(07-10-2018 02:04 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:52 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 06:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is all about Tubby love. I loved Tubby too until he was my coach. He has to be the most over-rated and under=performing coach since Dale Brown and Norm Stewart.

He didn't love Tubby much last year, either...

Rothstein's 2017 AAC Power Rankings

American Conference Offseason Power Rankings

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane
11. East Carolina
12. South Florida

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane (10)
11. East Carolina (11)
12. South Florida (12)

Last year's prediction wasn't that bad. He whiffed on SMU but they had a lot of injuries. Houston played better than expected mostly due to Rob Gray. Memphis and Tulsa both ended up better than he predicted.

A 9th place prediction last year seemed about right considering we had replaced most of the team with JUCO's. That makes the prediction this year a little crazier since we kept most of the best players from last year and added a top recruiting class.

The players returning managed 2 sub #88 RPI wins. The newcomers will have to carry the load.

Memphis was 4-10 vs. the RPI 100

Only Cinci, WSU and Houston were better...

So I think you are overstating the RPI numbers a bit especially picking an arbitrary number to make it look as bad as possible.

(07-10-2018 12:03 PM)steves Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:39 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 03:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 02:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I don't know how all 3 of those tweets can come out to be true...

In sum, he trashes Penny. Rothstein thinks we will have strong indivudual talent, but Penny cannot harness it.

I don't see trashing...

Dude has 0 experience coaching a college team.

Being apprehensive about his success should be normal.

I agree to a certain extent but I feel that he is not familiar with the tremendous success most of our recruits have had; let’s face it- our freshmen will make or break our season. Former NBA coaches don’t have a great track record and I think some CBB writers resent them coming into CBB.

That being said I believe in Penny.

^^^ This ^^^ Rothstein, Gotleib ... They're just playing their hand. The bottom line is do they admit their wrong ... Let's hope it's mid December !! Also ... Anybody seen a prediction from Parrish yet ??

A cardinal sin for media members is admitting errors unless absolutely cornered because they must protect their treasured credibility. Instead, on the rare occasions they discuss something they got wrong, they will point to changing circumstances no less predictable than an Act of God.

(07-10-2018 02:04 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:52 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 06:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is all about Tubby love. I loved Tubby too until he was my coach. He has to be the most over-rated and under=performing coach since Dale Brown and Norm Stewart.

He didn't love Tubby much last year, either...

Rothstein's 2017 AAC Power Rankings

American Conference Offseason Power Rankings

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane
11. East Carolina
12. South Florida

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane (10)
11. East Carolina (11)
12. South Florida (12)

Last year's prediction wasn't that bad. He whiffed on SMU but they had a lot of injuries. Houston played better than expected mostly due to Rob Gray. Memphis and Tulsa both ended up better than he predicted.

A 9th place prediction last year seemed about right considering we had replaced most of the team with JUCO's. That makes the prediction this year a little crazier since we kept most of the best players from last year and added a top recruiting class.

The players returning managed 2 sub #88 RPI wins. The newcomers will have to carry the load.

But many of the players from those teams aren't there now.

WSU essentially lost 7 of their top 9. UH lost Gray and Devin Davis. UC lost the AAC POY (Clark) and a 1st round NBA pick (Evans). SMU lost Milton, Emegelu, and Agau.

Memphis returns the most points of any AAC team and brings in the highest rated recruiting class.

That is a good sign.

(07-09-2018 08:39 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 03:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 02:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 12:16 PM)mairving Wrote:  

also

and

I don't know how all 3 of those tweets can come out to be true...

In sum, he trashes Penny. Rothstein thinks we will have strong indivudual talent, but Penny cannot harness it.

I don't see trashing...

Dude has 0 experience coaching a college team.

Being apprehensive about his success should be normal.

I agree to a certain extent but I feel that he is not familiar with the tremendous success most of our recruits have had; let’s face it- our freshmen will make or break our season. Former NBA coaches don’t have a great track record and I think some CBB writers resent them coming into CBB.

That being said I believe in Penny.

This is so true since most writers are friends with the very coaches who miss out on jobs due to guys like Penny. Many of these coaches were GA and 3rd assistant who served as good sources to feed them info and the writers write Love fest for them so they can get jobs or look like the next hit candidate. Penny success may mean others copy and thier friends could possibly be out of a job.

(07-10-2018 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 12:03 PM)steves Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:39 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 03:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 02:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  In sum, he trashes Penny. Rothstein thinks we will have strong indivudual talent, but Penny cannot harness it.

I don't see trashing...

Dude has 0 experience coaching a college team.

