it's wild that this is even a thread.

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

Serious answer? Maybe because, as some speculated earlier, maybe Brady White does better on standardized tests about "if you see the defense do X, then you call audible Y or Z?" type questions.
And if that's the case, or something like that, then I get it.

(09-09-2019 03:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

Serious answer? Maybe because, as some speculated earlier, maybe Brady White does better on standardized tests about "if you see the defense do X, then you call audible Y or Z?" type questions.
And if that's the case, or something like that, then I get it.

White clearly does things better thus why he is the starter, right? pretty sure mike's in the business of winning games so he can jump to this next job if we are just being honest.

(09-09-2019 02:26 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 02:22 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

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Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

Obviously, the one that completed the pass for the touchdown.

Yeah he's an expert at throwing flairs behind the line of scrimmage to world class athletes who break 10 tackles on their way to 60 yd td's. Impressive quarterbacking indeed.

Some of you are going to be begging the mods to delete this thread as the season goes on.

(09-09-2019 12:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

And the only reason we were "shut out" in the 2nd half is because we decided NOT to score and hand the ball back over. It wasnt because Ole Miss prevented us from scoring.

Trying to have a rational debate with someone who honestly thinks that we got zero points on purpose, isn't easy. Here is what did in the 2nd half of our losses last season.

Wake Forest
6 points

UCF
3 points, 19 yard field goal

Missouri
14 points

UCF
ZERO

Tulane
17 points; 10 of them after we were down 40-14 halfway through the 4th quarter

Navy
14 points in the 2nd half!
2 plays 78 yards, Henderson 78 yard run, 1 play 54 yards, Henderson 54 yard run. How funny is that?

Now we have posters that are praising White engineering 7 total points, but not only that; for getting no points because he didn't give the other team points, even though he threw an interception to start the 2nd half.

This is what it has come to.

(09-09-2019 03:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Some of you are going to be begging the mods to delete this thread as the season goes on.

I will stand by every word and will be thrilled if things change; unlike a loser who won't admit that it is stupid to say that our receivers are young, when 5 out of 6 are seniors.

My opinion is that Norvell has no confidence in the offense. No confidence in White, no confidence in our offensive line and no confidence in our wide receivers. How else can anyone explain the play calling otherwise?

Last year when we had to open up the offense in meaningful games against good competition; White was not up to the task. The offense only worked last season when our running backs were making a record number of runs of 40 yards or more. We don't have that luxury this year and White wasted it last year.

IF White and the offense perform well against Navy and Temple; I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, and then shift the blame to Norvell for making us so one dimensional.

It's as simple as that.

(09-09-2019 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 03:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Some of you are going to be begging the mods to delete this thread as the season goes on.

I will stand by every word and will be thrilled if things change; unlike a loser who won't admit that it is stupid to say that our receivers are young, when 5 out of 6 are seniors.

My opinion is that Norvell has no confidence in the offense. No confidence in White, no confidence in our offensive line and no confidence in our wide receivers. How else can anyone explain the play calling otherwise?

Last year when we had to open up the offense in meaningful games against good competition; White was not up to the task. The offense only worked last season when our running backs were making a record number of runs of 40 yards or more. We don't have that luxury this year and White wasted it last year.

IF White and the offense perform well against Navy and Temple; I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, and then shift the blame to Norvell for making us so one dimensional.

It's as simple as that.

What would need to happen to cause you to admit you were wrong, and accept the blame yourself? And I'm being serious here. This is why people feel the need to double down.

(09-09-2019 04:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 03:26 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Some of you are going to be begging the mods to delete this thread as the season goes on.

I will stand by every word and will be thrilled if things change; unlike a loser who won't admit that it is stupid to say that our receivers are young, when 5 out of 6 are seniors.

My opinion is that Norvell has no confidence in the offense. No confidence in White, no confidence in our offensive line and no confidence in our wide receivers. How else can anyone explain the play calling otherwise?

Last year when we had to open up the offense in meaningful games against good competition; White was not up to the task. The offense only worked last season when our running backs were making a record number of runs of 40 yards or more. We don't have that luxury this year and White wasted it last year.

IF White and the offense perform well against Navy and Temple; I will be happy to admit that I was wrong, and then shift the blame to Norvell for making us so one dimensional.

It's as simple as that.

What would need to happen to cause you to admit you were wrong, and accept the blame yourself? And I'm being serious here. This is why people feel the need to double down.

