(01-15-2020 06:15 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Interesting information about coaching slalaries, contract ending dates and buyouts:

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketb...0-24-2019/

If anyone wonders why Dooley turned us down...

Joe Dooley – East Carolina

Total Compensation: $925,000
Additional Compensation: Coach is entitled to all revenues from basketball camps and clinics
Notes: $400,000 in base salary, $250,000 for coach’s television, radio and internet programs, $275,000 for promoting season ticket sales
Max Bonus: $585,000

Or, why we can't get Rodney Terry

Rodney Terry – UTEP

Total Compensation: $725,000
Additional Compensation: A percentage of net proceeds from youth basketball camps in the summer
Notes: $725,000 in base salary
Max Bonus: $1,177,852
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $2.9 million (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $500,000
Contract Term Ends: August 31, 2023


Buyout if Fired Without Cause: $1.6 million in remaining base salary (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $1 million
Contract Term Ends: May 31, 2023

The benefits of having bad football programs right there.

(01-15-2020 06:26 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 06:15 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Interesting information about coaching slalaries, contract ending dates and buyouts:

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketb...0-24-2019/

If anyone wonders why Dooley turned us down...

Joe Dooley – East Carolina

Total Compensation: $925,000
Additional Compensation: Coach is entitled to all revenues from basketball camps and clinics
Notes: $400,000 in base salary, $250,000 for coach’s television, radio and internet programs, $275,000 for promoting season ticket sales
Max Bonus: $585,000

Or, why we can't get Rodney Terry

Rodney Terry – UTEP

Total Compensation: $725,000
Additional Compensation: A percentage of net proceeds from youth basketball camps in the summer
Notes: $725,000 in base salary
Max Bonus: $1,177,852
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $2.9 million (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $500,000
Contract Term Ends: August 31, 2023


Buyout if Fired Without Cause: $1.6 million in remaining base salary (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $1 million
Contract Term Ends: May 31, 2023

The benefits of having bad football programs right there.

The benefits of having about twice as many undergrads as UNCW pay athletic fees. We're moving to 25,000 students asap, so we'll catch up.

(01-15-2020 06:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 06:10 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 05:32 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  https://www.savannahnow.com/news/sports/...long-haul?

Article from 2018. He is making a base salary just over $282,000. Contract is good through 2021-2022. That salary is in our ballpark but don’t know if we could afford to buy him out for two seasons.

Mark Byington – Georgia Southern

Total Compensation: $300,000
Additional Compensation: None
Notes: $300,000 in annual base salary
Max Bonus: $243,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining $300,000 in 2019-20 compensation
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $75,000
Contract Term Ends: April 30, 2020

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketb...0-24-2019/

Interesting. The better for us. Though not sure why there is a two year discrepancy in contract length. So his contract ends after this season. That is convenient if true.

Looks like this info was pre contract extension. Buyout is still $75,000. We can handle that.

https://www.facebook.com/CAASports/video...Y5MjY2MzA/

Discussion about the attractiveness of UNCW job

Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

(01-16-2020 09:27 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

Sounds like we have two excellent options in Byington and Shaver. Based on age and Byington's alumni status, he would be 1A. Shaver, a NC native and CAA vet is an excellent second option though.

If Shaver is the hire, his top assistant would be really important. At W&M, Jonathan Holmes assumed that role, and Holmes currently as that role at Elon.

With Byington, it would be pretty easy for GSU to match an offer assuming his salary is comparable to CB's. I don't know anything of him, so this is complete speculation, but I have some doubt about his interest. Could be an opportunity to get a raise without making a change. I definitely don't want to get into his personal life, but noticed his wife isn't mentioned in the GSU bio, only his son. Again, speculation, but how would that impact his desire/ability to move? I'm not sure if that is out of bounds to discuss; I don't feel entirely comfortable posting, especially given that I have no insight...I guess I'm just trying to say that it would be family decision, and it could be complicated.

I think UNCW would be a better stepping stone than GSU, plus the draw of being an alum, but I'm not an expert on GSU.

