(12-02-2019 11:31 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Interesting take that Houston interviewing during the playoffs was a distraction while Kleiman interviewing and accepting a job during the playoffs was not a distraction.

Seems like it is very similar to me. The key difference being JMU lost and ND State won.

IMO the “distraction” dialogue is just an excuse to try to rationalize the loss to Colgate. I lean toward the 5 INT’s that the Nooch threw instead of thinking the team was distracted or wasn’t prepared after a dozen games and a full season of practices.

There you go, that's the ticket! Houston sucking and lying to us was Nooch's fault. I knew I would hear that sooner or later.

It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I question the bold.

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Coaches are focused on so many pieces every week. They aren't just coaching the next week.
That being said, I agree with you. Some seem to forget the level of buzz that was going around when that came out.
I personally don't think the interview itself was the distraction (as my understanding was that it wasn't done in Charlotte), it was the circus that followed that was.
Houston up until that point was very professional and came across as a guy that wanted things done the right way. Dislike the fact that he interviewed all you want, I think he wanted it to go down the right way. What was the right way? Wait until JMU's season was over and then announce it. He didn't want to do his players wrong. Everyone that I have ever talked to (and I've talked to people that are friends of the family outside of football) is that he's done things the right way. Leaking an announcement in the middle of a playoff run just doesn't line up with anything else Houston has ever done. Show me an example of him doing it at another time and I'll retract my statement.
Watch his interview after the Colgate loss. You could tell he screwed up. He didn't want to go out like that. To throw away the season just to get another job doesn't line up with anything that Houston has ever done. Perhaps he did do it, but based on everything I've heard and what I know about Houston, it just doesn't make sense for him to do it.
Ultimately he ended up at ECU and I don't dislike the guy.
Lastly, people are wondering why we are even still talking about this. We have a thread THOUSANDS of pages long about a conference rumor that hasn't even occurred. Is anyone surprised that we are actually still having a discussion about something that ACTUALLY HAPPENED???? Plus it was one full year ago (and things are for the better) and I don't see any reason why we can't talk about it.

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

(12-03-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

(12-03-2019 11:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

What makes the most sense is that MH and/or his agent leaked the information to force ECU's hand to get the job he really wanted. Recall the ECU coach had not even been fired at this point. UNCC had no reason to leak it, the deal was all but done.....they gained nothing by leaking. Ask yourself who actually gained by leaking and set dominoes into motion.

Did MH want to lose, of course not....that is absurd discussion.

MH the actor......I tend to think he is a pretty good actor given those recorded/made for TV & youtube pre-game speeches. He does a pretty good job at it.

At the end of the day folks did not personally like EW and held that against him when he left....even though he left the right way and did not promise not to poach recruits ala MH. Folks held EW to a higher standard than MH on the departure front, when by all accounts and actions EW left in a more professional manner. Their were a lot of 'man-crushes' for MH, gotta remove that stuff, it is a business.

Why do people have a hard time accepting that UNCC leaked this? It's been reported on at least two sites.

Can we please move on already?

(12-03-2019 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

What makes the most sense is that MH and/or his agent leaked the information to force ECU's hand to get the job he really wanted. Recall the ECU coach had not even been fired at this point. UNCC had no reason to leak it, the deal was all but done.....they gained nothing by leaking. Ask yourself who actually gained by leaking and set dominoes into motion.

Did MH want to lose, of course not....that is absurd discussion.

MH the actor......I tend to think he is a pretty good actor given those recorded/made for TV & youtube pre-game speeches. He does a pretty good job at it.

At the end of the day folks did not personally like EW and held that against him when he left....even though he left the right way and did not promise not to poach recruits ala MH. Folks held EW to a higher standard than MH on the departure front, when by all accounts and actions EW left in a more professional manner. Their were a lot of 'man-crushes' for MH, gotta remove that stuff, it is a business.