When on at least a few of the intermediate throws of 15-25 yards, he hits a higher percentage. Jones was wide open on the scramble 30 yards down field and the ball was thrown too late. Williams was wide open in the middle of the field and instead of hitting him in stride, he has to turn back and go to the ground to catch it. Coxie was fairly well covered but the ball was still late and behind him; stuff like that.

You can't do anything about the fact that White is going to make every offensive line look bad, no matter how good they are, because so many of his throws are under 10 yards, he puts no zip on the ball, and he is the slowest, least elusive runner imaginable.

If he can keep the defenses from playing everyone close to the line of scrimmage and jumping every single route, that will be a good start. It also wouldn't be too much to ask (I think) for him to win a game or two by playing well; every quarterback manages it now and then.

For the 100th time; it would be nice if he could do this against good competition.

I thought Adair looked really good and composed when he got his snaps - I was actually surprised at the difference from White.

(09-09-2019 02:28 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 02:22 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

.

Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

Did you watch the game? White had multiple throws more than 20 yards downfield. More completions than incompletions.

Yeah I watched the game. I watched the Ole Miss game too.

White had a solid game against Southern. He's had trouble against good teams that make him move in the pocket. If you're happy with a slow footed, soft tosser who throws mostly underneath or behind the line of scrimmage, he's perfect. His stats will look good on paper. If he has to make a play downfield, he struggles. If he has to carry the team on his back when the running game is getting shut down, he hasn't been real good.

Let's see how he does going forward. Last year he had a bum foot most of the year. Let's throw out the first game of this year for various reasons and see what happens. He's definitely going to be the starter as he should. I just don't understan why some of us get all jiggy when someone points out some of his shortcomings. It's a discussion forum.

(09-09-2019 12:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:06 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

I think the only thing sillier than arguing that Brady White is vindicated based on his performance against an FCS defense is arguing that Adair is somehow the answer based on his performance against an FCS defense that hasn't prepared for him, in the second half of a blowout, that is probably some combination of disinterested, worn out and/or playing second stringers.

An assinine argument on your part. ONCE AGAIN your opponent has no effect on arm strength.

The guy is a career 64.4% passer(better than Lynch and Ferguson). 7th in career TDs passes and 8th in career passing yards after just 16 games.

WHAT IN F'N HELL DO YOU WANT FROM THE GUY????

You're comparing completion percentages of guy who soft tosses to wide open receivers behind the line of scrimmages, to two guys blasting canon shots downfield to recievers who have defensive backs draped all over them? There's nothing to say.

As for passing yards, I stated it in another post. White throws a dink to Darrell henderson on a screen for 65 yards and a touchdown. Riley Ferguson throws a 65 yard pass to Anthony Miller for a touchdown. Both QB's have the same stats. Who would you be more impressed with?

(09-09-2019 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:07 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

And the only reason we were "shut out" in the 2nd half is because we decided NOT to score and hand the ball back over. It wasnt because Ole Miss prevented us from scoring.

Okay... We were shut out every possession of the 2nd half until the final drive when we got the ball down to the 20 with one minute left and took 2 knees... AKA for all intents and purposes we were completely shut out in the 2nd half...

Yea, the drive that lasted half of the 4th quarter by itself.

“Half” of the 4th and we “purposefully” didn’t score. My assumption is you use words very loosely and you do not mean your statements literally...

He doesn’t have to throw 50-yard passes for our offense to be successful; but we have to be able to convert consistently on 3rd and 6. Both White and Adair were able to do this vs Southern. We weren’t able to against Mississippi. The slant to Dykes where he was just shy of first down is a good example of the type of pass I’m talking about.

(09-09-2019 05:59 PM)micman Wrote:  He doesn’t have to throw 50-yard passes for our offense to be successful;

Yeah, but it sure would open things up for him and the running backs if he could connect deep every once in a while. Running backs have done well so far, but....

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

they have history

Geoff and Gary going at it about this subject right now.

(09-09-2019 08:32 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

they have history

Ah, ok.

So Norvell and the OC know Adair is better than White, but because Norvell and Brady have a "history," Norvell is going to potentially compromise a AAC title because of that.

Makes sense now.

(09-10-2019 09:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Geoff and Gary going at it about this subject right now.

They .

Not the first time the board provided a topic for sports radio discussion.

(09-10-2019 09:56 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-10-2019 09:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Geoff and Gary going at it about this subject right now.

They .

Not the first time the board provided a topic for sports radio discussion.

Exactly what I was thinking.