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(11-04-2018 11:11 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(11-04-2018 10:54 AM)Barney Wrote:  After reading this thread's latest entries, you'd think that Rice's problems in athletics are due to bad coaches, a bad AD, and poor preparation of QB's and receivers.
Uh, no.

3 things:
1. Our built-in disadvantages that have always been there and may always be there presumably (conference affiliation, academic standards, NCAA inequities, scholarship issues affecting baseball, etc.)
2. Bad luck -- best coach we've ever had got older and older and lost his edge; VCU position came open at just the wrong time; corrupt NCAA basketball landscape collapsed on us; Harvey, Padgett, etc.
3. THE MAIN ONE -- outside of Track & Field, male athletes at Rice by and large exist in a vacuum -- with no personal connection to the school, its students, its leaders, or its social activities. There's no school spirit for athletics, and nobody comes to games. Almost none of the professors or other campus leaders have any interest in athletics at all. As a result, the entire basketball team jumps ship at first opportunity, and so do C Anderson, JT Ibe, etc. Recruits see no band, empty stands.

#'s 1 and 2 are what they are.
But #3, BY FAR the main problem, we could fix....if we had an URGENT sense of purpose among our schools' leaders....but we don't.

Agree wholeheartedly with #3 and, from my experiences there, don't see it being fixed anytime soon. Maybe the new tuition program may help, but who knows. It should also be noted that the model we're trying to replicate has had well-documented troubles filling up their stadium. And that's with a team perpetually ranked inside the top-25.

The issue with the way the original #3 is phrased (what you replied to) is that it insinuates that Rice owes support and interest to athletics. Which is not true and clearly has been demonstrated. You are correct that even Stanford has had attendance issues.

Rice is what it is. Rice students will never flock en masse to watch a losing team or a team that doesnt play/beat anyone of worth. That's the reality of the situation. The question comes down to whether this is fundamentally incompatible with athletics.

Complaining that Rice doesnt go to games and there is a disconnect between social activities is pointless. Athletics will need to find a way to fit into Rice as the reverse will not happen. Be that by culturally assimilating or by being successful, the onus is 100% on the athletic department no matter how unfair it may be.

As for bad luck... lol. What's that phrase about a bad gardener blaming tools?
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Some of these posts read like a out of shape middle aged person drinking a beer and lamenting how they should have a shot at the triple jump in the Olympics. Just because.

When it comes to athletics, we display a remarkable confluence of short sightedness, tunnel vision and entitlement.
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(11-04-2018 10:54 AM)Barney Wrote:  2. Bad luck -- best coach we've ever had got older and older and lost his edge; VCU position came open at just the wrong time; corrupt NCAA basketball landscape collapsed on us; Harvey, Padgett, etc.

Responding to each one of these

1. Poor planning and politics- its not a secret at Graham was old. Why did Rice not have a succession plan in place and act on this?

Fault: Rice

2. Does any coaching position come open at the right time? UH didnt want to lose Herman, UCF wanted to keep Frost. I'm sure VCU wasn't happy that UT hired Smart. We always knew Smart was a hot commodity and would be hired away. Read the threads around Rhoades being hired and it was discussed then. Why was Rice not prepared?

Fault: Rice

3. Corrupt basketball landscape - Unless Rice is the sole member of the NCAA, its unclear how you can single this out as only affecting us.

Fault: Invalid statement and not applicable.

4. Harvey - I feel silly for having to respond to this. It didn't just rain on Rice. UH managed a 7-5 season after losing Herman. This year they are 7-2.

Fault: Invalid statement and not applicable.

5. Padgett - Not willing to dignify this with a response.

Fault: Invalid statement and not applicable.

Final result : 0 for 5. Better luck next time.
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(11-04-2018 08:10 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-03-2018 11:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  You can learn from many. Yes Stanford has some things from which you can learn.

Curious how you feel about what Fitzgerald does at Northwestern.

