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(08-31-2020 08:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-30-2020 08:26 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 06:07 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 04:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2020 06:02 PM)bluelight Wrote:  ALL TRANSFERS, EXCEPT ONE GOOD RECRUITING JJ

Who cares if they are transfers or not? It means zero. Are transfers not recruited?

Exactly!

JJ recruits mostly transfers, who have already been recruited. JJ has a hard time convincing incoming great talented freshmen, to come to ODU

Ah, I understand now. High school seniors don't want to play for Jones but he has a special way of recruiting guys that are a year past their high school senior years.

I would venture to guess that it is easier to recruit a top kid who goes to Duke or UNC who finds himself sitting on the end of the bench for a year or more. Some kids want to play more than being a bit player on a super star squad. Seems logical to me that i would be easier to get that kid than a kid straight out of HS

I just want someone at the top of the key who is a threat to score. Teams could double down low because AC was no threat. It would open up the scoring for everyone else.

Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting. My major beef is foul shooting. We would have won 10 games, or more, over the last few years if we had hit 1-3 additional free throws. I can't understand why we recruit such terrible foul shooters.

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting. My major beef is foul shooting. We would have won 10 games, or more, over the last few years if we had hit 1-3 additional free throws. I can't understand why we recruit such terrible foul shooters.

And very likely would have made another NCAA tournament.

FT shooting sucks throughout CBB for the most part, but that's something individual kids need to work on diligently. Many not willing to shoot 500 a day, or don't have time. I'd settle for our guys shooting 250 a day, every day. But is takes discipline. Many of Paul Webb's teams were bad at the FT line, so it ain't a new problem.

I haven't looked up the numbers, but I've always heard that College Basketball average is about 68-69% and NBA is 75%. Its not as easy as many people make it seem.

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

LY ODU was #233 out of 350 in FT%, 69.2% (378/546)
The mean of teams was #175 Arkansas State 71%
If ODU had made 10 more FT 388 (388/546= 71%)

basically statistically irrelevant

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

What results do you expect out of curiosity?

(08-31-2020 12:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

What results do you expect out of curiosity?

Is this really still a question after 1 NCAA tournament appearance since 2013? You know what results people want to see.

If the conference is a joke and JJ isnt a bad coach why is our average finish between 3rd and 4th place?

I think people have plenty to be upset about.

I like the recruiting efforts recently but I think theres still more to be desired.

I think he's asking for you to clearly articulate your expectations for success so you can't move the goalposts if we achieve that this year.

(08-31-2020 12:50 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

What results do you expect out of curiosity?

Is this really still a question after 1 NCAA tournament appearance since 2013? You know what results people want to see.

If the conference is a joke and JJ isnt a bad coach why is our average finish between 3rd and 4th place?

I think people have plenty to be upset about.

I like the recruiting efforts recently but I think theres still more to be desired.

If you say the results are unacceptable, is it unreasonable for someone to ask what results are acceptable?

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  LY ODU was #233 out of 350 in FT%, 69.2% (378/546)
The mean of teams was #175 Arkansas State 71%
If ODU had made 10 more FT 388 (388/546= 71%)

basically statistically irrelevant

I can think of a few games we would have won with 10 more free throws made. So while statistically irrelevant, it was relevant to our win/loss record.

Last year we lost by 3 or less to
JMU (2), Richmond (3), WKU (2), Marshal (1), FIU (3), Louisiana Tech (3), and We lost in OT to UTSA (one free throw would have won the game in regulation).

(08-31-2020 01:27 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  LY ODU was #233 out of 350 in FT%, 69.2% (378/546)
The mean of teams was #175 Arkansas State 71%
If ODU had made 10 more FT 388 (388/546= 71%)

basically statistically irrelevant

I can think of a few games we would have won with 10 more free throws made. So while statistically irrelevant, it was relevant to our win/loss record.

Last year we lost by 3 or less to
JMU (2), Richmond (3), WKU (2), Marshal (1), FIU (3), Louisiana Tech (3), and We lost in OT to UTSA (one free throw would have won the game in regulation).

Every team would win more games if they made every free throw.....or even 3-4 more.

