(02-15-2019 09:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:15 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.rollcall.com/news/trump-will-...t-expected
All he is doing is reallocating funds, so the legal experts think he can do it. He is not spending money that isn't appropriated.

legal experts agree he can declare a national emergency... they do not agree he can reallocate funds previously appropriated funds.

Try reading the article.

Mark Rom, a Georgetown University professor, said that should the matter get to the U.S. Supreme Court, he wouldn’t expect the justices to “challenge the president’s ability to declare a national emergency.”

“Now, on the question of whether the president’s claim that an emergency allows him to move the money around, it’s anyone’s guess just where the court might come down,” Rom said. “My expectation is this will play out like Trump’s initial travel ban: He will keep tinkering and keep tinkering until the courts decide it’s just within legal boundaries.”

(02-15-2019 09:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:15 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.rollcall.com/news/trump-will-...t-expected
All he is doing is reallocating funds, so the legal experts think he can do it. He is not spending money that isn't appropriated.

legal experts agree he can declare a national emergency... they do not agree he can reallocate funds previously appropriated funds.

Try reading the article.

Mark Rom, a Georgetown University professor, said that should the matter get to the U.S. Supreme Court, he wouldn’t expect the justices to “challenge the president’s ability to declare a national emergency.”

“Now, on the question of whether the president’s claim that an emergency allows him to move the money around, it’s anyone’s guess just where the court might come down,” Rom said. “My expectation is this will play out like Trump’s initial travel ban: He will keep tinkering and keep tinkering until the courts decide it’s just within legal boundaries.”

isn't that one of the reasons congress continually creates/changes laws???

(02-14-2019 06:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  A Democrat President in the future could Declare A National Emergency and banned all guns. Trump is over stepping his bounds. The only time you call for a national emergency if we are attacked by another country or terrorists, and national disasters. There is no emergency to declare.

1,000 illegals have been arrested just in Texas for murder from 2011-2017. It has been an emergency for decades. As it relates to the bold part,

Please have an original thought son.

Please supply an actual fact, dad.

Quote:Between June 1, 2011 and January 31, 2019, these 189,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 295,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 539 homicide charges.

Texas Criminal Illegal Alien Data

(02-14-2019 08:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  In the Constitution, Congress is the only one to put money where they wanted. Trump wants to grab money from other programs which would be against the Constitution. Even the Supreme Court would rule against Trump.

I believe there’s money in the Defense fund for security reasons.

El' Chapo is going to pay for it!!!!

Crime has continued to drop, and unemployment is at very low levels, despite decades of illegals coming across the border. You can argue you don't want illegals, but it doesn't seem like crime or jobs are a reason.

Are most of the people coming across the border Catholic? That would be a reason to keep them out, for some...

(02-15-2019 09:21 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:14 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 08:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  This diversion of funds is similar to Reagan's diversion of money from arms sales to Iran to the contras.... the American people spoke and said they did not support construction of a border wall and the Congress voted accordingly. Not accepting the political defeat... just as Reagan did not accept the will of the people... Trump has decided to allocate resources as he sees fit. Reagan altruistically believed the Contras deserved US support. Trump, on the other hand, is selfishly trying to come through on a campaign promise... a promise the American people have consistently rejected.

Trump’s main campaign promise was to build a wall. He was elected president on the promises he made and he has come through. Are you that blinded by hate that you completely deny reality? I believe the latest poll said 66% approved of the wall. That’s probably actually low. Get a grip on reality.

you've transposed the numbers. 60% opposed construction of the wall and 66% oppose declaring a national emergency to justify building a wall.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/soli...-wall.aspx

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010...eTDNT3km8g

These poll numbers mean essentially NOTHING. If you can remember that far back, all of the polls had Hillary winning the Electoral College votes - and the Presidency - handily over Donald Trump. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It was Trump that won handily.

Our own non-biased, voluntary poll taken here on the csnbbs forum to see how many are in favor or are opposed to building the wall is at 82% (55 votes) in favor, and just 18% (12 votes) opposed.

This poll is probably more accurate than any poll where the pollsters reach out to specific people that they call on themselves, and possibly only include responses that they want to have included in the poll so as to get the results they in some cases desired.

LINK - https://csnbbs.com/thread-869796-page-4.html

(02-14-2019 10:20 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Climate change will be a national emergency in 2021... maybe even a green new deal... all w/o congressional approval.

No it won’t.

On this we agree. It ALREADY IS a national emergency!

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

(02-15-2019 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

Looks like he missed doing the biggest and most obvious one of all ....

Blocking Foreigners from Illegally Invading our own country. #weaksauce

(02-15-2019 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

I highlighted the only one that had anything to do with the United States and could be remotely considered an emergency.