I think he does a great job. He is Northwestern. He plays aggressive, good defense. Offensively, they spread the ball around and make you cover the field. They coordinate an attack and use the QB arm, legs and head. They like to run the ball but aren’t afraid to throw it.
He built Northwestern by being Northwestern. He coached at Maryland and Colorado for 2 coaches that coached him at Northwestern. He went back to Northwestern and became HC after the untimely situation. He recruits nationally and finds players that play for Northwestern.
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Dude, please leave here and go get yourself some help...and I say that with complete sincerity.
You're obviously a smart and skilled guy -- you don't have to hate and be hated by everyone.
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(11-04-2018 10:41 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(11-03-2018 11:51 PM)ruowls Wrote:  You want specifics:

They run posts routes wrong.
They run curls wrong.
They run out routes wrong.
QBs throw to the wrong shoulder most of the time.
QBs throw the ball to flat or arc it too much most of the time.
There aren’t enough patterns coordinating an attack.

All of these are easy fixes.

Have you seen changes (positive or negative) in any of these compared to the last 2 years under Bailiff? Noticed any difference between the younger guys (with less exposure to Bailiff’s staff) and the older guys? How long would it typically take to re-learn route-running at game speed for guys who have the incorrect muscle memory on these things? Are things any better than the last 2 years of Bailiff?

1) No changes
2) No- same basic teachings
3) A month or so. It really isn’t muscle memory so much. Muscle memory is good for repetitive repeated tasks. The problem is the tasks aren’t repeatable. It is if you are taught to run a route a specific way ( run 12 yards and break off your outside foot). FG kickers is highly repetitive and muscle memory is very important. QB drops and RB meshes are muscle memory as is throwing mechanics.
4) It appears to be just as inconsistent as previously.
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(11-04-2018 12:35 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(11-04-2018 08:10 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-03-2018 11:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  You can learn from many. Yes Stanford has some things from which you can learn.

Curious how you feel about what Fitzgerald does at Northwestern.

He is Northwestern.

He built Northwestern by being Northwestern.

He recruits nationally and finds players that play for Northwestern.

Edited for what I feel are the primary points of your response

Stanford is not as unique in the Pac 12, nor even Northwestern in the Big10 as Rice is in g5, much less CUSA.

I came to Rice because of what it is.... that I didn't have to CHOOSE between sports and academics. That I could be in a big city, but still have a small town feel. That while we won't often play in front of 50,000.... we will on occasion... and SOME of those games will be on my home field where I feel comfortable and am thus more likely to play well 'on the big stage'.

Sell THAT. Recruit kids that want THAT, and yes, you'll have to look beyond Texas and 'wherever' your coaches come from.... because the high school coaches that these kids play for just want them to get scholarships to the 'biggest football schools' they can, because THAT is how THEY advance.

Be different. Be Rice. NOT different for the sake of being different, but different because that is who and what we are and whom we attract.
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A good route is NOT a route that follows specific mechanics... a good route is a route that puts you in the best position relative to the defender and the QB to complete a pass.. It doesn't break the route at 12 yards, it breaks the route when the defender is changing directions in the other way... and it makes that happen at around 12 yards

The problem with Bailiff's offense was that on 3rd and 12, we ran 12 yard routes. They were sitting at 12 yards so all we had was the underneath routes... and we had (by our design) put 4 of their best tacklers in space at 12 yards and facing us. The odds of getting to 12 yards was slim.

I honestly have no idea what our route philosophy is now... but it still seems to rely on one-on-one victories with few combinations designed to stress a defense, but worse... still routes that are being run like they were drawn on the paper, and not run based on 'where the defender is' and 'where the defender goes'. We still seem to do things 'by the book'... and thus it is easier to defend.... and it doesn't remotely seem like our QBs are taught how to help their receivers OR vice versa.

