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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
I think the Cronin v Minter comparisons are solid.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-22-2019 12:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: I'm going to say that there were more "similarities" between Mick Cronin and Rick Minter than there were between Cronin and Tuberville...
Both Cronin and Minter had "Success" at UC.
Both Cronin and Minter had "taken the program as far as he could go..." and it became obvious that they could not take "the next step" or move "to the next level."
Both Cronin and Minter were stubborn and demanded their will be imposed on their players...whether the players were "happy" about it or not. (Remember the knee braces?)
Both Cronin and Minter failed to recruit "local talent"...Minter because he said he didn't want to "waste his time trying to recruit kids who would never come to UC" and Mick, well, for whatever reasons.
I think Minter is one of the under-rated coaches at UC...I look pretty favorably on the job he did overall. (And yes, I have thoroughly "let go" of his tenure and "moved on.") My hope is that, as time moves on, I will have a similar reaction to Mick's time. Quickly my frustration at Mick is fading and I have no real ill feelings about Mick jumping ship. I think he and Minter both hit their ceilings here...which is not a terrible thing. Better to "hit your ceiling" than to have "unrealized potential."
C'est la vie.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-22-2019 12:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: I'm going to say that there were more "similarities" between Mick Cronin and Rick Minter than there were between Cronin and Tuberville...
Both Cronin and Minter had "Success" at UC.
Both Cronin and Minter had "taken the program as far as he could go..." and it became obvious that they could not take "the next step" or move "to the next level."
Both Cronin and Minter were stubborn and demanded their will be imposed on their players...whether the players were "happy" about it or not. (Remember the knee braces?)
Both Cronin and Minter failed to recruit "local talent"...Minter because he said he didn't want to "waste his time trying to recruit kids who would never come to UC" and Mick, well, for whatever reasons.
I think Minter is one of the under-rated coaches at UC...I look pretty favorably on the job he did overall. (And yes, I have thoroughly "let go" of his tenure and "moved on.") My hope is that, as time moves on, I will have a similar reaction to Mick's time. Quickly my frustration at Mick is fading and I have no real ill feelings about Mick jumping ship. I think he and Minter both hit their ceilings here...which is not a terrible thing. Better to "hit your ceiling" than to have "unrealized potential."
C'est la vie.
Didn't Minter get Gino Guidugli?
Just sayin'...
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-25-2019 01:46 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote: (06-22-2019 12:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: I'm going to say that there were more "similarities" between Mick Cronin and Rick Minter than there were between Cronin and Tuberville...
Both Cronin and Minter had "Success" at UC.
Both Cronin and Minter had "taken the program as far as he could go..." and it became obvious that they could not take "the next step" or move "to the next level."
Both Cronin and Minter were stubborn and demanded their will be imposed on their players...whether the players were "happy" about it or not. (Remember the knee braces?)
Both Cronin and Minter failed to recruit "local talent"...Minter because he said he didn't want to "waste his time trying to recruit kids who would never come to UC" and Mick, well, for whatever reasons.
I think Minter is one of the under-rated coaches at UC...I look pretty favorably on the job he did overall. (And yes, I have thoroughly "let go" of his tenure and "moved on.") My hope is that, as time moves on, I will have a similar reaction to Mick's time. Quickly my frustration at Mick is fading and I have no real ill feelings about Mick jumping ship. I think he and Minter both hit their ceilings here...which is not a terrible thing. Better to "hit your ceiling" than to have "unrealized potential."
C'est la vie.
Didn't Minter get Gino Guidugli?
Just sayin'...
He did, but Gino was an exception. And, dare I say it, Gino was from "across the river." Minter was well known for not even trying with the local Cincinnati schools and he would flat-out say that he didn't think he (and UC) "had a chance" with the local talent and so he didn't want to "waste time trying to chase a kid who would never come here."
And, I'll even give Minter a brief nod to the fact that we were playing in CUSA at that time...a CUSA that was still a basketball-centric creation. So Minter was fighting an uphill battle with the Big Ten, Notre Dame, and even the Big East and the MAC which were all established as football conferences and would raid the Cincinnati High Schools with impunity. But to completely disregard the local talent and not even make an effort...insanity.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
He got lucky to get Gino. Gino committed to UK and then pulled out when they got busted by the NCAA.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
Just off the top of my head minter recruited antwan peek, trent Cole and andre frazier...
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-25-2019 09:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: Just off the top of my head minter recruited antwan peek, trent Cole and andre frazier...
Dejuan Gossett. Some of safeties whose names escape me right now. They might have been transfers.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Pretty sure tate was a Murphy recruit. Also I was specifically trying to name local recruits.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Jason Fabini. Possibly our best LT ever.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 11:21 AM)Dannyboy Wrote: (06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Jason Fabini. Possibly our best LT ever.
that's him....he was awesome
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 11:21 AM)Dannyboy Wrote: (06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Jason Fabini. Possibly our best LT ever.
Artrell Hawkins was from Johnstown PA - of great flood fame.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 07:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: (06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Pretty sure tate was a Murphy recruit. Also I was specifically trying to name local recruits.
Jason Fabini.
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RE: Cronin vs Tubs: Same or Different?
(06-26-2019 03:25 PM)chatcat Wrote: (06-26-2019 07:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: (06-26-2019 07:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: What about Brad Jackson, Robert Tate, Artrell Hawkins, and there was a big O-tackle around 95 or 96 who went pro...cannot remember his name. He was 6'7 or some such. Really good.
Pretty sure tate was a Murphy recruit. Also I was specifically trying to name local recruits.
Jason Fabini.
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