(09-01-2019 01:38 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 08:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 01:23 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-30-2019 06:35 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2019 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Actually, Miami and Florida have played almost as many times, 56, as FSU and Miami have, 63; and as Florida and FSU have, also 63.

Miami vs Florida predates FSU vs Miami, heck it also predates Florida vs FSU, and when the teams play, it certainly has a rivalry feel to it, as it did Saturday night.

Just because teams don't play every year doesn't mean they aren't rivals.

So they are rivals? I lived in Florida for 40 years and that was never publicized in any way that I remember. I could be biased, though since I used to be a FSU fan.

Personally, I do not think UF wants to be a rivalry with any Florida team.

Well that is funny my parents are both Florida alumni and they both consider Florida State and Miami to be rivals. Not sure why you would think that Florida does not want to be rivals with FSU unless we are talking pre-Bowden.

https://www.garnetandgreat.com/2010/03/h...state.html

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Ok I knew about all of that already but considering that I said "unless we are talking pre Bowden" your article does not disagree with me as that article was about the time before Bowden was coach. Yes the status quo was very different back then but ever since Bowden made FSU a household name in Florida as a football power FSU has been one of the biggest if not the biggest game on the schedule. Remember too that FSU has changed quite a bit over that time. There was a time when FSU was a Women's college and this story takes place not that long after that (FSU went back to being coeducational after WW2) so yeah it really is not all that surprising that UF was not as willing to schedule such an upstart at the time but fast forward to today and it is very different.

This is FSU, not UM. Tell me where UM is anything of a rival. So UF wanted to play these schools, but were they actual "rivals". As far as I remember, UG was more of a rival than the Florida teams were.

(09-02-2019 05:57 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 01:38 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 08:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 01:23 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-30-2019 06:35 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  So they are rivals? I lived in Florida for 40 years and that was never publicized in any way that I remember. I could be biased, though since I used to be a FSU fan.

Personally, I do not think UF wants to be a rivalry with any Florida team.

Well that is funny my parents are both Florida alumni and they both consider Florida State and Miami to be rivals. Not sure why you would think that Florida does not want to be rivals with FSU unless we are talking pre-Bowden.

https://www.garnetandgreat.com/2010/03/h...state.html

Please read

Ok I knew about all of that already but considering that I said "unless we are talking pre Bowden" your article does not disagree with me as that article was about the time before Bowden was coach. Yes the status quo was very different back then but ever since Bowden made FSU a household name in Florida as a football power FSU has been one of the biggest if not the biggest game on the schedule. Remember too that FSU has changed quite a bit over that time. There was a time when FSU was a Women's college and this story takes place not that long after that (FSU went back to being coeducational after WW2) so yeah it really is not all that surprising that UF was not as willing to schedule such an upstart at the time but fast forward to today and it is very different.

This is FSU, not UM. Tell me where UM is anything of a rival. So UF wanted to play these schools, but were they actual "rivals". As far as I remember, UG was more of a rival than the Florida teams were.

Well outside of family and friends that are Florida and Miami alumni who do think of them as rivals there is also the case that they have a trophy that they used to play for in the Seminole War Canoe which is now on permanent display in Miami. Currently the all three Florida teams play for the Florida Cup if they all get to play each other. Obviously the big hang up is Florida and Miami but until 1988 they essentially played each other every year and only stopped playing due to the SEC going to 8 games which Florida decided they needed to keep more dedicated home games for the money and so it in their view restricted how much they could play Miami if they were to keep FSU on the schedule as a home and home.

As for Georgia no Miami is not as big a rival for the Gators as UGA but I never suggested that to be the case. I only am suggesting that Miami is a major rival for UF but certainly not the most important one. I will say that how big of a rival depends on the time period in question for instance while in general UT is not as big a rival for UF as UGA is in the 90s the Vols were certainly the bigger rival what with the combo of that game being so important and with Spurrior and his feelings toward that univeristy.

If I was going for a top five overall all time Florida rivals in order of importance (this being overall so it may not be currently the biggest feeling rival but as a whole it may be ) this would be my list.

1. Georgia. Game is an event and clearly has the most tradition. Some decades this game is not quite as fierce as some other games but regardless I feel overall this is the single biggest rival (though when I was a kid I did not feel that way because other rivals felt much bigger).

2. FSU- It took a while to get there but I feel that it has earned its way up there and by the 90s this game was intense. Heck at that time you would be forgiven thinking that it was actually the most important rivalry (and probably was at the time but again I am trying to contextualize this over all its history not any one time frame).

3. Miami- Only other school that has a trophy, in state, and since at least the 80s a culture difference makes for a game from what I have seen is still a big game for the alumni I have met (granted most of them are family so I cannot claim to know the feelings of all alumni rather just the ones I know. To be fair though it has never seem to occur to any of us to even wonder if Miami was a rival as to us it would seem fairly obvious but maybe it is not to others). Named games include the "Gator Flop", "Why the Field Goal?", and "Again why the field goal?". There was even a game where UF fans were throwing oranges at the Miami football team, very weird stuff.

4. Auburn- I feel this one floats under the radar for some but this is an important game with a lot of history and a lot of upsets. I put this above my number 5 due to shared history and the importance of so many of the games.

5. LSU/Tennessee- If this was just my experience I would certainly say the Vols would be the bigger rival, perhaps even bigger than Auburn, but looking at the actual history I believe I only feel that way because when I was watching Florida football that was the heyday of the rivalry. If you look at the totality of it Florida has much more history with LSU but at the same time I have never gotten the feeling from myself or any of the Florida fans I know that it is bigger than Tennessee (of course that could be the fault of how big rivalry with the Vols became in the 90s rather than a true feeling of how things were over the totality of history).


