(06-24-2018 03:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  For many, they first saw it when that POS Walter Cronkite helped the NVA. Of course, LBJ had a lot to do with that too. (FWIW, IMO at least, 'Nam wouldn't have been the debacle it was if JFK not been murdered.)

However, for me, it was on election night 1988. I was 12 years old and Bush the old man (I don't say that as an insult, BTW) won against that little **** weasel Dukakis. Peter Jennings let out a big sigh and said, "It appears George Bush is indeed going to be the President of the United States".

He looked ready to cry. And I laughed at this little man.

you were taught and absorbed "veddy well"

Well, to be honest - take a look at all of the role models a young man would have had in the 80's:

Ronald Reagan
Margaret Thatcher
Pope John Paul II
Optimus Prime (don 't laugh - he was basically a robot version of Ronald Reagan)

Mr. T (who really is a great person, IMO)
Hulk Hogan
Lion-O
Duke, Flint, and the rest of the Joe team
He-Man, Man-at-Arms and the rest of the gang
Captain Kirk
Captain Picard

And countless others...

Now look at today....

None....

We don't like the idea of media bias, but we still seek out media that agrees with our biases. It's one of those situations where what we say doesn't match our actions.

There's a reason we live in the age of the news commentator and not the reporter. A commentator will be a celebrity and a reporter will go down in layoffs. We're attracted to the commentator, but if it's a guy who just reports facts, we don't even know their names.

(06-24-2018 03:22 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  For many, they first saw it when that POS Walter Cronkite helped the NVA. Of course, LBJ had a lot to do with that too. (FWIW, IMO at least, 'Nam wouldn't have been the debacle it was if JFK not been murdered.)

However, for me, it was on election night 1988. I was 12 years old and Bush the old man (I don't say that as an insult, BTW) won against that little **** weasel Dukakis. Peter Jennings let out a big sigh and said, "It appears George Bush is indeed going to be the President of the United States".

He looked ready to cry. And I laughed at this little man.

you were taught and absorbed "veddy well"

Well, to be honest - take a look at all of the role models a young man would have had in the 80's:

Ronald Reagan
Margaret Thatcher
Pope John Paul II
Optimus Prime (don 't laugh - he was basically a robot version of Ronald Reagan)
Mr. T (who really is a great person, IMO)
Hulk Hogan
Lion-O
Duke, Flint, and the rest of the Joe team
He-Man, Man-at-Arms and the rest of the gang
Captain Kirk
Captain Picard

And countless others...

Now look at today....

None....

I got ya by 11 yrs.......regardless, that's actually a really good take on it from that point forward.....

one could extrapolate to how much easier divorce became and LBJ's great arse society influenced coupled with a the msm meltdown due to 'pressures'........but yeah, they all worked in tandem up to a point.....

I'll carry guilt to my grave for having a daughter.......................I FKN KNEW BETTER to bring someone into what this would become.........

Isn't Capt. Picard a gay liberal in real life? He wouldn't be my, how'd you call it, a role model to me.

(06-24-2018 03:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:22 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 03:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  For many, they first saw it when that POS Walter Cronkite helped the NVA. Of course, LBJ had a lot to do with that too. (FWIW, IMO at least, 'Nam wouldn't have been the debacle it was if JFK not been murdered.)

However, for me, it was on election night 1988. I was 12 years old and Bush the old man (I don't say that as an insult, BTW) won against that little **** weasel Dukakis. Peter Jennings let out a big sigh and said, "It appears George Bush is indeed going to be the President of the United States".

He looked ready to cry. And I laughed at this little man.

you were taught and absorbed "veddy well"

Well, to be honest - take a look at all of the role models a young man would have had in the 80's:

Ronald Reagan
Margaret Thatcher
Pope John Paul II
Optimus Prime (don 't laugh - he was basically a robot version of Ronald Reagan)
Mr. T (who really is a great person, IMO)
Hulk Hogan
Lion-O
Duke, Flint, and the rest of the Joe team
He-Man, Man-at-Arms and the rest of the gang
Captain Kirk
Captain Picard

And countless others...

Now look at today....

None....

I got ya by 11 yrs.......regardless, that's actually a really good take on it from that point forward.....

one could extrapolate to how much easier divorce became and LBJ's great arse society influenced coupled with a the msm meltdown due to 'pressures'........but yeah, they all worked in tandem up to a point.....

I'll carry guilt to my grave for having a daughter.......................I FKN KNEW BETTER to bring someone into what this would become.........

I understand - to a point as I have no kids but yeah, the 80's were a great time for a young boy to have good positive alpha type male role models.

Take a look at the Rocky movies, numbers 3 and 4 specifically and see how wholesome Rocky Balboa was.

You know, I will admit the hypocrisy, bias, controlling the narrative, hyperbole, fear mongering, et. al., has been very frustrating at times. But then I remember...we have an elected POTUS that strategically exposed this liberal ideology power base for what it truly is and in the power of the tweet, crumbled their secure world around them. Now, true patriot Americans are standing firm and pushing this mediaopoly out of the way.