That's not how the pros do it.... so it's not REMOTELY different, merely for being different
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(11-04-2018 08:50 AM)Mademen Wrote:  I have yet to see Rice play since the Prairie View game, but I still like Bloomgren and think he deserves a chance to win. I would be more concerned with the infrastructure in place to support Athletics.
I honestly don't think Rice has marketed to the greater Houston area since Mike Pede left. I'm sure they are working on a shoe string budget, but the idea that a Stanford grad was going to come in to Houston, Texas and take a Stanford approach to athletics is short sighted to what Houston is all about.
I sent a 25 page marketing plan to Rice one of the umpteen times that its job was open and did not here a peep from them. I am 100% certain that I could do a better job than the current AD approaching black ink though it will probably take a couple of years. Rice does not market to the greater Houston area and prides itself on being "The Little Engine that Could". That is a small approach and has yielded small results.
Rice has a pretty nice home football schedule next year. Someone should pull their heads out of the sand and try something different over there. The AD was given an extension through 2021 because Rice was clearly afraid of losing him to.....ummm....I have no idea. Let's see if Stanford South can figure something out this offseason.
In conclusion, give Bloomgren a chance. I would trade you Major Applewhite for him in a heartbeat.

Thanks for your perspective. You are in a somewhat unique position in that you are close enough to the Rice situation to be knowledgeable but at the same time far enough away to be objective.

I think Bloomgren and Pera both deserve three years. If Bloomgren goes 0-12 next year or Pera sees all his players walk again, then maybe 2 years is enough to see the writing on the wall, but I don't expect either of those to happen.

One thing that has kind of been noted in passing on here, but I think deserves more comment, is how detached athletics are from the rest of the university. As long as that remains the case, the problems resulting from that situation (and there are multiple problems) are not going away. There has long been a mentality in the athletic department that the academic side is not going to initiate any efforts to bridge that gap. Duh. So what do you do about it? Seems to me that the logical answer is for the athletic side to initiate the efforts. Bailiff did some of that with things like helping the freshmen and women move in. Was that continued this year? The one guy that I have seen really try to energize the student body was Scott Thompson, and he got pretty good results in the "jungle gym" days. We need more of that, we need a concerted effort to do that, and it has to be a priority. When I first brought this up decades ago, the response I got from the then AD (whom I shall not name) was, "They get in free, why should we promote to them."

That is the attitude that has driven Rice athletics to where we are today. So many of the other problems flow from that attitude.
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As long as there is a bunker mentality in the athletic department--the idea that they are at war with Lovett Hall and/or Allen Center or wherever the administration resides these days--Rice athletics will continue to suffer.

The problem with implementing the Stanford model is that Stanford athletics don't have the bunker mentality. Therefore a lot of things become possible for them that are not possible for Rice.
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(11-04-2018 01:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  A good route is NOT a route that follows specific mechanics... a good route is a route that puts you in the best position relative to the defender and the QB to complete a pass.. It doesn't break the route at 12 yards, it breaks the route when the defender is changing directions in the other way... and it makes that happen at around 12 yards
The problem with Bailiff's offense was that on 3rd and 12, we ran 12 yard routes. They were sitting at 12 yards so all we had was the underneath routes... and we had (by our design) put 4 of their best tacklers in space at 12 yards and facing us. The odds of getting to 12 yards was slim.
I honestly have no idea what our route philosophy is now... but it still seems to rely on one-on-one victories with few combinations designed to stress a defense, but worse... still routes that are being run like they were drawn on the paper, and not run based on 'where the defender is' and 'where the defender goes'. We still seem to do things 'by the book'... and thus it is easier to defend.... and it doesn't remotely seem like our QBs are taught how to help their receivers OR vice versa.
That's not how the pros do it.... so it's not REMOTELY different, merely for being different

On third and 12 the defense will give you 11, and if you break off every route at the first-down marker, you're easy to cover. Suppose you combine, say, a 7-yard route, a 17-yard route, and a 27-yard route. If the 27 is open, you hit the big play. If the 17 is open, you have the first down. If the 7 is the only thing open, hit it and hope for YAC.

