(12-04-2018 07:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 07:23 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 10:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  How many 6 year Sr's did UAB have this season? How many players did UAB get on transfers that did n;t have the grades to play the year they transfered to UAB but had their time stopped?

I honestly dont know if the number is 0 but I believe I read UAB was allowed to take kids which were basically prop 48 type that did not count towards the 4 in 5 rule.

Only time will tell if UAB made a mistake with this contract but I dont think there was a need to go this route this year. Doesn't Bill Clark still need a year or two in the Alabama State System before he is eligible for state retirement which pays him in the neighborhood of 200k for life?

How many coaches left a CUSA program for another G5 head coaching job? That risk was very low and at this point UAB was bidding against their self

Maybe we are showing faith in our coach and that means something to him? He has had every opportunity in the world to leave and for whatever reason didn’t. He seems to be very happy at UAB and I’m assuming our biggest boosters wanted to reward him for a job well done.

The guy has won everywhere he’s ever been. Do you remember the year before the shutdown? It certainly felt like UAB was trending in the right direction then too. In one offseason he took a team from a dumpster fire to bowl eligible. I think we probably take a step backwards next year, especially defensively, but that’s okay. Clark has done nothing to inidciate he can’t win under the rules in place for everybody else.

Anybody who wants to complain about the players we were able to recruit is free to contact their athletics dept and ask them to shutdown football and rebuild like so many of you think we decided to.

That's a school problem and really no different than hiring a bad coach that basically shuts a program down with bad coaching. Then it takes the school 3 years to recover from bad recruiting or to get the correct type of players for a different system

It still doesn't change the fact the NCAA allowed UAB special recruiting rules that allow them to take players that none of the rest of us could.

What your President did was a UAB's problem...it wasn't something any other school or the NCAA forced them to do.

I agree UAB got special rules. What else was the NCAA supposed to do? Have us recruit 85 in one offseason and hope nobody gets killed?

How about the year before the shutdown? You want to say we don’t know if it’s Clark or not, he turned that team around completely in one offseason.

(12-05-2018 10:18 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 07:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 07:23 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 10:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  How many 6 year Sr's did UAB have this season? How many players did UAB get on transfers that did n;t have the grades to play the year they transfered to UAB but had their time stopped?

I honestly dont know if the number is 0 but I believe I read UAB was allowed to take kids which were basically prop 48 type that did not count towards the 4 in 5 rule.

Only time will tell if UAB made a mistake with this contract but I dont think there was a need to go this route this year. Doesn't Bill Clark still need a year or two in the Alabama State System before he is eligible for state retirement which pays him in the neighborhood of 200k for life?

How many coaches left a CUSA program for another G5 head coaching job? That risk was very low and at this point UAB was bidding against their self

Maybe we are showing faith in our coach and that means something to him? He has had every opportunity in the world to leave and for whatever reason didn’t. He seems to be very happy at UAB and I’m assuming our biggest boosters wanted to reward him for a job well done.

The guy has won everywhere he’s ever been. Do you remember the year before the shutdown? It certainly felt like UAB was trending in the right direction then too. In one offseason he took a team from a dumpster fire to bowl eligible. I think we probably take a step backwards next year, especially defensively, but that’s okay. Clark has done nothing to inidciate he can’t win under the rules in place for everybody else.

Anybody who wants to complain about the players we were able to recruit is free to contact their athletics dept and ask them to shutdown football and rebuild like so many of you think we decided to.

That's a school problem and really no different than hiring a bad coach that basically shuts a program down with bad coaching. Then it takes the school 3 years to recover from bad recruiting or to get the correct type of players for a different system

It still doesn't change the fact the NCAA allowed UAB special recruiting rules that allow them to take players that none of the rest of us could.

What your President did was a UAB's problem...it wasn't something any other school or the NCAA forced them to do.

I agree UAB got special rules. What else was the NCAA supposed to do? Have us recruit 85 in one offseason and hope nobody gets killed?

How about the year before the shutdown? You want to say we don’t know if it’s Clark or not, he turned that team around completely in one offseason.

UAB had a 4 win gain from the year before....

3-9 Troy

Alabama A&M

8-5 Western with a new 1st time coach that had a 14 point lead in the 3rd qt and went for a 4th and 2 at his own 30...turned the game completely around

4-8 UNT

3-9 FAU

3-9 S. Miss

Frank Wilson took UTSA from 3-9 to 6-7
David Bailiff took Rice from a 3-9 to 10-2
Bobby Wilder took ODU from 6-6, 5-7 to 10-3
Butch Davis took FIU from 4-8 to 8-5
Lane Kiffin took FAU from 3-9 to 11-3


Big turn arounds in CUSA is usually the norm in CUSA...time will tell if Clark is the real deal or not. If it's a not, if his buyout is 1.5 million or more and I assume probably more. It's not going to be easy to walk away from for UAB.


Clark may be worth it but all along I've said UAB was bidding against theirself and didn't have to do this at this time. Bill Clark was not going anywhere that 1.5 million would have stopped him from going. It would have took more than that to get him away from UAB for a year or two more...what ever he's lacking before he gets his state pension in.

WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

Lol now we are going to knock the games he won? And one doesn’t even count because the WKU coach made a bad decision?

The pension thing can be easily looked up if you care that much. What the foundation is doing is showing faith and commitment to a great coach. Those people are largely the reason Clark is at UAB today. I’ll trust their judgement in the timing of those raise. Clark has earned enough goodwill that he could go 0-12 next year and his seat won’t even be warm yet.

