(06-12-2019 07:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 06:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:05 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 10:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  I've been hearing about this for quite some time. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, the ACC would welcome Notre Dame and Texas as full members.

It is my opinion that Texas will continue to fight to commandeer their own conference much the same way ND fights for independence. Right now, the Big XII is stronger than any incarnation of the Big East football conference (a conference that was considered power, and then BCS). Even if Texas loses Oklahoma as a conference mate, the Big XII will still be considered a P5 league. So it comes down to what Texas wants. I say they continue to run their own ship with some hodgepodge of old SWC, Big 8, Big East, MWC, and C-USA teams.

My prediction: the Big XII remains P5 with or without Oklahoma, and the playoffs expand to 8 (although I believe 12 is ideal).

Yeah so would every conference in the country, but it's not going to happen. Texas isn't going to join an eastern conference. The ACC is the one power conference I can assure you they wont join. SEC, B1G or even the PAC. The PAC is the one Power Conference that Texas has the best chance of throwing it's weight around in. They also have the most room for the Longhorns to bring some friends with them.

Oh and Notre Dame isn't joining any conference.

When I said 4 conferences and 4 slots I didn't mean on the books autobids, but assumed autobids with a top 4 ranked Irish team getting in over a conference champ

Texas, Miami, and FSU has a nice Gulf Coast ring to it.

I'll tell you what Texas won't do: they won't join a Northern/Midwestern league and they won't follow their little brother to the SEC. Why? They don't have to and besides, why haven't they done it already?

The Pac? I don't think they like the time zone, so that leaves the ACC, the one conference that is both mainly Southern and an academic fit.

Regardless, your four conference theory makes absolutely no sense if you weren't implying auto-bids. Why does it matter if there are four power conferences then? Texas will not join those other conferences when they can run the Big XII, and independence doesn't really make sense then either.

I love the ACC fans here, they can talk themselves into anything. hahahaha Texas is a gulf coast school now huh?

I suppose they could relocate to Galveston. What puzzles me is that the ACC really doesn't have anyone on the Gulf. Florida State may be the closest and by water Miami could at least reach the Gulf. But that's it. And absolutely no discussion is ever made as to how the Texas non revenue sports would access the ACC and do so at great expense in travel and lost time for student athletes. Texas will never go that route.

Exactly! and if ND doesn't join for FB you're talking 16-17 all sports. I know the old BE did 16 but 17 is just insane for a basketball conference. Lots of schools get lost in the shuffle of a conference that big.

(06-12-2019 07:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 06:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:05 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 10:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  I've been hearing about this for quite some time. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, the ACC would welcome Notre Dame and Texas as full members.

It is my opinion that Texas will continue to fight to commandeer their own conference much the same way ND fights for independence. Right now, the Big XII is stronger than any incarnation of the Big East football conference (a conference that was considered power, and then BCS). Even if Texas loses Oklahoma as a conference mate, the Big XII will still be considered a P5 league. So it comes down to what Texas wants. I say they continue to run their own ship with some hodgepodge of old SWC, Big 8, Big East, MWC, and C-USA teams.

My prediction: the Big XII remains P5 with or without Oklahoma, and the playoffs expand to 8 (although I believe 12 is ideal).

Yeah so would every conference in the country, but it's not going to happen. Texas isn't going to join an eastern conference. The ACC is the one power conference I can assure you they wont join. SEC, B1G or even the PAC. The PAC is the one Power Conference that Texas has the best chance of throwing it's weight around in. They also have the most room for the Longhorns to bring some friends with them.

Oh and Notre Dame isn't joining any conference.

When I said 4 conferences and 4 slots I didn't mean on the books autobids, but assumed autobids with a top 4 ranked Irish team getting in over a conference champ

Texas, Miami, and FSU has a nice Gulf Coast ring to it.

I'll tell you what Texas won't do: they won't join a Northern/Midwestern league and they won't follow their little brother to the SEC. Why? They don't have to and besides, why haven't they done it already?

The Pac? I don't think they like the time zone, so that leaves the ACC, the one conference that is both mainly Southern and an academic fit.