Being apprehensive about his success should be normal.

I agree to a certain extent but I feel that he is not familiar with the tremendous success most of our recruits have had; let’s face it- our freshmen will make or break our season. Former NBA coaches don’t have a great track record and I think some CBB writers resent them coming into CBB.

That being said I believe in Penny.

^^^ This ^^^ Rothstein, Gotleib ... They're just playing their hand. The bottom line is do they admit their wrong ... Let's hope it's mid December !! Also ... Anybody seen a prediction from Parrish yet ??

A cardinal sin for media members is admitting errors unless absolutely cornered because they must protect their treasured credibility. Instead, on the rare occasions they discuss something they got wrong, they will point to changing circumstances no less predictable than an Act of God.

Exactly !!

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

Who cares what he predicts. The Tigers will finish in the top 3 in conference.

Accidentally posted this I another thread but...
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...gs.268806/

(07-10-2018 03:35 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

I distinctly remember the game and was shocked at lack of any scheme to break the pressure. That was a neutral court tourney. Don’t know who was keeping up with turnovers but he was asleep. how likely do you think a below average team has that many possessions with no PG and has 7 turnovers? I will see if I can find it on YouTube.

I find it baffling but at the same time repugnant at the glee of posters when they THINK they have caught another poster’s mistake. What is the fun of it? You hide behind a keyboard and act like the Romans at Coliseum during death matches. Are we all Tigers fans here are there SEC and other schools trolls baiting us? Because if this is all Tigers fans, our fan base sucks.

(07-10-2018 02:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 02:04 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:52 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 06:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is all about Tubby love. I loved Tubby too until he was my coach. He has to be the most over-rated and under=performing coach since Dale Brown and Norm Stewart.

He didn't love Tubby much last year, either...

Rothstein's 2017 AAC Power Rankings

American Conference Offseason Power Rankings

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane
11. East Carolina
12. South Florida

1. Wichita State (3)
2. Cincinnati (1)
3. UCF (6)
4. SMU (9)
5. UConn (8)
6. Temple (7)
7. Houston (2)
8. Tulsa (4)
9. Memphis (5)
10. Tulane (10)
11. East Carolina (11)
12. South Florida (12)

Last year's prediction wasn't that bad. He whiffed on SMU but they had a lot of injuries. Houston played better than expected mostly due to Rob Gray. Memphis and Tulsa both ended up better than he predicted.

A 9th place prediction last year seemed about right considering we had replaced most of the team with JUCO's. That makes the prediction this year a little crazier since we kept most of the best players from last year and added a top recruiting class.

The players returning managed 2 sub #88 RPI wins. The newcomers will have to carry the load.

Memphis was 4-10 vs. the RPI 100

Only Cinci, WSU and Houston were better...

So I think you are overstating the RPI numbers a bit especially picking an arbitrary number to make it look as bad as possible.

What’s arbitrary about cutting off at a decent number. Beating the 88th ranked team was not to be crowing about. This 1-100 RPI rankings are broken down into groups of 25 on most good sites. 1-25, 26-50, etc.

Giving you two extremes. You win 4 games in the last group 75-100 and another teams wins 2 in first group and 2 in second group. Both won 4 games vs top 100 of RPI. Big difference tho.

(07-10-2018 08:17 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Accidentally posted this I another thread but...
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...gs.268806/

It's nice to see that Kentucky fans are ate up with Memphis.

(07-10-2018 09:19 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:17 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Accidentally posted this I another thread but...
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...gs.268806/

It's nice to see that Kentucky fans are ate up with Memphis.

A bunch of pansies and not really what I wanted to say. Without a doubt the most arrogant fan base in America. And they’ve done well but who has won the most NCs since tubby won his?

I doubt R'stein gave our conference much thought...just sayin.

We are a 2--3 bid league...lol

And 2 of our 3 went out in the first round. smh

UC: made history in losing a 22-point second-half lead, the largest such post-halftime comeback in NCAA Tournament annals. Nevada also tied the second-biggest comeback in NCAA Tournament history...


WSU: The 13th-seeded Marshall Thundering Herd pulled off the first upset of Friday's action at the 2018 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament, defeating the No. 4 seed Wichita State Shockers 81-75.


At least Houston didn't totally coug it.

That being said, I fully expect Penny to put us back on the radar screen.

Basically the media is saying, we simply don't know.

There are just too many unknown factors for us to pick. Memphis looks decent on paper, but their coaching staff is new. No telling if Martin is coming back healthy and they are breaking in a bunch of new players.