(08-31-2020 01:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 01:27 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  LY ODU was #233 out of 350 in FT%, 69.2% (378/546)
The mean of teams was #175 Arkansas State 71%
If ODU had made 10 more FT 388 (388/546= 71%)

basically statistically irrelevant

I can think of a few games we would have won with 10 more free throws made. So while statistically irrelevant, it was relevant to our win/loss record.

Last year we lost by 3 or less to
JMU (2), Richmond (3), WKU (2), Marshal (1), FIU (3), Louisiana Tech (3), and We lost in OT to UTSA (one free throw would have won the game in regulation).

Every team would win more games if they made every free throw.....or even 3-4 more.

Since 1960 the yearly average college basketball free throw percentage has been between 67% and 70%. The highest was 70.1% in 1979. 70% has always been that magic plateau above which you get labeled a “good” FT shooting team or player. The one thing that has changed is the number of fouls have gone up over the years, particularly the last decade. Which gives free throws more impact on the game than it used to.

Any player can improve their free throws. No amount of practice will turn Shaq into Curry. But improve from 65% to 70%, sure. It takes coaches coaching the proper technique and players practicing a lot, like hundreds a day. On their own time. Their just isn’t enough practice time to let them shoot free throws every day. If they want to improve they need to spend extra time at the line on their own.

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting. My major beef is foul shooting. We would have won 10 games, or more, over the last few years if we had hit 1-3 additional free throws. I can't understand why we recruit such terrible foul shooters.

AGAIN YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! FACE FACTS JJ CAN'T RECRUIT ALL AROUND TALENTED FRESHMEN

(08-31-2020 01:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:50 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

What results do you expect out of curiosity?

Is this really still a question after 1 NCAA tournament appearance since 2013? You know what results people want to see.

If the conference is a joke and JJ isnt a bad coach why is our average finish between 3rd and 4th place?

I think people have plenty to be upset about.

I like the recruiting efforts recently but I think theres still more to be desired.

If you say the results are unacceptable, is it unreasonable for someone to ask what results are acceptable?

It is not unreasonable, but when the question has been answer 20 times before and you continue to ask it seems like you have a memory problem or are just asking it to deflect from the issue.

Let me turn it around on you. Do you really think one NCAAT with a low major level performance in that appearance over the course of 7 years is good enough? If so, I ask if you would feel good about the direction of your business if you had been flat for the last 7 years, with one of those years being marginally better than all the others?

My expectations are pretty simple. I want to see the program on a generally upward trajectory. That means that two years from now we should be better than we were 2 years ago. That means making the NCAAT regularly, not once every 8-10 years. That means we are catching up to the top mid majors, not falling farther behind. I know you can't understand because I am not putting a number on it, but it isn't about how many games we win, or whether we average top 2 or top 4 in the conference. It is about seeing a program that is consistently getting better, and appears to be poised to take a step forward. I don't care if we have a coach who took us to 2 sweet sixteens six years ago. If the program is trending down from there, then I want to move on, and I want to move on before the program has stagnated so that we can build on that success. Stagnation is the worst thing that can happen. IMO, it is far worse than having one or two bad season.

As far as the recruiting stuff goes, I have learned not to evaluate the success of recruiting at ODU before players have ever stepped on the court. This board hails every class as an excellent one or a terrible one depending on who you listen to. The fact is that we are never quite sure.

(08-31-2020 12:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

A NEW YOUNG ENERGETIC COACH, WHO CAN CONVINCE TALENTED RECRUITS TO COME TO ODU EXAMPLE: LOOK AT FOOTBALL!
What results do you expect out of curiosity?

(09-01-2020 11:47 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 12:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:09 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:23 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Well they can’t complain about the big man thing any more, so it’s back to being about high school recruits. And that’s ignoring that 4 of our top 6 players in the rotation were recruited here out of high school.

I am always curious what it will take for some to quit complaining about JJ and recruiting.

Results on the court.

What results do you expect out of curiosity?

A NEW YOUNG ENERGETIC COACH, WHO CAN CONVINCE TALENTED RECRUITS TO COME TO ODU EXAMPLE: LOOK AT FOOTBALL!

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