Interesting commentary on the Alabama-LSU game last night. Nessler and Danielson came back several times to the idea that Tua Tagovailoa appeared to be determining from his pre-snap reads where he was probably going to go with the ball. Keep in mind that while Tua is incredibly talented, he has less than a full season of starts under his belt at this point. That reflects a very different philosophy from anything I have seen at Rice. I don't think we trust our QBs to make those kinds of decisions on the field, except that maybe in their last year Chase and Dillard and Casey appeared to be doing some of that.

Spread the field, stretch the defense both horizontally and vertically, find the weak spot, and put the ball there. It's the theory behind a lot of offensive schemes, including Ruowls's West Coast (at least, as I understand it), the Run-and-Shoot, the Air Raid, and pretty much all forms of the Triple Option. Just running plays the way they are drawn on paper is not how you get there. You get there by reading and reacting, and that doesn't seem to fit our offensive concept under either Bailiff or Bloomgren, at least not so far. From what little I've seen of Stanford, they pretty much appear to be running set plays directly out of the book, too. You can win with that when you out-athlete people. In fact, if you do out-athlete people it's probably the best approach, because it reduces or eliminates the freak plays that offset the odds.

I don't agree that Bloomgren's offensive philosophy is the best way to go at Rice. But at least I know what he is trying to do, which is different from the prior staff. I think three years is reasonable. If he can get it going in that time frame, then I say more power to him. If he can't then I'd like to see somebody closer to the philosophy that I would prefer.
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(11-04-2018 01:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As long as there is a bunker mentality in the athletic department--the idea that they are at war with Lovett Hall and/or Allen Center or wherever the administration resides these days--Rice athletics will continue to suffer.

This.

Also, as long as the influential and vocal members supporting Rice Athletics continue to behave like the mess we are in is not their fault, Rice cannot improve. The never ending blame game and excuse making does not ever lead to success.

The University does not exist to serve Athletics, the same way that a tail does not exist to wag a dog.
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(11-04-2018 08:50 AM)Mademen Wrote:  I honestly don't think Rice has marketed to the greater Houston area since Mike Pede left. I'm sure they are working on a shoe string budget, but the idea that a Stanford grad was going to come in to Houston, Texas and take a Stanford approach to athletics is short sighted to what Houston is all about.

This is an excellent point. And to your broader post - what is Rice's target market and how does Rice target it? The little engine that could only earns accolades when it can and Rice has done none of that. VCU, FGCU launched to prominence by being David and beating Goliath - no one even knew FGCU existed, let alone cared if they won their conference.

We sort of look like Applebees of a few years ago. Listing in the wind, chasing the fad on hand with no cohesive strategy or focus market. Since then, they have made a U Turn, focusing back on their original core market of middle America. No avocado toast, no sriracha shrimp - just comfort food. Now, I likely wont eat there, but they don't need me to. Instead, they're making money and I've got a position in DIN.

Who are we targeting? And once we know, do we have the cojones to make hard decisions on pivoting focus to key segments and away from others? (If needed)
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(11-04-2018 01:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One thing that has kind of been noted in passing on here, but I think deserves more comment, is how detached athletics are from the rest of the university. As long as that remains the case, the problems resulting from that situation (and there are multiple problems) are not going away. There has long been a mentality in the athletic department that the academic side is not going to initiate any efforts to bridge that gap. Duh. So what do you do about it? Seems to me that the logical answer is for the athletic side to initiate the efforts. Bailiff did some of that with things like helping the freshmen and women move in. Was that continued this year? The one guy that I have seen really try to energize the student body was Scott Thompson, and he got pretty good results in the "jungle gym" days. We need more of that, we need a concerted effort to do that, and it has to be a priority. When I first brought this up decades ago, the response I got from the then AD (whom I shall not name) was, "They get in free, why should we promote to them."

