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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-03-2019 02:34 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 01:29 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 01:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."
My, My. Sensitve aren't we. What I post is my opinion. Think what ever you like. Post whatever you like. Demand that other people agree with you if you like. Apparently your opinion is greater than anyone else's.
No need to respond, I think I know what you want to say anyway.

Are you senile?

Here, let me post a quote for you.... "SHUT UP about it."

Any idea who said that? That's right, it was YOU, telling other posters that their content is unworthy and you get to decide what gets posted here.

Hypocrite much?

Not hypocritical at all. I avoided the thread topic completely and responded to you. I originally expressed my opinion. You got butt hurt about my opinion. You fulfilled my anticipation of your response exactly.

Have a nice day Mrs. DiNucci.

Nah dude, you were super hypocritical.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-03-2019 02:10 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 01:39 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 12:08 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 11:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

What makes the most sense is that MH and/or his agent leaked the information to force ECU's hand to get the job he really wanted. Recall the ECU coach had not even been fired at this point. UNCC had no reason to leak it, the deal was all but done.....they gained nothing by leaking. Ask yourself who actually gained by leaking and set dominoes into motion.

Did MH want to lose, of course not....that is absurd discussion.

MH the actor......I tend to think he is a pretty good actor given those recorded/made for TV & youtube pre-game speeches. He does a pretty good job at it.

At the end of the day folks did not personally like EW and held that against him when he left....even though he left the right way and did not promise not to poach recruits ala MH. Folks held EW to a higher standard than MH on the departure front, when by all accounts and actions EW left in a more professional manner. Their were a lot of 'man-crushes' for MH, gotta remove that stuff, it is a business.

Brian from Herosports, a guy who has been nothing but honest and has nothing to gain/lose by spreading false information, said that it was Charlotte, not Houston, that leaked the hire.
You said yourself that the ECU coach had not even been fired at that point. Why would Houston (who was still the JMU coach at the time actively in the playoffs) leak that he was going to Charlotte? Keep in mind also where the leak came from...a Charlotte beat writer. It didn't come from a JMU beat writer. If he really wanted the ECU job, why interview with Charlotte in the first place? To leverage ECU? Leverage them for what? If ECU wanted Houston, they would have went after him regardless of the Charlotte job.
It makes perfect sense to me why Charlotte leaked it. They had no idea how long JMU was going to be in the playoffs. They were still recruiting and had no coach. They wanted to keep the guys they had and possibly get others. Plus, they were probably very fired up to have Houston on board. There's even the possibility that the leak was an accident. Somebody at Charlotte jumped the gun and was excited to hear they were getting Houston. I know I may be in the minority here, but I think he would have taken the Charlotte job if none of this had happened. There's zero doubt that it worked out in Houston's favor in the end.
I just don't believe that Houston would have risked his job by taking an interview at Charlotte, accepted the job and then leaked it to the public just so ECU would come after him. I trust Brian McLaughlin.. a guy that actually knows what happened.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For the reason's you think validate that MH nor his agent would leak the info......I think those very same reasons are why MH or his agent would leak the info. Whatever, it is old news and I think JMU updated the head coaching position and entire coaching staff with this change so JMU won as well.

I am just over the MH love-fest that he is a man of the utmost integrity line of thinking.......that is garbage and it is a business and he got his payday.

Fair enough. It is old news. I do find the stuff that happened last year pretty interesting (while it was damn miserable at the time). While I feel strongly about it, I can't say it's impossible that Houston/agent didn't do it.
I agree that I am over the MH love fest, but he deserves credit for the title he brought to JMU. At the same time, last year's team did lose 4 games. It turned out pretty good in the end.
Personally, I really like and have had a lot of respect for Cignetti prior to him being at JMU and I think it has worked out even better for us.
Kind of like the Seinfeld episode. It all works out.

