byington looks too much like McGrath to be our next coach

He might look like him, but he obviously coaches a little bit better!

A Chimp might coach a little better, jus sayin! LOL
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(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

Not a bad idea. And a great way to open a door for Blizzard to get in the coaching arena. Keatts pretty much filled his assistant spots with former Hargrave players. Siddle played under Keatts and then joined his coaching staff there and ended up with him at UNCW.

I'm fine with either coaaching tree. They both are defensive oriented identities.
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(01-15-2020 04:06 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

Not a bad idea. And a great way to open a door for Blizzard to get in the coaching arena. Keatts pretty much filled his assistant spots with former Hargrave players. Siddle played under Keatts and then joined his coaching staff there and ended up with him at UNCW.

I'm fine with either coaaching tree. They both are defensive oriented identities.
The only issue with the Wainright tree, is the rules have changed, it's harder to be physical. But, anything it better than what we had
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(01-15-2020 04:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:06 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Still think Mark Byington would be perfect. In his 7th year as a HC at a mid major he has finished 2nd, fifth, 3rd, 3rd and 2nd in the Sun Belt. Always top half finish in a conference that is probably a little better right now than the CAA.

Not a bad idea. And a great way to open a door for Blizzard to get in the coaching arena. Keatts pretty much filled his assistant spots with former Hargrave players. Siddle played under Keatts and then joined his coaching staff there and ended up with him at UNCW.

I'm fine with either coaaching tree. They both are defensive oriented identities.
The only issue with the Wainright tree, is the rules have changed, it's harder to be physical. But, anything it better than what we had

May be, but the main emphasis was defense. Earl Grant followed in the footsteps of Brownell with a pretty physical brand of defense and seems to be doing ok. He had the same problem as Brownell. He REALLY needs a couple of drop dead offensive players to win.
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https://www.savannahnow.com/news/sports/...long-haul?

Article from 2018. He is making a base salary just over $282,000. Contract is good through 2021-2022. That salary is in our ballpark but don’t know if we could afford to buy him out for two seasons.
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(01-15-2020 05:32 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  https://www.savannahnow.com/news/sports/...long-haul?

Article from 2018. He is making a base salary just over $282,000. Contract is good through 2021-2022. That salary is in our ballpark but don’t know if we could afford to buy him out for two seasons.

Mark Byington – Georgia Southern

Total Compensation: $300,000
Additional Compensation: None
Notes: $300,000 in annual base salary
Max Bonus: $243,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $300,000 in 2019-20 compensation
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $75,000
Contract Term Ends: April 30, 2020

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Interesting information about coaching slalaries, contract ending dates and buyouts:

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketb...0-24-2019/

If anyone wonders why Dooley turned us down...

Joe Dooley – East Carolina

Total Compensation: $925,000
Additional Compensation: Coach is entitled to all revenues from basketball camps and clinics
Notes: $400,000 in base salary, $250,000 for coach’s television, radio and internet programs, $275,000 for promoting season ticket sales
Max Bonus: $585,000

Or, why we can't get Rodney Terry

Rodney Terry – UTEP

Total Compensation: $725,000
Additional Compensation: A percentage of net proceeds from youth basketball camps in the summer
Notes: $725,000 in base salary
Max Bonus: $1,177,852
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $2.9 million (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $500,000
Contract Term Ends: August 31, 2023


Buyout if Fired Without Cause: $1.6 million in remaining base salary (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $1 million
Contract Term Ends: May 31, 2023
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(01-15-2020 06:10 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 05:32 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  https://www.savannahnow.com/news/sports/...long-haul?

Article from 2018. He is making a base salary just over $282,000. Contract is good through 2021-2022. That salary is in our ballpark but don’t know if we could afford to buy him out for two seasons.

Mark Byington – Georgia Southern

Total Compensation: $300,000
Additional Compensation: None
Notes: $300,000 in annual base salary
Max Bonus: $243,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $300,000 in 2019-20 compensation
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $75,000
Contract Term Ends: April 30, 2020

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketb...0-24-2019/

Interesting. The better for us. Though not sure why there is a two year discrepancy in contract length. So his contract ends after this season. That is convenient if true.
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