I think Rhoades did a decent job reaching out to the academic side. The resultant student energy made the basketball games fun even in the early years of his tenure, before the winning.
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(11-04-2018 12:52 PM)ruowls Wrote:  1) No changes
2) No- same basic teachings

I was commenting on this yesterday on Special Teams. Trammel fields punts with his palms turned outward, vs keeping his elbows in and using his body. I'm not sure whether the issue is catching technique, bad positioning or both - we had that turnover where the ball was attempted to be fielded over his head vs. being left alone.

And ST has been one of the lone bright spots of the year and Trammel is a big part of that. It just was odd to watch such fundamental issues with technique not get resolved.
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(11-04-2018 02:36 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-04-2018 01:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One thing that has kind of been noted in passing on here, but I think deserves more comment, is how detached athletics are from the rest of the university. As long as that remains the case, the problems resulting from that situation (and there are multiple problems) are not going away. There has long been a mentality in the athletic department that the academic side is not going to initiate any efforts to bridge that gap. Duh. So what do you do about it? Seems to me that the logical answer is for the athletic side to initiate the efforts. Bailiff did some of that with things like helping the freshmen and women move in. Was that continued this year? The one guy that I have seen really try to energize the student body was Scott Thompson, and he got pretty good results in the "jungle gym" days. We need more of that, we need a concerted effort to do that, and it has to be a priority. When I first brought this up decades ago, the response I got from the then AD (whom I shall not name) was, "They get in free, why should we promote to them."
I think Rhoades did a decent job reaching out to the academic side. The resultant student energy made the basketball games fun even in the early years of his tenure, before the winning.

Up here in the "frozen tundra" of Montgomery County, I'm not as close to the program as I once was, so I'm probably not personally as familiar with Rhodes, but from what I did see and hear I think he did a good job.

One of my biggest frustrations was when Willis took over from Scott, I was thinking, "OK, Willis, you were a student-athlete here, you saw how students responded to some of Shuler's initiatives, and you were back to see how they responded to Scott, you should know just how important it is to cultivate that." And yet Willis didn't really develop it, and let a lot of what Scott had done fall by the wayside. I never understood that, except that at least to some extent he was unable to fight the old Rice bunker mentality.
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(11-04-2018 08:50 AM)Mademen Wrote:  I honestly don't think Rice has marketed to the greater Houston area since Mike Pede left. I'm sure they are working on a shoe string budget, but the idea that a Stanford grad was going to come in to Houston, Texas and take a Stanford approach to athletics is short sighted to what Houston is all about.

Mike took a lot of heat from some Rice partisans, but I really thought he did a heck of a job, particularly given the truly unreal resource constraints under which he operated. From all I can tell, he's done a good job with the UH Alumni Association. He and Steve Moniaci were two talented, capable people who both became extremely frustrated with their inability to do things that needed to be done, because of difficulty overcoming the inertia of the "Rice Way." Whatever the "Rice Way" is, we need to lose it and forget that it ever existed.
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(11-04-2018 02:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2018 01:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  A good route is NOT a route that follows specific mechanics... a good route is a route that puts you in the best position relative to the defender and the QB to complete a pass.. It doesn't break the route at 12 yards, it breaks the route when the defender is changing directions in the other way... and it makes that happen at around 12 yards
The problem with Bailiff's offense was that on 3rd and 12, we ran 12 yard routes. They were sitting at 12 yards so all we had was the underneath routes... and we had (by our design) put 4 of their best tacklers in space at 12 yards and facing us. The odds of getting to 12 yards was slim.
I honestly have no idea what our route philosophy is now... but it still seems to rely on one-on-one victories with few combinations designed to stress a defense, but worse... still routes that are being run like they were drawn on the paper, and not run based on 'where the defender is' and 'where the defender goes'. We still seem to do things 'by the book'... and thus it is easier to defend.... and it doesn't remotely seem like our QBs are taught how to help their receivers OR vice versa.
That's not how the pros do it.... so it's not REMOTELY different, merely for being different

On third and 12 the defense will give you 11, and if you break off every route at the first-down marker, you're easy to cover. Suppose you combine, say, a 7-yard route, a 17-yard route, and a 27-yard route. If the 27 is open, you hit the big play. If the 17 is open, you have the first down. If the 7 is the only thing open, hit it and hope for YAC.