Agree.....big win for JMU with Cignetti and this staff.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
Let me give my two cents. Well, nevermind, the wife says I'm not worth a couple of pennies. I'll just sit here and enjoy the banter.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.
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Would be nice if you could expand on that a bit. There are a lot of assumptions one could make when reading a post like that.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Here we go again....
The minority???
I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of JMU alums have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd further say that the vast majority of JMU football fans have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd also say that the vast majority of Duke Club members have no idea what you are talking about.
And lastly, I'd go so far as to say the majority of us on this board (the most diehard of the diehards) do not know what you are referring to.
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Yeah, that's as ambiguous as the sexual orientation of Pat, the SNL "person"
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Stuff like that There is always a minority. MH kids are healthy and happy and he is still married that all we need to know. EW was honest about his family life ? Head football coaches are basically politicians of athletics , Houston is the HC at an FBS school , if it was that bad he wouldn't have been hired there.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-01-2019 09:42 PM)arlingtonduke Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 02:12 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Each coach since Matthews has taken the program to new heights. The progression has been amazing. Houston has had the most success but with Cig, we are winning games by a large margin and our offense appears to be better. Winning a N.C. in his first year would put him slightly ahead of Houston.

The disappointing part about Houston is he turned out to not be the man we all thought he was. All his talk was just rhetoric. The way he left was a circus. I have no grudge with him improving his lot in life just the way he did it.

The guy at NDSU did it the right way. There were no distractions with his leaving.

The way he left and that other thing that everyone has heard about but no one is talking about.

I must be in the dark here about the thing that everyone has heard about. My two cents is that the Jury is very much out on Houston. He won with talent from Mickey and Everett and results went down every year after his first. The seniors playing even today were not recruited by him and we are senior heavy. Not sold on his recruiting and program building. Don’t wish him ill will but not going to root for his success either.

6 of 13 senior starters listed on the 2 deep were brought in by MH.
-Smith (2x 1st team All CAA, probably gonna make All American) (2016 late commit MH had recruited to the Citadel).
-Dylan Stapleton (2nd team All CAA).
-Carter (1st team All CAA/ going to be named All American).
-Dinucci (1st team All CAA/going to be named All American).
-Word (3rd team All CAA).
-Davis

Other starters that were MH recruits
-Fornadel (1st team All CAA/going to be named All American).
-Amos (1st team All CAA/All American).
-Obese (1st team All CAA)
-Mike Greene (3rd ream All CAA)
-Hamilton (3rd team All CAA)
-Truvell Wilson (3rd team All CAA).
-McCormick
-Ethan Ratke (1st team All CAA).
-Brown
-Gillespie

Going by the 20 announced 2016 signing date commits, other than Smith, other listed 2016 signing class starters are Mac Patrick, Daka, Atariwa, co starter Bethea. I’ll assume they were all EW recruits/commits.

Ratke, Brown, Gillespie not listed, so I’ll assume MH, maybe walkons.

In total, out of 24 starters (co-starters at RB & LT, not counting special teams), which HC they committed under:
15 MH
8 EW
1 CC

12 of 17 players/13 of 18 JMU All CAA spots were MH recruits/commits.

MM could recruit. EW could recruit & took it up a noch. MH could recruit and took it up a notch. Jury still out on CC.

That all being said, not at all happy with how last year unfolded the week before & right after the Colgate game. Thought it was handled poorly, no matter who “leaked” it.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-04-2019 01:33 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:42 PM)arlingtonduke Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 02:12 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 11:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Each coach since Matthews has taken the program to new heights. The progression has been amazing. Houston has had the most success but with Cig, we are winning games by a large margin and our offense appears to be better. Winning a N.C. in his first year would put him slightly ahead of Houston.

The disappointing part about Houston is he turned out to not be the man we all thought he was. All his talk was just rhetoric. The way he left was a circus. I have no grudge with him improving his lot in life just the way he did it.

The guy at NDSU did it the right way. There were no distractions with his leaving.

The way he left and that other thing that everyone has heard about but no one is talking about.

I must be in the dark here about the thing that everyone has heard about. My two cents is that the Jury is very much out on Houston. He won with talent from Mickey and Everett and results went down every year after his first. The seniors playing even today were not recruited by him and we are senior heavy. Not sold on his recruiting and program building. Don’t wish him ill will but not going to root for his success either.

