(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

Norvell on Adair

(09-09-2019 12:06 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

I think the only thing sillier than arguing that Brady White is vindicated based on his performance against an FCS defense is arguing that Adair is somehow the answer based on his performance against an FCS defense that hasn't prepared for him, in the second half of a blowout, that is probably some combination of disinterested, worn out and/or playing second stringers.

Exactly but the grass is always greener...

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

(09-09-2019 12:06 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

I think the only thing sillier than arguing that Brady White is vindicated based on his performance against an FCS defense is arguing that Adair is somehow the answer based on his performance against an FCS defense that hasn't prepared for him, in the second half of a blowout, that is probably some combination of disinterested, worn out and/or playing second stringers.

An assinine argument on your part. ONCE AGAIN your opponent has no effect on arm strength.

The guy is a career 64.4% passer(better than Lynch and Ferguson). 7th in career TDs passes and 8th in career passing yards after just 16 games.

WHAT IN F'N HELL DO YOU WANT FROM THE GUY????

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

I know that but people are using two standards. One is saying that White only did well because he was playing against inferior competition. The other is saying look how well Adair did in this game but ignoring the inferior competition part.

(09-09-2019 12:23 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

I know that but people are using two standards. One is saying that White only did well because he was playing against inferior competition. The other is saying look how well Adair did in this game but ignoring the inferior competition part.

Gotcha. And really is does not matter in the end. White is not losing his job unless he is injured (which no fan would root for) or he has a complete melt down (again which no fan would root for).

(09-09-2019 08:00 AM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 03:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 06:46 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 06:46 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  70% comps. 114 QB rating.
Yes, clown, go away.

Did you watch the game?

Through just 16 games he is 8th in CAREER passing and 7th in CAREER TD passes.

We need to find more players who hold back the team as much as he is doing.

Brady is the man right now, but everybody needs to quit throwing out stats when justifying this and that.

So, let's not evaluate on FACTS (stats), we should just believe your lying eyes instead?

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter. I'm not saying it. The whole premise of this thread was to point out some of his limitations as a quarterback, as an athlete, and how it effects our offense.

He's slow of foot which makes no sense to run an RPO offense. Nobody is going to buy him as a threat to run. His inability to throw a deep ball with any consistency limits his ability to keep defenses from stacking the box. If we play a good team with a good secondary, I'm daring this guy to beat me deep. I'll stop the run and make this guy beat me with his arm. So far he's not had much luck against top tier teams.

It's just his second season so let's see how it all plays out. I just hope Norvell isn't having to make too many adjustments based on his limitations.

One of the announcers mentioned Norvell said White was an outstanding leader and manager of the game. Well how bout Norvell focus on being the leader and manager of the team, and just have White focus on making the plays. So far he's doing a pretty good job, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking his ceiling is any higher than it is.

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

And the only reason we were "shut out" in the 2nd half is because we decided NOT to score and hand the ball back over. It wasnt because Ole Miss prevented us from scoring.

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

Sure and he "completed" 100% of hand offs without any fumbles. Percentages do not matter if they do not translate into moving the ball and scoring. So, 14 of 16 is a great percentage unless they are short passes, essentially screen passes...

22 yards
Incomplete
8 yards
Interception
23 yards
Sacked
8 yards
14 yards
10 yards
-3 yards (4th and 1)
23 yards
3 yards
Sacked
3 yards
Sacked
11 yards
4 yards

14 of 16 for an average of 8.79 yards per completion or 7.75 yards per attempt.

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

(09-09-2019 11:53 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 10:15 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 10:03 PM)mem-x Wrote:  In my mind, the bottom line is that for several seasons now, we've had QBs who possessed the skill set to literally take a team on their shoulders and win a game. It didn't always happen but, we all KNEW it was there. As fine a kid as Mr. White is and as much as MN likes him, none of us, (if we're really honest with ourselves), is confident that Brady possesses those skill sets.

He's your QB and that's fine. I'm good with it .. hell, there's no alternative and maybe there shouldn't be. But it would be wonderful to KNOW you had a QB with the proven track record and big-time arm to give his team mates the feeling that they're never out of it. I don't know if Brady has instilled that as of yet.

And please do not mistake this as advocating for his replacement - I believe it's simply a statement of fact .. or certainly an opinion anyway.

Ok, honestly don't you think a lot of Riley and Paxton was because of the phenomenal WRs they played with as well?! You do realize Pax played with 4 NFL receivers (counting Cross at TE) and Riley had 2 and a DEEP and proven corps of WRs. (since I don't want to appear as blaming our WRs, they are just young. I think there is a lot of talent, it's just young)

If he's OUR (giving you the benefit of the doubt) QB, why even bash him? The team now seems to have A LOT of confidence in him, so shouldn't we trust them?

Is this some kind of a joke or are you seriously this dumb. 4 NFL receivers? Miller, Cross and who else? Mayhue and Frazier? If you are using that criteria, you can easily argue that Coxie, Pollard, Magnifico and Dykes are NFL receivers.

All last year we heard that we had no deep threats. Pollard, who ran a 4.52 I guess couldn't get open and neither could Coxie who is just as fast or faster, nor could anyone else. Mayhue who ran a 4.67, and Frazier who ran a 4.6 apparently could.