(06-24-2018 03:32 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Isn't Capt. Picard a gay liberal in real life? He wouldn't be my, how'd you call it, a role model to me.

Huh ? No, Patrick Stewart is straight and has a family. His politics I don't care about to a degree as long as I don't have to be lectured on them.

As for the character of Jean-Luc Picard, while not as much of a cowboy as Jimmy Kirk, he had a badass streak within him.

He helped stave off a costly Klingon civil war, prevented the Romulans from at attack on the Federation, went back in time and meet Mark Twain, stopped the Borg after dealing with the PTSD that being assimilated caused him, had the balls to kick Worf off the bridge, and bedded just as many women in the process as Captain Kirk.

As the Klingon Chancellor said to him, "You swear well Picard. You must have Klingon in you."

Remember that great speech a few days after 9-11 that W. gave to the Nation ? Watch this and don't tell me some of it was inspired by this:

(06-24-2018 03:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You know, I will admit the hypocrisy, bias, controlling the narrative, hyperbole, fear mongering, et. al., has been very frustrating at times. But then I remember...we have an elected POTUS that strategically exposed this liberal ideology power base for what it truly is and in the power of the tweet, crumbled their secure world around them. Now, true patriot Americans are standing firm and pushing this mediaopoly out of the way.

THE CRIPPLER

Wow, you surprise me Spirit. If I never read your posts I would swear you're a Liberal. I'm just glad you're not.

Don't go into the "Dark Side" though. LOL

(06-24-2018 04:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Wow, you surprise me Spirit. If I never read your posts I would swear you're a Liberal. I'm just glad you're not.

Don't go into the "Dark Side" though. LOL

Huh ? Cause I like Star Trek (well, the old Star Trek) ?

Sorry, but I don't get it. I can out right wing anyone. If anything, Star Trek is actually a libertarian view of the future.

I would be willing to believe that people really dislike biased media if they stopped seeking biased media.

Look at the thread titles in the Spin Room (or reddit's r/politics for liberals). You can't tell me that at least the OPs aren't happily consuming biased media.

(06-24-2018 04:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I would be willing to believe that people really dislike biased media if they stopped seeking biased media.

Look at the thread titles in the Spin Room (or reddit's r/politics for liberals). You can't tell me that at least the OPs aren't happily consuming biased media.

it depends whether one is a sadist or masochist.....

then there's the sadomasochist that likes to make fun of stuffin's.....

(06-24-2018 12:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 10:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Manipulation and control of media content is just one tactic.

Control of education is another. Begin propaganda as early in life as possible in the schools and you'll be able to manufacture voters supportive of your policies. And we see a rash of Millennials who think socialism is the way to go. Why, because they've been taught that every day of school throughout their lives.

I don't think it's nearly that simple. Any propaganda is being driven by the communities these public schools reside in and not the education system reformulating the political views of the communities. IMHO, the more concerted effort to adjust political viewpoints occurs on college campuses. Even there, I think it's more limited to the lower value degrees anyways. It's a lot easier to politicize courses linked to the various "_________ Studies" majors, communications and sociology/psychology. IMHO, it's much harder to politicize STEM programs. It can surely be done, but I think it is pretty hard to politicize actual science and math topics. There is no politics in an eigenvector or a laplace transform.

We can discuss which came first, but keep in mind that education is a state function, not local community. The state education committee sets all education-related policies and procedures. If a local school is not maintaining a certain standard the state will take it over.

Local school boards have very little authority. They allocate the budget to the various departments but their curriculum is set by the state. The state often times has several texts to choose from, but the local district is bound by the state guidelines.

And with federal education reform programs such as No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) mandating policy in order to receive federal funds, the various states have granted control to the US Dept of Education, which, by the way, is grossly unconstitutional.

I live in a county in TN which is part of the Memphis metro area. It is a GOP county in a GOP state. Our state senator Delores Gresham was the chair of the state education committee, a very powerful position.

She couldn't hand over control fast enough to Obama/Arne Duncan for Race to the Top $$$$. Tennessee was one of the first states to sign on to Common Core.

Common Core traces its roots back to UNESCO. From the 2000 Dakar Framework for Action and before, to the 2030 Incheon Declaration and Framework for Action, the globalists have been pushing a global education plan to all member states. As of now, this process of teaching math and reading has been a failure.

But UNESCO goals include more than just education. It include various Social Justice philosophies as well.


This is one item found at the UNESCO Education page:

Are education systems LGBTI-inclusive? UNESCO teams up with LGBT youth organization to find out
22 JUNE 2018


The local school board and community have the least say in the content of the education process.

I wouldn't celebrate those poll numbers too much. Liberals are claiming they see bias as well.

(06-24-2018 06:15 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 12:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 10:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Manipulation and control of media content is just one tactic.

Control of education is another. Begin propaganda as early in life as possible in the schools and you'll be able to manufacture voters supportive of your policies. And we see a rash of Millennials who think socialism is the way to go. Why, because they've been taught that every day of school throughout their lives.