Brian from Herosports, a guy who has been nothing but honest and has nothing to gain/lose by spreading false information, said that it was Charlotte, not Houston, that leaked the hire.
You said yourself that the ECU coach had not even been fired at that point. Why would Houston (who was still the JMU coach at the time actively in the playoffs) leak that he was going to Charlotte? Keep in mind also where the leak came from...a Charlotte beat writer. It didn't come from a JMU beat writer. If he really wanted the ECU job, why interview with Charlotte in the first place? To leverage ECU? Leverage them for what? If ECU wanted Houston, they would have went after him regardless of the Charlotte job.
It makes perfect sense to me why Charlotte leaked it. They had no idea how long JMU was going to be in the playoffs. They were still recruiting and had no coach. They wanted to keep the guys they had and possibly get others. Plus, they were probably very fired up to have Houston on board. There's even the possibility that the leak was an accident. Somebody at Charlotte jumped the gun and was excited to hear they were getting Houston. I know I may be in the minority here, but I think he would have taken the Charlotte job if none of this had happened. There's zero doubt that it worked out in Houston's favor in the end.
I just don't believe that Houston would have risked his job by taking an interview at Charlotte, accepted the job and then leaked it to the public just so ECU would come after him. I trust Brian McLaughlin.. a guy that actually knows what happened.

Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:46 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It’s silly to think Houston’s job-circus didn’t distract. That said, the Colgate LB & S were players.

Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks.

He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

Then again, he took all his coaches with them, which means the ENTIRE STAFF knew their future was in doubt, and were probably thinking about "oh crap do I have to find a house in Charlotte, oh now Greenville. No, North Carolina." instead of doing their work. When you think about it that way, I suspect the disruption was across the whole staff, not just the HC.

Blame Nooch, or the line, or blame people who don't think Nooch is good or whatever, but I think it's nonsense to conclude that a team that didn't show up for the playoffs wasn't affected by the coach applying for, and practically accepting, two different coaching jobs in the same week.

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't just "SHUT UP about it". If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."

(12-03-2019 01:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."

My, My. Sensitve aren't we. What I post is my opinion. Think what ever you like. Post whatever you like. Demand that other people agree with you if you like. Apparently your opinion is greater than anyone else's.
No need to respond, I think I know what you want to say anyway.

(12-03-2019 01:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."

My, My. Sensitve aren't we. What I post is my opinion. Think what ever you like. Post whatever you like. Demand that other people agree with you if you like. Apparently your opinion is greater than anyone else's.
No need to respond, I think I know what you want to say anyway.

(12-03-2019 12:08 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:23 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Distract him from what exactly ? HC's are not that integral in the practice process during the week. MH didn't call them plays that lead to Ben throwing those picks. Athletes know it's a business , they tend to play more for their teammates than their coaches because of that. If you go to a practice the HC is not needed until the last 20 mins of team practice lol. He didn't create the offensive and defensive game plans and he was with the team throughout the whole week.

I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

What makes the most sense is that MH and/or his agent leaked the information to force ECU's hand to get the job he really wanted. Recall the ECU coach had not even been fired at this point. UNCC had no reason to leak it, the deal was all but done.....they gained nothing by leaking. Ask yourself who actually gained by leaking and set dominoes into motion.

Did MH want to lose, of course not....that is absurd discussion.

MH the actor......I tend to think he is a pretty good actor given those recorded/made for TV & youtube pre-game speeches. He does a pretty good job at it.

At the end of the day folks did not personally like EW and held that against him when he left....even though he left the right way and did not promise not to poach recruits ala MH. Folks held EW to a higher standard than MH on the departure front, when by all accounts and actions EW left in a more professional manner. Their were a lot of 'man-crushes' for MH, gotta remove that stuff, it is a business.

Brian from Herosports, a guy who has been nothing but honest and has nothing to gain/lose by spreading false information, said that it was Charlotte, not Houston, that leaked the hire.
You said yourself that the ECU coach had not even been fired at that point. Why would Houston (who was still the JMU coach at the time actively in the playoffs) leak that he was going to Charlotte? Keep in mind also where the leak came from...a Charlotte beat writer. It didn't come from a JMU beat writer. If he really wanted the ECU job, why interview with Charlotte in the first place? To leverage ECU? Leverage them for what? If ECU wanted Houston, they would have went after him regardless of the Charlotte job.
It makes perfect sense to me why Charlotte leaked it. They had no idea how long JMU was going to be in the playoffs. They were still recruiting and had no coach. They wanted to keep the guys they had and possibly get others. Plus, they were probably very fired up to have Houston on board. There's even the possibility that the leak was an accident. Somebody at Charlotte jumped the gun and was excited to hear they were getting Houston. I know I may be in the minority here, but I think he would have taken the Charlotte job if none of this had happened. There's zero doubt that it worked out in Houston's favor in the end.
I just don't believe that Houston would have risked his job by taking an interview at Charlotte, accepted the job and then leaked it to the public just so ECU would come after him. I trust Brian McLaughlin.. a guy that actually knows what happened.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For the reason's you think validate that MH nor his agent would leak the info......I think those very same reasons are why MH or his agent would leak the info. Whatever, it is old news and I think JMU upgraded the head coaching position and entire coaching staff with this change so JMU won as well.