You also fail to mention that last year, we had our greatest season in our history rushing the ball, AND we had a very good line with a lot of experience, all wasted by White. We rushed for 1,457 more yards last year than Ferguson's last season, and 1,686 more than Lynch's last season.

Quote:(since I don't want to appear as blaming our WRs, they are just young.

This illustrates perfectly the lengths you will go to in order to avoid being critical of White. This is easily the most dumb of all the dumb points you have made.

SR Pop
SR Jones
SR Dykes
SR Magnifico
SR Gibson
JR Coxie

Seriously, just admit that this point is stupid; be honest.

Sorry, I didn't realize that like Riley played with in 3 SR players that had 4 years starting or playing heavy minutes, that Pop was a 4 year starter... oh wait, nope. Jones was a 4 year starter, once again nope. Gibson is a JUCO so only played here one year. I've made no statement negating that we have very good TEs that are underutilized. Coxie, who is only a second year player, last season was his first as a starter.
But other than Coxie, just how many of our WRs do you see playing in the NFL?!! See one of us shows their stupidity on a regular basis when they attack an argument that isn't being made.

Just admit that you don't actually know this team. Watching from Canada is NOT the same as being at the stadium and you're a *******. Oh wait, you don't have to admit it because everyone already knows it.

Quote:But other than Coxie, just how many of our WRs do you see playing in the NFL?!!

You are calling Frazier and Mayhue NFL wide receivers. Neither has a catch in a regular season game. Cross had 102 yards for his career. By that criteria, Coxie, Pollard, Magnifico and Dykes are NFL receivers.

Quote:Coxie, who is only a second year player, last season was his first as a starter.

Watching from Canada, I know and even a complete ninny knows that it is Coxie's 3rd season. You apparently don't. Adding "Just admit that you don't actually know this team" was a nice touch. Good work.

If you are still arguing that our receivers are young, you should seriously see a doctor.

(09-09-2019 12:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I see Brady Davis was 8-22 for 130 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's vs. Moorehead State this week.

David "Lamar Jackson Jr." Moore was 3-11 for 1 yard passing but did run once for (-3) yards.

Clearly, Norvell failed the Tiger fanbase when evaluating the relative talents of White vs. Moore and Davis.

I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

And the only reason we were "shut out" in the 2nd half is because we decided NOT to score and hand the ball back over. It wasnt because Ole Miss prevented us from scoring.

Okay... We were shut out every possession of the 2nd half until the final drive when we got the ball down to the 20 with one minute left and took 2 knees... AKA for all intents and purposes we were completely shut out in the 2nd half...

(09-09-2019 01:07 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:11 PM)mairving Wrote:  I honestly don't get this thread. White was 17-21 2 TD's no INT's and 337 yards and people are wanting to bench him for the guy that threw for 61 yards. I thought White had some really good throws in this game. First quarter he had a nice 40 or 50 yard pass right on the money to Coxie in stride but Coxie couldn't pull it in. He didn't really have much separation though. White is best as a pocket passer when he has time. He's not great throwing on the move or when the pocket collapses. Southern didn't put much pressure at all on our qb's. You would have to see how Adair throws on the run or under pressure to make a better comparison. White is going to remain at QB unless he gets hurt.

The thread was started after the Ole Miss game where we were shutout in the 2nd half... I do not think anyone disputes that White is good against inferior competition like Southern.

You do know that he only went 14 for 16 in the second half against OM.

And the only reason we were "shut out" in the 2nd half is because we decided NOT to score and hand the ball back over. It wasnt because Ole Miss prevented us from scoring.

Okay... We were shut out every possession of the 2nd half until the final drive when we got the ball down to the 20 with one minute left and took 2 knees... AKA for all intents and purposes we were completely shut out in the 2nd half...

Yea, the drive that lasted half of the 4th quarter by itself.

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

.

Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

(09-09-2019 02:22 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

.

Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

Obviously, the one that completed the pass for the touchdown.

(09-09-2019 02:22 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

.

Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

Did you watch the game? White had multiple throws more than 20 yards downfield. More completions than incompletions.

(09-09-2019 02:28 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 02:22 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So, what we're saying is Norvell (like all of the experts here) really knows Adair>>>White.

But, Mike just would rather play Brady because....?

That's a Strawmans argument. Nobody is saying White shouldn't be the starter.

The thread title.

Literally.

.

Yeah, well try reading it again. The title sounds like a question to me. Was the OP an insinuation he shouldn't be the starter? Probably/maybe

Without reading every post, I didn't see any that said we should bench Brady White. If someone did, that would certainly be foolish at this point in time. Just be mindful of his limitations and don't get overwhelmed by meaningless stats.

White threw a short sideline pass that went for a 50 yard touchdown thanks to Gibson. Gibson made that play. Adair throws a perfect ball 50yds in the air that gets dropped.

White is 1-1 with a 50yd touchdown. Adair is o-1 for no yards and credited with an incomplete pass. Which QB was more impressive on those two plays?

Did you watch the game? White had multiple throws more than 20 yards downfield. More completions than incompletions.

One of his best throws was around a 50 yards pass to Coxie. That pass was perfectly thrown but Coxie was covered pretty well. He still almost caught it.