6 of 13 senior starters listed on the 2 deep were brought in by MH.
-Smith (2x 1st team All CAA, probably gonna make All American) (2016 late commit MH had recruited to the Citadel).
-Dylan Stapleton (2nd team All CAA).
-Carter (1st team All CAA/ going to be named All American).
-Dinucci (1st team All CAA/going to be named All American).
-Word (3rd team All CAA).
-Davis

Other starters that were MH recruits
-Fornadel (1st team All CAA/going to be named All American).
-Amos (1st team All CAA/All American).
-Obese (1st team All CAA)
-Mike Greene (3rd ream All CAA)
-Hamilton (3rd team All CAA)
-Truvell Wilson (3rd team All CAA).
-McCormick
-Ethan Ratke (1st team All CAA).
-Brown
-Gillespie

Going by the 20 announced 2016 signing date commits, other than Smith, other listed 2016 signing class starters are Mac Patrick, Daka, Atariwa, co starter Bethea. I’ll assume they were all EW recruits/commits.

Ratke, Brown, Gillespie not listed, so I’ll assume MH, maybe walkons.

In total, out of 24 starters (co-starters at RB & LT, not counting special teams), which HC they committed under:
15 MH
8 EW
1 CC

12 of 17 players/13 of 18 JMU All CAA spots were MH recruits/commits.

MM could recruit. EW could recruit & took it up a noch. MH could recruit and took it up a notch. Jury still out on CC.

That all being said, not at all happy with how last year unfolded the week before & right after the Colgate game. Thought it was handled poorly, no matter who “leaked” it.

At least 4 of those 6 seniors are transfers and not HS recruits. That’s not going to be there at FBS level which is why i think it will be interesting at ECU. Even next year for us it will be interesting as obviously we will have lots of key roles open. Regardless looking forward to finishing this year out.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-03-2019 09:31 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Here we go again....
The minority???
I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of JMU alums have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd further say that the vast majority of JMU football fans have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd also say that the vast majority of Duke Club members have no idea what you are talking about.
And lastly, I'd go so far as to say the majority of us on this board (the most diehard of the diehards) do not know what you are referring to.

Probably some dirty rumor going around town, and anything that comes up now is nothing more than hearsay and gossip. It's a year later. It's time to move on. It isn't kindergarden; we're all better than this.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-04-2019 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 09:31 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Here we go again....
The minority???
I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of JMU alums have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd further say that the vast majority of JMU football fans have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd also say that the vast majority of Duke Club members have no idea what you are talking about.
And lastly, I'd go so far as to say the majority of us on this board (the most diehard of the diehards) do not know what you are referring to.

Probably some dirty rumor going around town, and anything that comes up now is nothing more than hearsay and gossip. It's a year later. It's time to move on. It isn't kindergarden; we're all better than this.

I met a guy on a cruise in 2018 that personally know the Houston family. He was a next door neighbor that lived next to his dad (and still did). I take a bit of issue saying MH was a "phony". This man went out of his way to tell me how much he thought of MH and his entire family. He didn't come across as disingenuous in any way. I just don't believe the hearsay and gossip.
Perhaps he did leak the job offer, but I do not believe the guy was a phony.
There's no doubt that MH and JMU ended on the wrong foot.
Watch the Ben DiNucci interview that WHSV did. He talked about his interactions with MH especially at the end of the Colgate game. He also talked about how MH has still been in contact with him wishing him luck (mentioned the UNH game and another one specifically).
And back to the story about MH and his family. Perhaps you should watch the press conference he did when he his dad died and tell me that guy is a phony.
He absolutely made a mistake in the way his career ended at JMU. But that shouldn't destroy the championship he gave us or the good years we had with him as our coach. I was just as upset as anyone else in the way our season ended and how MH handled it all. But I don't believe he's a bad guy. Bad decision, but good dude.
I personally wish him luck and hope he can be the coach they think he can be. We're just fine without him... perhaps even better off.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
(12-04-2019 09:02 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 09:31 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Here we go again....
The minority???
I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of JMU alums have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd further say that the vast majority of JMU football fans have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd also say that the vast majority of Duke Club members have no idea what you are talking about.
And lastly, I'd go so far as to say the majority of us on this board (the most diehard of the diehards) do not know what you are referring to.