Is it ridiculous for them to pick us 8th, yes. Is it so ridiculous that it makes the writer seem like he knows nothing about basketball, I wouldn't go that far. I can honestly see us anywhere from 1-6. If the coaches are as good as we think they'll be and the new players add depth and talent to what is returning, then top part of the conference is almost guaranteed in my eyes.

Win big THIS year.

Bet that.

100% confident in coaches, staff, and players.

100%.

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

When you take care of the ball and score 100 points, you should not have more than 2-3 turnovers. With so few possessions, 7 is a TON of turnovers.

(07-10-2018 11:36 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Basically the media is saying, we simply don't know.

There are just too many unknown factors for us to pick. Memphis looks decent on paper, but their coaching staff is new. No telling if Martin is coming back healthy and they are breaking in a bunch of new players.

Is it ridiculous for them to pick us 8th, yes. Is it so ridiculous that it makes the writer seem like he knows nothing about basketball, I wouldn't go that far. I can honestly see us anywhere from 1-6. If the coaches are as good as we think they'll be and the new players add depth and talent to what is returning, then top part of the conference is almost guaranteed in my eyes.

I agree there are unknown factors with the roster, but the same factors exist to varying degrees for teams ranked ahead of us. Which AAC team(s) possess the mix of talent (2 years consecutive #1 AAC classes and last year was not close) and experience (4 of top 5 leading scorers and rebounders return)? There cannot be seven schools better than us in that regard.

The reason for, IMO, Rothstein’s low ranking is his disparaging opinion of Penny and staff. Ironically, last year his low ranking was due to the roster (assuming he fawns over Tubby like most of the national media). The other option is he hates Memphis.

(07-10-2018 09:04 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:35 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

I distinctly remember the game and was shocked at lack of any scheme to break the pressure. That was a neutral court tourney. Don’t know who was keeping up with turnovers but he was asleep. how likely do you think a below average team has that many possessions with no PG and has 7 turnovers? I will see if I can find it on YouTube.

I find it baffling but at the same time repugnant at the glee of posters when they THINK they have caught another poster’s mistake. What is the fun of it? You hide behind a keyboard and act like the Romans at Coliseum during death matches. Are we all Tigers fans here are there SEC and other schools trolls baiting us? Because if this is all Tigers fans, our fan base sucks.

You have to admit that it is funny.

(07-10-2018 11:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I doubt R'stein gave our conference much thought...just sayin.

We are a 2--3 bid league...lol

And 2 of our 3 went out in the first round. smh

UC: made history in losing a 22-point second-half lead, the largest such post-halftime comeback in NCAA Tournament annals. Nevada also tied the second-biggest comeback in NCAA Tournament history...


WSU: The 13th-seeded Marshall Thundering Herd pulled off the first upset of Friday's action at the 2018 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament, defeating the No. 4 seed Wichita State Shockers 81-75.


At least Houston didn't totally coug it.

That being said, I fully expect Penny to put us back on the radar screen.

Yep!!

(07-11-2018 06:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

When you take care of the ball and score 100 points, you should not have more than 2-3 turnovers. With so few possessions, 7 is a TON of turnovers.

Huh? Is this sarcasm or just non-sensical?

(07-10-2018 09:04 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:35 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:11 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 08:55 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 04:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby was a very good coach... just not much of a recruiter or a salesman.

Tubby wasn’t a great coach; decent at best overall. I remember the Iowa game early in his tenure at Memphis when we got a big lead and they started pressing us and Martin was Tubby’s primary ball handler. Martin did not keep the ball to the center of the floor or pass over an extended D but, time after time, would go to the trap spots (where the half court and sideline act as two additional defenders) and pull up his dribble. We had a ton of turnovers and were very fortunate that Iowa was not very good or disciplined that season. That’s just one example.

Iowa vs. Memphis
Memphis won 100-92
Jeremiah Martin stats: 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers
Memphis team stats: 7 turnovers

Good memory...

I distinctly remember the game and was shocked at lack of any scheme to break the pressure. That was a neutral court tourney. Don’t know who was keeping up with turnovers but he was asleep. how likely do you think a below average team has that many possessions with no PG and has 7 turnovers? I will see if I can find it on YouTube.

I find it baffling but at the same time repugnant at the glee of posters when they THINK they have caught another poster’s mistake. What is the fun of it? You hide behind a keyboard and act like the Romans at Coliseum during death matches. Are we all Tigers fans here are there SEC and other schools trolls baiting us? Because if this is all Tigers fans, our fan base sucks.

And you're arguing with the official game statistician.
You know what that does to your cred, don't you??