Miami is not the biggest rival but I would certainly call it a rival and a fairly high level one. I will admit though that Miami is a terrible sports town so if Miami is not playing at the highest of levels you are only going to get something like half the energy from the Miami side of things that you would expect from say FSU. Miami is much more band wagon oriented (which is essentially true for all things in Miami not just the Hurricanes).

(09-03-2019 01:04 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 05:57 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 01:38 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 08:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 01:23 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Well that is funny my parents are both Florida alumni and they both consider Florida State and Miami to be rivals. Not sure why you would think that Florida does not want to be rivals with FSU unless we are talking pre-Bowden.

https://www.garnetandgreat.com/2010/03/h...state.html

Please read

Ok I knew about all of that already but considering that I said "unless we are talking pre Bowden" your article does not disagree with me as that article was about the time before Bowden was coach. Yes the status quo was very different back then but ever since Bowden made FSU a household name in Florida as a football power FSU has been one of the biggest if not the biggest game on the schedule. Remember too that FSU has changed quite a bit over that time. There was a time when FSU was a Women's college and this story takes place not that long after that (FSU went back to being coeducational after WW2) so yeah it really is not all that surprising that UF was not as willing to schedule such an upstart at the time but fast forward to today and it is very different.

This is FSU, not UM. Tell me where UM is anything of a rival. So UF wanted to play these schools, but were they actual "rivals". As far as I remember, UG was more of a rival than the Florida teams were.

Well outside of family and friends that are Florida and Miami alumni who do think of them as rivals there is also the case that they have a trophy that they used to play for in the Seminole War Canoe which is now on permanent display in Miami. Currently the all three Florida teams play for the Florida Cup if they all get to play each other. Obviously the big hang up is Florida and Miami but until 1988 they essentially played each other every year and only stopped playing due to the SEC going to 8 games which Florida decided they needed to keep more dedicated home games for the money and so it in their view restricted how much they could play Miami if they were to keep FSU on the schedule as a home and home.

As for Georgia no Miami is not as big a rival for the Gators as UGA but I never suggested that to be the case. I only am suggesting that Miami is a major rival for UF but certainly not the most important one. I will say that how big of a rival depends on the time period in question for instance while in general UT is not as big a rival for UF as UGA is in the 90s the Vols were certainly the bigger rival what with the combo of that game being so important and with Spurrior and his feelings toward that univeristy.

If I was going for a top five overall all time Florida rivals in order of importance (this being overall so it may not be currently the biggest feeling rival but as a whole it may be ) this would be my list.

1. Georgia. Game is an event and clearly has the most tradition. Some decades this game is not quite as fierce as some other games but regardless I feel overall this is the single biggest rival (though when I was a kid I did not feel that way because other rivals felt much bigger).

2. FSU- It took a while to get there but I feel that it has earned its way up there and by the 90s this game was intense. Heck at that time you would be forgiven thinking that it was actually the most important rivalry (and probably was at the time but again I am trying to contextualize this over all its history not any one time frame).

3. Miami- Only other school that has a trophy, in state, and since at least the 80s a culture difference makes for a game from what I have seen is still a big game for the alumni I have met (granted most of them are family so I cannot claim to know the feelings of all alumni rather just the ones I know. To be fair though it has never seem to occur to any of us to even wonder if Miami was a rival as to us it would seem fairly obvious but maybe it is not to others). Named games include the "Gator Flop", "Why the Field Goal?", and "Again why the field goal?". There was even a game where UF fans were throwing oranges at the Miami football team, very weird stuff.

4. Auburn- I feel this one floats under the radar for some but this is an important game with a lot of history and a lot of upsets. I put this above my number 5 due to shared history and the importance of so many of the games.

5. LSU/Tennessee- If this was just my experience I would certainly say the Vols would be the bigger rival, perhaps even bigger than Auburn, but looking at the actual history I believe I only feel that way because when I was watching Florida football that was the heyday of the rivalry. If you look at the totality of it Florida has much more history with LSU but at the same time I have never gotten the feeling from myself or any of the Florida fans I know that it is bigger than Tennessee (of course that could be the fault of how big rivalry with the Vols became in the 90s rather than a true feeling of how things were over the totality of history).


Miami is not the biggest rival but I would certainly call it a rival and a fairly high level one. I will admit though that Miami is a terrible sports town so if Miami is not playing at the highest of levels you are only going to get something like half the energy from the Miami side of things that you would expect from say FSU. Miami is much more band wagon oriented (which is essentially true for all things in Miami not just the Hurricanes).

I still think of a rival as one that a school wants to play each year.

FSU was forced on them and Miami, is a convenience when UF feels like scheduling them. I know that UF is already set with FSU, and UF wants those home games which Miami will is not a pay game.

It could be a rivalry, but money gets in the way.

I do not personally think that playing every year currently is a condition needed to be a rival. I would not personally put a school like Vandy as being more of a rival than Auburn just because Vandy is played every year but UF does not get to play Auburn every year anymore. Heck I personally would not say that LSU is a bigger rival than Auburn just because UF has to play them every year.

As a better example Missouri and Kansas do not play anymore are they no longer rivals? I would certainly consider them rivals, horribly toxic ones, but still rivals.

Every year? Try 7 times since 2000. I believe there is no real rivalry between schools, they have only played 7 times in almost two decades. Maybe other conditions that a school wants to play another to help with other factors, sure, like recruiting, but if you are posting that games played do not matter, I do not agree. Maybe you should post this on the ACC board to hear what Miami fans think.