Probably some dirty rumor going around town, and anything that comes up now is nothing more than hearsay and gossip. It's a year later. It's time to move on. It isn't kindergarden; we're all better than this.

I met a guy on a cruise in 2018 that personally know the Houston family. He was a next door neighbor that lived next to his dad (and still did). I take a bit of issue saying MH was a "phony". This man went out of his way to tell me how much he thought of MH and his entire family. He didn't come across as disingenuous in any way. I just don't believe the hearsay and gossip.
Perhaps he did leak the job offer, but I do not believe the guy was a phony.
There's no doubt that MH and JMU ended on the wrong foot.
Watch the Ben DiNucci interview that WHSV did. He talked about his interactions with MH especially at the end of the Colgate game. He also talked about how MH has still been in contact with him wishing him luck (mentioned the UNH game and another one specifically).
And back to the story about MH and his family. Perhaps you should watch the press conference he did when he his dad died and tell me that guy is a phony.
He absolutely made a mistake in the way his career ended at JMU. But that shouldn't destroy the championship he gave us or the good years we had with him as our coach. I was just as upset as anyone else in the way our season ended and how MH handled it all. But I don't believe he's a bad guy. Bad decision, but good dude.
I personally wish him luck and hope he can be the coach they think he can be. We're just fine without him... perhaps even better off.

I think those that hold some feelings are probably the same folk who believed MH would be around JMU much longer than he stayed at his other stops in his career. He's a two to three year pony. The moment ECU wins 8 games, he's gone. I say that'll be year three.
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RE: Houston to ECU?
If anyone cares to know I will share it in a PM. It is not gossip or hearsay.

It also has nothing to do with his performance as purely a football coach. But as a leader of men and representative of a university it’s a bad look... particularly when your messaging is built around family and being real.
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(12-04-2019 09:55 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 09:02 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 09:31 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 08:53 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  MH was a phony. Good football coach... bad guy. He is a great actor. He was not the great family man he portrayed himself to be. If you don’t know the problem he caused himself at JMU you are in the minority. At least EW was honest.

Here we go again....
The minority???
I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of JMU alums have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd further say that the vast majority of JMU football fans have no idea what you are talking about.
I'd also say that the vast majority of Duke Club members have no idea what you are talking about.
And lastly, I'd go so far as to say the majority of us on this board (the most diehard of the diehards) do not know what you are referring to.

Probably some dirty rumor going around town, and anything that comes up now is nothing more than hearsay and gossip. It's a year later. It's time to move on. It isn't kindergarden; we're all better than this.

I met a guy on a cruise in 2018 that personally know the Houston family. He was a next door neighbor that lived next to his dad (and still did). I take a bit of issue saying MH was a "phony". This man went out of his way to tell me how much he thought of MH and his entire family. He didn't come across as disingenuous in any way. I just don't believe the hearsay and gossip.
Perhaps he did leak the job offer, but I do not believe the guy was a phony.
There's no doubt that MH and JMU ended on the wrong foot.
Watch the Ben DiNucci interview that WHSV did. He talked about his interactions with MH especially at the end of the Colgate game. He also talked about how MH has still been in contact with him wishing him luck (mentioned the UNH game and another one specifically).
And back to the story about MH and his family. Perhaps you should watch the press conference he did when he his dad died and tell me that guy is a phony.
He absolutely made a mistake in the way his career ended at JMU. But that shouldn't destroy the championship he gave us or the good years we had with him as our coach. I was just as upset as anyone else in the way our season ended and how MH handled it all. But I don't believe he's a bad guy. Bad decision, but good dude.
I personally wish him luck and hope he can be the coach they think he can be. We're just fine without him... perhaps even better off.

I think those that hold some feelings are probably the same folk who believed MH would be around JMU much longer than he stayed at his other stops in his career. He's a two to three year pony. The moment ECU wins 8 games, he's gone. I say that'll be year three.

His desire is to be the football coach at UNC when Mack Brown is done keeping the seat warm. Brown is pretty old and MH is one year down and had little to no impact at ECU.
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