I am just over the MH love-fest that he is a man of the utmost integrity line of thinking.......that is garbage and it is a business and he got his payday.

(12-03-2019 01:29 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."

My, My. Sensitve aren't we. What I post is my opinion. Think what ever you like. Post whatever you like. Demand that other people agree with you if you like. Apparently your opinion is greater than anyone else's.
No need to respond, I think I know what you want to say anyway.

Are you senile?

Here, let me post a quote for you.... "SHUT UP about it."

Any idea who said that? That's right, it was YOU, telling other posters that their content is unworthy and you get to decide what gets posted here.

Hypocrite much?

(12-03-2019 01:39 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:08 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:30 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think MH did create a circus and the players felt betrayed b/c he lied to them to their faces rather than being honest. He told them in a team meeting he was not going anyway and within 24 hours he was gone.

I was at the Colgate game and it was clear they players were still very engaged with the asst coaches, but whenever MH came to interject in a sideline huddle, the players body language immediately changed and they appeared to disengage.

The difference with Klienman was that he was completely upfront with his players in the process and it was clear and known to all that he was out after the playoffs. By being upfront Klienman avoided the circus and lying.

I have no issue with MH leaving, I have a very big issue with how he and his agent handled their business and the process. I find it very amusing how folks were so upset with EW and did not wish him all the best at Texas St.......when he and his agent handled the entire process professionally and did not create a circus environment in the public during the playoffs. Was it really b/c they did not like how EW talked to Matt Stoss from the DNR as he repeatedly asked absurd post-game questions.

There are far too many people that have some sort of man-crush on MH b/c they loved his pre-game speeches. They were cool and all but pre-game speeches have less and less impact if that is your go to all the time......I prefer the much more business like approach under HCCC.

I think the EW hate comes for many reasons. First of all, he was a jerk to the media like you mentioned. I think many felt like he never embraced JMU as a destination, more like a stepping stone to FBS. That was clear when he left for what I believe was the first offer from Texas State. Also I recall his family trashing Harrisonburg on the way out, so that certainly didn't help. Nor did Texas State fans rubbing it in. For me it was the combination of everything that made it feel more like a "good riddance" than a "best of luck to you". Also the discovery that he had been burning bridges in recruiting circles locked it in for me that he hurt the JMU brand, not made it better.
Houston's personality and winning immediately were pretty big factors on why some may overlook how he left.
Does anyone really think MH wanted the distractions of Charlotte? Why throw the hard work of the season away? When MH addressed the media that night at Bridgforth, that wasn't a man that was pretending to be upset. He was mad. He knew it had created a big distraction and he wasn't happy about it. I don't think he's that good of an actor to come up with a scheme of using Charlotte so he could get the ECU job. Let's not forget he already had the job at JMU. Imagine if he didn't get either job as a result? How would he save face at JMU after all of that? Either you believe all that, or believe that Charlotte really thought they had Houston and wanted to leak the hire to fans and any recruits? Which one makes more sense?

What makes the most sense is that MH and/or his agent leaked the information to force ECU's hand to get the job he really wanted. Recall the ECU coach had not even been fired at this point. UNCC had no reason to leak it, the deal was all but done.....they gained nothing by leaking. Ask yourself who actually gained by leaking and set dominoes into motion.

Did MH want to lose, of course not....that is absurd discussion.

MH the actor......I tend to think he is a pretty good actor given those recorded/made for TV & youtube pre-game speeches. He does a pretty good job at it.

At the end of the day folks did not personally like EW and held that against him when he left....even though he left the right way and did not promise not to poach recruits ala MH. Folks held EW to a higher standard than MH on the departure front, when by all accounts and actions EW left in a more professional manner. Their were a lot of 'man-crushes' for MH, gotta remove that stuff, it is a business.