Regardless, your four conference theory makes absolutely no sense if you weren't implying auto-bids. Why does it matter if there are four power conferences then? Texas will not join those other conferences when they can run the Big XII, and independence doesn't really make sense then either.

I love the ACC fans here, they can talk themselves into anything. hahahaha Texas is a gulf coast school now huh?

I suppose they could relocate to Galveston. What puzzles me is that the ACC really doesn't have anyone on the Gulf. Florida State may be the closest and by water Miami could at least reach the Gulf. But that's it. And absolutely no discussion is ever made as to how the Texas non revenue sports would access the ACC and do so at great expense in travel and lost time for student athletes. Texas will never go that route.

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(06-12-2019 06:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:05 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 10:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 07:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  You better hope theirs no contraction because if the ACC kicks out members the newest ones are going first. But thats not going to happen, no one is kicking any one out of their conference especially at the P5 level.

Expansion will happen once the XII contract is coming to an end. College football hasn't reached it's final form yet for you Dragon Ball fans out there. 4 conferences for 4 playoff slots. Mark it down, it's going to happen.

I've been hearing about this for quite some time. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, the ACC would welcome Notre Dame and Texas as full members.

It is my opinion that Texas will continue to fight to commandeer their own conference much the same way ND fights for independence. Right now, the Big XII is stronger than any incarnation of the Big East football conference (a conference that was considered power, and then BCS). Even if Texas loses Oklahoma as a conference mate, the Big XII will still be considered a P5 league. So it comes down to what Texas wants. I say they continue to run their own ship with some hodgepodge of old SWC, Big 8, Big East, MWC, and C-USA teams.

My prediction: the Big XII remains P5 with or without Oklahoma, and the playoffs expand to 8 (although I believe 12 is ideal).

Yeah so would every conference in the country, but it's not going to happen. Texas isn't going to join an eastern conference. The ACC is the one power conference I can assure you they wont join. SEC, B1G or even the PAC. The PAC is the one Power Conference that Texas has the best chance of throwing it's weight around in. They also have the most room for the Longhorns to bring some friends with them.

Oh and Notre Dame isn't joining any conference.

When I said 4 conferences and 4 slots I didn't mean on the books autobids, but assumed autobids with a top 4 ranked Irish team getting in over a conference champ

Texas, Miami, and FSU has a nice Gulf Coast ring to it.

I'll tell you what Texas won't do: they won't join a Northern/Midwestern league and they won't follow their little brother to the SEC. Why? They don't have to and besides, why haven't they done it already?

The Pac? I don't think they like the time zone, so that leaves the ACC, the one conference that is both mainly Southern and an academic fit.

Regardless, your four conference theory makes absolutely no sense if you weren't implying auto-bids. Why does it matter if there are four power conferences then? Texas will not join those other conferences when they can run the Big XII, and independence doesn't really make sense then either.

I love the ACC fans here, they can talk themselves into anything. hahahaha Texas is a gulf coast school now huh?

...and there are 10 teams in the Big Ten!!!

The closest coast is the Gulf, it was a play on the ACC. Sheeeeesh. Tough crowd.

(06-12-2019 07:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 06:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:05 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 10:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  I've been hearing about this for quite some time. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, the ACC would welcome Notre Dame and Texas as full members.

It is my opinion that Texas will continue to fight to commandeer their own conference much the same way ND fights for independence. Right now, the Big XII is stronger than any incarnation of the Big East football conference (a conference that was considered power, and then BCS). Even if Texas loses Oklahoma as a conference mate, the Big XII will still be considered a P5 league. So it comes down to what Texas wants. I say they continue to run their own ship with some hodgepodge of old SWC, Big 8, Big East, MWC, and C-USA teams.

My prediction: the Big XII remains P5 with or without Oklahoma, and the playoffs expand to 8 (although I believe 12 is ideal).

Yeah so would every conference in the country, but it's not going to happen. Texas isn't going to join an eastern conference. The ACC is the one power conference I can assure you they wont join. SEC, B1G or even the PAC. The PAC is the one Power Conference that Texas has the best chance of throwing it's weight around in. They also have the most room for the Longhorns to bring some friends with them.

Oh and Notre Dame isn't joining any conference.