(01-16-2020 11:43 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:27 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

Sounds like we have two excellent options in Byington and Shaver. Based on age and Byington's alumni status, he would be 1A. Shaver, a NC native and CAA vet is an excellent second option though.

If Shaver is the hire, his top assistant would be really important. At W&M, Jonathan Holmes assumed that role, and Holmes currently as that role at Elon.

With Byington, it would be pretty easy for GSU to match an offer assuming his salary is comparable to CB's. I don't know anything of him, so this is complete speculation, but I have some doubt about his interest. Could be an opportunity to get a raise without making a change. I definitely don't want to get into his personal life, but noticed his wife isn't mentioned in the GSU bio, only his son. Again, speculation, but how would that impact his desire/ability to move? I'm not sure if that is out of bounds to discuss; I don't feel entirely comfortable posting, especially given that I have no insight...I guess I'm just trying to say that it would be family decision, and it could be complicated.

I think it's fair to bring up that point

Also he had been successful at building Ga Southern. Would he want to start over again at another midmajor?

(01-16-2020 09:27 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

That sounds like good news, but the last thing I want the AD to do is rush into something. Hopefully we take our time with it and really get it right. The players deserve that and the program needs it. I think the AD knows that too... this hire is essentially his lifeline for his resume.

(01-16-2020 12:16 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:27 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

That sounds like good news, but the last thing I want the AD to do is rush into something. Hopefully we take our time with it and really get it right. The players deserve that and the program needs it. I think the AD knows that too... this hire is essentially his lifeline for his resume.

It is obviously a huge deal for UNCW and the athletic department as a whole. Shaver is a proven commodity but is a older guy.

Curious after three consecutive 20 win seasons, what was the cause of the regression the last few years? When you look at his results at W & M over his career anything but consistent. Only a few average seasons and the rest either really good or really bad! Although he is a known commodity have to say after reading up he doesn't really excite me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Shaver

(01-16-2020 12:42 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:16 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:27 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Got a call last night about the coaching search and evidently Shaver lives in the Holden Beach area now and has been in contact with UNCW about the job from the minute it became open. I have no clue what is going on with the deal but it sounded like these people know at least a little about the search.

That sounds like good news, but the last thing I want the AD to do is rush into something. Hopefully we take our time with it and really get it right. The players deserve that and the program needs it. I think the AD knows that too... this hire is essentially his lifeline for his resume.

It is obviously a huge deal for UNCW and the athletic department as a whole. Shaver is a proven commodity but is a older guy.

That is true, and could be a factor. However, if it's true that he's shown interest since the job came open that's a HUGE plus. As an employer, I'd much rather have someone that expressed a high level of self interest in the job vs someone I have to go to and talk into it. I know that's kind of a captain obvious thing to say, but I'm pleased that the job still has draw for a guy like Shaver who is accomplished and still has the "itch" to coach. I have a funny feeling he reeeeeaaally wants to prove that NCAA success and knows UNCW has the goods to help him get there.

(01-16-2020 12:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Curious after three consecutive 20 win seasons, what was the cause of the regression the last few years? When you look at his results at W & M over his career anything but consistent. Only a few average seasons and the rest either really good or really bad! Although he is a known commodity have to say after reading up he doesn't really excite me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Shaver

It's extremely difficult to recruit to WM, IMO due to their strict academic requirements. I've seen the guy coach and I think once you saw him in action you'd really like it. Anyways, back to why I think there was such disparity between seasons is related to that ability to recruit to WM.

The fact that nearly the entire WM fanbase was furious with their AD for getting rid of him speaks volumes, IMO. Which means, even with some of those bad years... he was heavily respected and they saw value in retaining him.

(01-16-2020 12:55 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Curious after three consecutive 20 win seasons, what was the cause of the regression the last few years? When you look at his results at W & M over his career anything but consistent. Only a few average seasons and the rest either really good or really bad! Although he is a known commodity have to say after reading up he doesn't really excite me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Shaver

It's extremely difficult to recruit to WM, IMO due to their strict academic requirements. I've seen the guy coach and I think once you saw him in action you'd really like it. Anyways, back to why I think there was such disparity between seasons is related to that ability to recruit to WM.