Interesting commentary on the Alabama-LSU game last night. Nessler and Danielson came back several times to the idea that Tua Tagovailoa appeared to be determining from his pre-snap reads where he was probably going to go with the ball. Keep in mind that while Tua is incredibly talented, he has less than a full season of starts under his belt at this point. That reflects a very different philosophy from anything I have seen at Rice. I don't think we trust our QBs to make those kinds of decisions on the field, except that maybe in their last year Chase and Dillard and Casey appeared to be doing some of that.

Spread the field, stretch the defense both horizontally and vertically, find the weak spot, and put the ball there. It's the theory behind a lot of offensive schemes, including Ruowls's West Coast (at least, as I understand it), the Run-and-Shoot, the Air Raid, and pretty much all forms of the Triple Option. Just running plays the way they are drawn on paper is not how you get there. You get there by reading and reacting, and that doesn't seem to fit our offensive concept under either Bailiff or Bloomgren, at least not so far. From what little I've seen of Stanford, they pretty much appear to be running set plays directly out of the book, too. You can win with that when you out-athlete people. In fact, if you do out-athlete people it's probably the best approach, because it reduces or eliminates the freak plays that offset the odds.

I don't agree that Bloomgren's offensive philosophy is the best way to go at Rice. But at least I know what he is trying to do, which is different from the prior staff. I think three years is reasonable. If he can get it going in that time frame, then I say more power to him. If he can't then I'd like to see somebody closer to the philosophy that I would prefer.

You are mixing a few elements but essentially you are correct. If you need 12, you go deeper. There are ways to do this and open a passing lane even if they settle at 12. If they all settle at 12, then just go over them. What you are describing is a vertical stretch. You can do it on the sideline which is your traditional “flood” pattern. This works well against both 2 deep and 3 deep as well as man. You have a pretty good idea who will get the ball based on presnap look and situation. What a good passing team can do is get what they need by getting it to someone who increases the chances of getting it. Checking down is good on first and second down. It isn’t so good on third down. I would love to sit down and show you how it all works.
I have to comment on the “route running will fix Rice football” post. Obviously, there are problems beyond this. Engagement with the academic side is something I and others have said needs to happen. I was a Rice student who played football. I wasn’t a football player at Rice. One night while in school, I sat down with my 2 suite mates and talked with them about their majors and course work. They were skeptical that football players belonged at Rice. Once I engaged them and showed them that I was in the same boat as them and understood their studies on more than just a superficial level, they became football supporters. This isn’t that difficult a fix. Find commen connections, treat people with respect and be genuine.
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(11-04-2018 03:36 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(11-04-2018 12:52 PM)ruowls Wrote:  1) No changes
2) No- same basic teachings

I was commenting on this yesterday on Special Teams. Trammel fields punts with his palms turned outward, vs keeping his elbows in and using his body. I'm not sure whether the issue is catching technique, bad positioning or both - we had that turnover where the ball was attempted to be fielded over his head vs. being left alone.

And ST has been one of the lone bright spots of the year and Trammel is a big part of that. It just was odd to watch such fundamental issues with technique not get resolved.

It is easiest to catch a punt by putting the apex and beyond of the flight path at 10 o’clock. That ensures you don’t try to catch it over your head or have to reach for the ball. Turnovers and muffs are greatly diminished. And you catch it with your elbows in. Same with any catch. Forearms are much better at decelerating the ball than your fingers.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-03-2018 06:20 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Bailiff isnt coming back. And he already did his part running the program into the ground.

So it's pointless contrasting the two. The question is, can Bloomgren improve?

Good point, and good question.

I, for one, still think Bloomgen can turn this around. I do t have any objtive reason to think this; it’s really just a feeling I have.
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