Brian from Herosports, a guy who has been nothing but honest and has nothing to gain/lose by spreading false information, said that it was Charlotte, not Houston, that leaked the hire.
You said yourself that the ECU coach had not even been fired at that point. Why would Houston (who was still the JMU coach at the time actively in the playoffs) leak that he was going to Charlotte? Keep in mind also where the leak came from...a Charlotte beat writer. It didn't come from a JMU beat writer. If he really wanted the ECU job, why interview with Charlotte in the first place? To leverage ECU? Leverage them for what? If ECU wanted Houston, they would have went after him regardless of the Charlotte job.
It makes perfect sense to me why Charlotte leaked it. They had no idea how long JMU was going to be in the playoffs. They were still recruiting and had no coach. They wanted to keep the guys they had and possibly get others. Plus, they were probably very fired up to have Houston on board. There's even the possibility that the leak was an accident. Somebody at Charlotte jumped the gun and was excited to hear they were getting Houston. I know I may be in the minority here, but I think he would have taken the Charlotte job if none of this had happened. There's zero doubt that it worked out in Houston's favor in the end.
I just don't believe that Houston would have risked his job by taking an interview at Charlotte, accepted the job and then leaked it to the public just so ECU would come after him. I trust Brian McLaughlin.. a guy that actually knows what happened.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For the reason's you think validate that MH nor his agent would leak the info......I think those very same reasons are why MH or his agent would leak the info. Whatever, it is old news and I think JMU updated the head coaching position and entire coaching staff with this change so JMU won as well.

I am just over the MH love-fest that he is a man of the utmost integrity line of thinking.......that is garbage and it is a business and he got his payday.

Fair enough. It is old news. I do find the stuff that happened last year pretty interesting (while it was damn miserable at the time). While I feel strongly about it, I can't say it's impossible that Houston/agent didn't do it.
I agree that I am over the MH love fest, but he deserves credit for the title he brought to JMU. At the same time, last year's team did lose 4 games. It turned out pretty good in the end.
Personally, I really like and have had a lot of respect for Cignetti prior to him being at JMU and I think it has worked out even better for us.
Kind of like the Seinfeld episode. It all works out.

(12-03-2019 02:02 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:29 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:02 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:35 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Love him or hate him, but SHUT UP about it. Jeez, it seems to be the same people who always come back with the same old tired story line even though it is no longer relevant. You don't need a reason to be upset, you're just upset and looking for a reason. Pick a better one.

If you don't like it, DONT READ IT! Nobody is forcing you to read any of this. Look at the topic.
It's almost a year to the day and there's nothing wrong talking about it. I came on here to have a conversation. I disagreed with a comment, so I have every right to say I disagree and why I disagree. It happened almost a year to the day so it's not like this is totally out of bounds.
I get that you are mad that some people actually have feelings about something you feel is irrelevant. Well some people don't feel that way. Personally, I'm over it, but I don't mind actually talking about it.
But what is irritating to me is deciding to play the post police and telling us we shouldn't talk about this. If this was in a post like this week's football game, I totally get it. But when you click on a thread about Houston, you have to know what you are about to read. Perhaps just focus on stuff that makes you happy.

Exactly! It is very annoying when some people are actually arrogant enough to think they get to decide what everyone else posts. If they don't like it, they shouldn't read it, and, by all means, they should not be responding to it. They don't make themselves look very bright responding to something they claim is unworthy of their attention.

I think I will spend all my time between now and next season responding to posts with comments like, "Oh, this is stupid" or "Nothing to see here" or "I don't want to talk about that."

My, My. Sensitve aren't we. What I post is my opinion. Think what ever you like. Post whatever you like. Demand that other people agree with you if you like. Apparently your opinion is greater than anyone else's.
No need to respond, I think I know what you want to say anyway.

Are you senile?

Here, let me post a quote for you.... "SHUT UP about it."

Any idea who said that? That's right, it was YOU, telling other posters that their content is unworthy and you get to decide what gets posted here.

Hypocrite much?

Not hypocritical at all. I avoided the thread topic completely and responded to you. I originally expressed my opinion. You got butt hurt about my opinion. You fulfilled my anticipation of your response exactly.

Have a nice day Mrs. DiNucci.