When I said 4 conferences and 4 slots I didn't mean on the books autobids, but assumed autobids with a top 4 ranked Irish team getting in over a conference champ

Texas, Miami, and FSU has a nice Gulf Coast ring to it.

I'll tell you what Texas won't do: they won't join a Northern/Midwestern league and they won't follow their little brother to the SEC. Why? They don't have to and besides, why haven't they done it already?

The Pac? I don't think they like the time zone, so that leaves the ACC, the one conference that is both mainly Southern and an academic fit.

Regardless, your four conference theory makes absolutely no sense if you weren't implying auto-bids. Why does it matter if there are four power conferences then? Texas will not join those other conferences when they can run the Big XII, and independence doesn't really make sense then either.

I love the ACC fans here, they can talk themselves into anything. hahahaha Texas is a gulf coast school now huh?

I suppose they could relocate to Galveston. What puzzles me is that the ACC really doesn't have anyone on the Gulf. Florida State may be the closest and by water Miami could at least reach the Gulf. But that's it. And absolutely no discussion is ever made as to how the Texas non revenue sports would access the ACC and do so at great expense in travel and lost time for student athletes. Texas will never go that route.

Texas has to fly pretty much anywhere unless they commandeer their own conference which is, wait for it, what I said in the first place.

If it comes to it, sorry they aren’t following little brother. It’s pretty much moot once the plane takes the sky. Texas has a more similar vision to Notre Dame than they do TAMU. Whether they land in Mississippi or Atlanta is their choice.

I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Louisville and Texas Tech will be the most prized commodities of the next realignment cycle.

(06-12-2019 08:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  ...and there are 10 teams in the Big Ten!!!

At least, there are ten Big ones. Lessee, that makes (... gazinta, carry the one, discount by the Federal Funds rate, ...) four little ones.

Which are the four little ones is left as an exercise for the reader.

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Until global warming forces everyone back?

(06-13-2019 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Until global warming forces everyone back?

Ha! You mean all of the Northerners who retired to Florida move home and the Cajuns return to Quebec. The rest of the South will be just fine. It would take a fresh water shortage, which could happen, to force the re-populating of the Great Lakes and the populating of Canada.

But I'll give you this, the Southeast has become hotter and more humid than at anytime in my life and I'm not talking straight temperature but the combination. It's getting to be downright tropical at times down here.

(06-02-2019 06:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  Missouri is a better cultural and geographic fit for the Big Ten.

The Big Ten made a choice in 2010 between Nebraska and Missouri. Even with Nebraska's slide down from their glory days in football, Nebraska was the better choice.

Maryland was as much of an obvious opportunity for the Big Ten as Texas A&M was for the SEC. If Missouri had still been available at the time Maryland became available, then the Big Ten would have brought Missouri in with Maryland, but there isn't a good argument for taking Missouri over either Nebraska or Maryland.

(06-13-2019 10:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-02-2019 06:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  Missouri is a better cultural and geographic fit for the Big Ten.

The Big Ten made a choice in 2010 between Nebraska and Missouri. Even with Nebraska's slide down from their glory days in football, Nebraska was the better choice.

Maryland was as much of an obvious opportunity for the Big Ten as Texas A&M was for the SEC. If Missouri had still been available at the time Maryland became available, then the Big Ten would have brought Missouri in with Maryland, but there isn't a good argument for taking Missouri over either Nebraska or Maryland.

Yes, all around.

(06-13-2019 10:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Until global warming forces everyone back?

Ha! You mean all of the Northerners who retired to Florida move home and the Cajuns return to Quebec. The rest of the South will be just fine. It would take a fresh water shortage, which could happen, to force the re-populating of the Great Lakes and the populating of Canada.

But I'll give you this, the Southeast has become hotter and more humid than at anytime in my life and I'm not talking straight temperature but the combination. It's getting to be downright tropical at times down here.

Nova Scotia.

They ain't heading back, they love heat/humidity/swamps/wetlands here in Louisiana too much.

Louisiana already is what the most of the Southeastern coast may end up being like........

(06-13-2019 11:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 10:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Until global warming forces everyone back?