(02-15-2019 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

None appear to be National Emergencies to me at all. Vehemently opposed? Such inflammatory rhetoric there. The polls pointed out here asked people would they agree to a 30 foot concrete wall 2000 miles long. Ask the question to get the answer you want.
I hope the illegals y’all so ‘vehemently’ want to walk across the border take your job or rape your wife or daughter. Or perhaps rob and kill you rather than one of us who back Trump addressing this national problem. There, I said it.

(02-15-2019 10:22 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

None appear to be National Emergencies to me at all. Vehemently opposed? Such inflammatory rhetoric there. The polls pointed out here asked people would they agree to a 30 foot concrete wall 2000 miles long. Ask the question to get the answer you want.
I hope the illegals y’all so ‘vehemently’ want to walk across the border take your job or rape your wife or daughter. Or perhaps rob and kill you rather than one of us who back Trump addressing this national problem. There, I said it.

LOL.

You accuse me of using inflammatory rhetoric and then hope that my wife and daughter gets raped in the same breath...

Classy move, bud... Have a nice day!

(02-15-2019 10:22 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  There, I said it.

Shouldn't have.

Not a big deal. Apparently there are currently 30 National Emergencies in effect.

(02-15-2019 10:33 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Not a big deal. Apparently there are currently 30 National Emergencies in effect.

Damn impressive how quick you guys get on talking points. Every national emergency is foreign policy related too. Not domestic.

(02-15-2019 09:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:15 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 09:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.rollcall.com/news/trump-will-...t-expected
All he is doing is reallocating funds, so the legal experts think he can do it. He is not spending money that isn't appropriated.

legal experts agree he can declare a national emergency... they do not agree he can reallocate funds previously appropriated funds.

Try reading the article.

Mark Rom, a Georgetown University professor, said that should the matter get to the U.S. Supreme Court, he wouldn’t expect the justices to “challenge the president’s ability to declare a national emergency.”

“Now, on the question of whether the president’s claim that an emergency allows him to move the money around, it’s anyone’s guess just where the court might come down,” Rom said. “My expectation is this will play out like Trump’s initial travel ban: He will keep tinkering and keep tinkering until the courts decide it’s just within legal boundaries.”

No need to tinker with this one. The law says what the law says.

My conservative fb friends have this image floating around like Trump as Superman.


Nothing cult like about that at all!!!!!!!!!

Dear Leaderish for sure.

(02-15-2019 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  My conservative fb friends have this image floating around like Trump as Superman.


Nothing cult like about that at all!!!!!!!!!

Dear Leaderish for sure.

Lol. Do I really need to find the Obama meme that was probably copied? How easily the loyal Brownshirt Democrat Drone Army forgets.


https://www.google.com/search?q=image+og...wrMR09ULM:

(02-15-2019 10:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 10:33 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Not a big deal. Apparently there are currently 30 National Emergencies in effect.

Damn impressive how quick you guys get on talking points. Every national emergency is foreign policy related too. Not domestic.

lol, coming from the plagiarizer himself, that's special. I won't even get into the hypocrisy of your comment.

(02-15-2019 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 08:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 05:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  There's people crying that he's setting a precedent but it's all BS as in my mind Executive Orders aren't any different. Look at that "wonderful" Obamacare. He rammed that bill down our throats and didn't even blink an eye.

Do It Trump. Take more money than the 5.7 than you're asking.

I know I’m just catching up, so likely already pointed out.

But zerO declared I think 13 of these, slick willie another 17.

30 NATIONAL EMERGENCIES!!!
Are still in effect going back to the mid ‘70’s.

The Drumpfs done one in over two years?!?

He’s woefully behind historical schedule.

Let's just take a look at the National Emergencies declared under Obama.

-April 12, 2010: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Intended to help combat Somali pirates)

-February 25, 2011: Blocking Property of and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protesters were killed by government forces)

-July 24, 2011: Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Comorra)

-May 16, 2012: Blocking Property of Persons Threatening Peace, Security, or Stability in Yemen (Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution)

-March 6, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Imposed sanctions against Russia after their invasion and occupation of Crimea)

-April 3, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan)

-May 12, 2014: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic

-March 8, 2015: Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Imposed on high ranking officials in the Venezuelan government)

-April 1, 2015: Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Allowed sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime)

-November 22, 2015: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Imposed sanctions on four Burundian nationals in the wake of widespread unrest)


Now do any of these look like campaign promises that Obama couldn't get through Congress?

Are any of these vehemently opposed by roughly half the nation?

Also, assuming Trump does declare the wall a national emergency, it will be his fourth.

Except for the Mexican drug lords, none of these look like emergencies.