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

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(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

I didn't see his name mentioned for any of the P5 vacancies, or at least in serious consideration for any of them. I believe someone has said that he's close to receiving his pension for the state of Alabama. So I'm sure he wants to get eligible for that before he considers leaving the state anyway. It will be interesting to see how UAB performs once all the special provisions are gone.

He was being mentioned for the Georgia Tech job.

For those of you that can't read between the lines, this salary is also about making a statement.

If he thought it was lightning in a bottle he would be gone.
His name would have been on list for most all openings had he been looking.
His defense was 2nd in the nation in 3rd down conversion allowed
Led CUSA in Tckles for loss and sacks.
Led the nation in 4th down conversions allowed.
Yet UAB did not have a 1st team all conference player on defense.
He probably knew the raise and extension were coming.
I bet he wants to unwrap our shiny new stadium in 2021.
What a great life for Coach Clark in Birmingham.
I would think any school wanting to step up in football would do the same.

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen if he goes from a conference championship to say, 3-9.

I just don't see how anyone could say anything coach Clark at this point.

Conversation seems to have gone off the deep end. Clark showed himself to be one of the better coaches in the league even in his first year... without any recruiting “help.” What’s more, many of our top players (Tyler Johnston, Spencer Brown, etc) were guys from the state recruited without any “help” or special circumstances.

Clark has won at every level he has coached. You think he’s in this position because UAB got special treatment? Keep thinking that. UAB will be a better and even more dominant team in future years than they were this year with all of its seniority.

(12-05-2018 03:44 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

I didn't see his name mentioned for any of the P5 vacancies, or at least in serious consideration for any of them. I believe someone has said that he's close to receiving his pension for the state of Alabama. So I'm sure he wants to get eligible for that before he considers leaving the state anyway. It will be interesting to see how UAB performs once all the special provisions are gone.

Exactly. I have heard no mention of Bill Clark for a P5 HC. I'm sure all of the advantages given were the main concern of P5 AD. Those advantages are unprecedented so I'm sure the P5 AD's are taking a wait and see stance on Clark

(12-05-2018 09:20 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 03:44 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

I didn't see his name mentioned for any of the P5 vacancies, or at least in serious consideration for any of them. I believe someone has said that he's close to receiving his pension for the state of Alabama. So I'm sure he wants to get eligible for that before he considers leaving the state anyway. It will be interesting to see how UAB performs once all the special provisions are gone.

Exactly. I have heard no mention of Bill Clark for a P5 HC. I'm sure all of the advantages given were the main concern of P5 AD. Those advantages are unprecedented so I'm sure the P5 AD's are taking a wait and see stance on Clark

It's not like UAB got to pick JUCO players first before everyone else. The JUCOs UAB was able to sign and put on the field were not the top prospects in JUCO recruiting....thats where coaching come in to play.

(12-05-2018 09:20 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 03:44 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

I didn't see his name mentioned for any of the P5 vacancies, or at least in serious consideration for any of them. I believe someone has said that he's close to receiving his pension for the state of Alabama. So I'm sure he wants to get eligible for that before he considers leaving the state anyway. It will be interesting to see how UAB performs once all the special provisions are gone.

Exactly. I have heard no mention of Bill Clark for a P5 HC. I'm sure all of the advantages given were the main concern of P5 AD. Those advantages are unprecedented so I'm sure the P5 AD's are taking a wait and see stance on Clark

So today the story is no one wants our coach. Yesterday it was you won’t be able to keep him much longer. His name was mentioned for the Ga Tech job.

(12-05-2018 02:45 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 11:27 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKUYG is right, every coach knows UAB was given recruiting advanatges. Clark was going nowhere. Once the playing field is level again then an assessment could have been made. UAB has 37 seniors, the oldest team in FBS, and will be short 10 scholarships next year

So you think Clark is dumb enough to stick around and watch his stock drop, when he could be at a P5 right now? He is coming back because he knows this program will get even better and his stock will rise. Wishful thinking though because some of you same fans who knew what our provisions were from the NCAA said it would take years to be competitive, you get your behind handed to you and now you whine like...

female {bull}dogs in heat. Just like the godsmack song.

and they wonder why no one can stand them.

CUAB.


Can’t temember ever seeing a fan base whine as much as them.

(12-05-2018 03:44 PM)deb025 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how UAB performs once all the special provisions are gone.

Clark went 6-6 in 2014, in his first year at a school that went 2-10 the year before, and 5-19 the previous 2 years.

They were within an eyelash of 9 wins.

Clark can coach. He has won everywhere and at every level he's ever coached.

I know it. UAB knows it. CUSA coaches know it.

And those of you bitching about our success this year should know that our 2015 team would have wiped the floor with the lot of you.

No doubt Clark can coach. Great googly moogly... BUt I thing we are all wondering what happens when the horses leave the stable? I admit that I haven’t kept up with UAB’s recruiting, but you guys lose A LOT.

I’m not saying anything one way or the other, because I have been a HUGE fan of UAB’s resurrection and I hope you all continue to be as strong as ever coming back. I am really going to be paying attention to you all next season insofar as how the program can maintain its continuity with less on-field leadership than this past year.

Anyway, good luck to you all.

Can we pin this thread and come back to it, in say, 2 years.

We're champs this year. Call it what you want, how you want.