Ha! You mean all of the Northerners who retired to Florida move home and the Cajuns return to Quebec. The rest of the South will be just fine. It would take a fresh water shortage, which could happen, to force the re-populating of the Great Lakes and the populating of Canada.

But I'll give you this, the Southeast has become hotter and more humid than at anytime in my life and I'm not talking straight temperature but the combination. It's getting to be downright tropical at times down here.

Nova Scotia.

They ain't heading back, they love heat/humidity/swamps/wetlands here in Louisiana too much.

Louisiana already is what the most of the Southeastern coast may end up being like........

Well, their swamp will probably be in Baton Rouge once the rise in sea levels are factored in. But then they will have what is left of Florida after the snowbirds leave.

(06-13-2019 11:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 11:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 10:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

Until global warming forces everyone back?

Ha! You mean all of the Northerners who retired to Florida move home and the Cajuns return to Quebec. The rest of the South will be just fine. It would take a fresh water shortage, which could happen, to force the re-populating of the Great Lakes and the populating of Canada.

But I'll give you this, the Southeast has become hotter and more humid than at anytime in my life and I'm not talking straight temperature but the combination. It's getting to be downright tropical at times down here.

Nova Scotia.

They ain't heading back, they love heat/humidity/swamps/wetlands here in Louisiana too much.

Louisiana already is what the most of the Southeastern coast may end up being like........

Well, their swamp will probably be in Baton Rouge once the rise in sea levels are factored in. But then they will have what is left of Florida after the snowbirds leave.

BTW the highest elevation in Florida is 87' above sea level.

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

That's an ignorant statement. The Midwest is far from dead. The South and Southwest are growing faster, playing catch up after the advent of the air conditioner but I assure you the Midwest is not dead. There are places that have been hit hard due to industry moving overseas but we are very much alive. The Big Ten is still a media darling because Midwesterners and folks accross the nation tune in in droves to watch Big a Ten football and basketball.

(06-13-2019 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

That's an ignorant statement. The Midwest is far from dead. The South and Southwest are growing faster, playing catch up after the advent of the air conditioner but I assure you the Midwest is not dead. There are places that have been hit hard due to industry moving overseas but we are very much alive. The Big Ten is still a media darling because Midwesterners and folks accross the nation tune in in droves to watch Big a Ten football and basketball.

This whole thread is ridonculous. The B1G is now making $55m per school so obviously Delany did a helluva job in setting the B1G up. Was he 100% perfect? Of course not but nobody is. Overall, he did an outstanding job.

And the midwest clearly isn't dead. Heck one reason the B1G has such good bowl ties is that monied B1G alumni have moved to places like Florida, Arizona, and the northeast corridor.

And FWIW, I am someone who always rooted against the B1G in its various rivalries.

(06-13-2019 12:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Louisville and Texas Tech will be the most prized commodities of the next realignment cycle.

So you think Texas Tech will leave the Big 12 and that Louisville will leave the ACC?

(06-14-2019 01:42 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 12:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Louisville and Texas Tech will be the most prized commodities of the next realignment cycle.

So you think Texas Tech will leave the Big 12 and that Louisville will leave the ACC?

Louisville will never leave the ACC. Where else could they go that wasn't back to G5 purgatory?

They are extremely happy where they are.

(06-13-2019 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 11:26 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'd just like to point out that no P5 league is going to kick out 2 members just to increase their profit share. The next realignment move will be the Big Ten and/or SEC grabbing a big player from one of the other leagues.

I still think the ideal set up is allowing conference semi-finals and conferences could go to 3 divisions of 5 or 6 (15 or 18) with Divison winners and a wild card.

The only super conference left is SEC. B1G is dead because Midwest is dead. See how many empty houses in that region. People are moving south.

That's an ignorant statement. The Midwest is far from dead. The South and Southwest are growing faster, playing catch up after the advent of the air conditioner but I assure you the Midwest is not dead. There are places that have been hit hard due to industry moving overseas but we are very much alive. The Big Ten is still a media darling because Midwesterners and folks accross the nation tune in in droves to watch Big a Ten football and basketball.

Last time I checked Columbus and suburbs is one of the fastest growing cities in the country now at 13th or 14th in population size.