The fact that nearly the entire WM fanbase was furious with their AD for getting rid of him speaks volumes, IMO. Which means, even with some of those bad years... he was heavily respected and they saw value in retaining him.

I get it, and i don't necessarily disagree. But it still doesn't seem like he was able to find any niche to have a level of consistency. I mean we are talking about going from 6 wins to near 20 and then back again

5th, 11th, 3rd, 11th finish in CAA in 4 year period. That would drive most of us NUTS!

Recruiting at W&M has to be a really tough deal and at UNCW he would have more freedom to pursue players and get them in school. I always enjoyed seeing his teams play here and I think he would be a great hire.

Looking at the talent last years W&M team had on it, it’s not a stretch to say they underachieved. I like Shaver but the idea of hiring him doesn’t necessarily excite me. I know most would disagree with me but I’d prefer Byington and Siddle

(01-16-2020 01:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Looking at the talent last years W&M team had on it, it’s not a stretch to say they underachieved. I like Shaver but the idea of hiring him doesn’t necessarily excite me. I know most would disagree with me but I’d prefer Byington and Siddle

I can definitely understand your preference of Byington, but I have to disagree on Siddle. The man may end up turning out to be an excellent HC one day and I may be wrong but my preference would put Shaver above him solely due to experience, proven winner (even if slightly inconsistent as pointed out by Hoops above), and familiar with HC in conference. Add in the flavor of he likely has a high desire to obliterate WM at least twice a year and... yes please.

(01-16-2020 02:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 01:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Looking at the talent last years W&M team had on it, it’s not a stretch to say they underachieved. I like Shaver but the idea of hiring him doesn’t necessarily excite me. I know most would disagree with me but I’d prefer Byington and Siddle

I can definitely understand your preference of Byington, but I have to disagree on Siddle. The man may end up turning out to be an excellent HC one day and I may be wrong but my preference would put Shaver above him solely due to experience, proven winner (even if slightly inconsistent as pointed out by Hoops above), and familiar with HC in conference. Add in the flavor of he likely has a high desire to obliterate WM at least twice a year and... yes please.

Slightly? What would be Very?

(01-16-2020 01:04 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  5th, 11th, 3rd, 11th finish in CAA in 4 year period. That would drive most of us NUTS!

Are these his last four finishes at W&M?

(01-16-2020 02:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 02:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 01:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Looking at the talent last years W&M team had on it, it’s not a stretch to say they underachieved. I like Shaver but the idea of hiring him doesn’t necessarily excite me. I know most would disagree with me but I’d prefer Byington and Siddle

I can definitely understand your preference of Byington, but I have to disagree on Siddle. The man may end up turning out to be an excellent HC one day and I may be wrong but my preference would put Shaver above him solely due to experience, proven winner (even if slightly inconsistent as pointed out by Hoops above), and familiar with HC in conference. Add in the flavor of he likely has a high desire to obliterate WM at least twice a year and... yes please.

Slightly? What would be Very?

Oh, good my man. I'm glad you asked. How about we take a look at his ENTIRE body of work at WM, instead of just a selection that fits your narrative.

Dating back to 2003-04 when he started at WM, see below all of the regular season finishes. For each season I included just the final year of the season, so for instance the first season listed is "2003-04" and is noted as simply "04".

04 - 8th
05 - 8th
06 - 10th
07 - 7th
08 - 5th
09 - 11th
10 - 3rd (NIT)
11 - 11th
12 - 10th
13 - 8th
14 - 3rd
15 - 1st (tie) (NIT)
16 - 3rd
17 - 4th
18 - 4th
19 - 4th

So yes, that 4 year period in the middle of his tenure was inconsistent, but look at his last six years... all 4th or better. One could argue EASILY that if he's finishing that consistent with a roster that he's restricted to by WM recruiting and funding (go ask around with the WM fans about basketball funding if you don't want to take my word), and I'd say that's pretty good. Sure, some let down seasons but still... overall body of work -- good considering it's WM.