I don't think it's nearly that simple. Any propaganda is being driven by the communities these public schools reside in and not the education system reformulating the political views of the communities. IMHO, the more concerted effort to adjust political viewpoints occurs on college campuses. Even there, I think it's more limited to the lower value degrees anyways. It's a lot easier to politicize courses linked to the various "_________ Studies" majors, communications and sociology/psychology. IMHO, it's much harder to politicize STEM programs. It can surely be done, but I think it is pretty hard to politicize actual science and math topics. There is no politics in an eigenvector or a laplace transform.

We can discuss which came first, but keep in mind that education is a state function, not local community. The state education committee sets all education-related policies and procedures. If a local school is not maintaining a certain standard the state will take it over.

Local school boards have very little authority. They allocate the budget to the various departments but their curriculum is set by the state. The state often times has several texts to choose from, but the local district is bound by the state guidelines.

And with federal education reform programs such as No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) mandating policy in order to receive federal funds, the various states have granted control to the US Dept of Education, which, by the way, is grossly unconstitutional.

I live in a county in TN which is part of the Memphis metro area. It is a GOP county in a GOP state. Our state senator Delores Gresham was the chair of the state education committee, a very powerful position.

She couldn't hand over control fast enough to Obama/Arne Duncan for Race to the Top $$$$. Tennessee was one of the first states to sign on to Common Core.

Common Core traces its roots back to UNESCO. From the 2000 Dakar Framework for Action and before, to the 2030 Incheon Declaration and Framework for Action, the globalists have been pushing a global education plan to all member states. As of now, this process of teaching math and reading has been a failure.

But UNESCO goals include more than just education. It include various Social Justice philosophies as well.


This is one item found at the UNESCO Education page:

Are education systems LGBTI-inclusive? UNESCO teams up with LGBT youth organization to find out
22 JUNE 2018


The local school board and community have the least say in the content of the education process.

great post......to the bold, I made that exact point in another thread.....

it's too sad too many have zero clue about the 'why' and why it should allow fail to achieve success for more as we progress......

federally, you establish a funded tiered system that is dictated by the individual needs by the state....................but nah........that's just silly talk.....

#fknmorons

(06-24-2018 06:15 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 12:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 10:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Manipulation and control of media content is just one tactic.

Control of education is another. Begin propaganda as early in life as possible in the schools and you'll be able to manufacture voters supportive of your policies. And we see a rash of Millennials who think socialism is the way to go. Why, because they've been taught that every day of school throughout their lives.

I don't think it's nearly that simple. Any propaganda is being driven by the communities these public schools reside in and not the education system reformulating the political views of the communities. IMHO, the more concerted effort to adjust political viewpoints occurs on college campuses. Even there, I think it's more limited to the lower value degrees anyways. It's a lot easier to politicize courses linked to the various "_________ Studies" majors, communications and sociology/psychology. IMHO, it's much harder to politicize STEM programs. It can surely be done, but I think it is pretty hard to politicize actual science and math topics. There is no politics in an eigenvector or a laplace transform.

We can discuss which came first, but keep in mind that education is a state function, not local community. The state education committee sets all education-related policies and procedures. If a local school is not maintaining a certain standard the state will take it over.

Local school boards have very little authority. They allocate the budget to the various departments but their curriculum is set by the state. The state often times has several texts to choose from, but the local district is bound by the state guidelines.

And with federal education reform programs such as No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) mandating policy in order to receive federal funds, the various states have granted control to the US Dept of Education, which, by the way, is grossly unconstitutional.

I live in a county in TN which is part of the Memphis metro area. It is a GOP county in a GOP state. Our state senator Delores Gresham was the chair of the state education committee, a very powerful position.

She couldn't hand over control fast enough to Obama/Arne Duncan for Race to the Top $$$$. Tennessee was one of the first states to sign on to Common Core.

Common Core traces its roots back to UNESCO. From the 2000 Dakar Framework for Action and before, to the 2030 Incheon Declaration and Framework for Action, the globalists have been pushing a global education plan to all member states. As of now, this process of teaching math and reading has been a failure.

But UNESCO goals include more than just education. It include various Social Justice philosophies as well.


This is one item found at the UNESCO Education page:

Are education systems LGBTI-inclusive? UNESCO teams up with LGBT youth organization to find out
22 JUNE 2018


The local school board and community have the least say in the content of the education process.

I understand that the states are responsible for education and that the Bush and Obama initiated programs blurred lines of who control education. However, those programs are still administered on the local level and the local school districts ultimately have to implement them. I've seen enough of the local schools and people who work in them to know that pushing a political agenda is highly dependent on where your district is located. I live in fly over country. My local school district plus the catholic schools don't push what I would consider a blatantly SJW style curriculum. Now there are a few teachers who lean that way and can put some of that into the curriculum; however, in most cases the kids tend to follow the politics of the family they belong to. We've had public school education for a very long time and this nation did not lurch hard towards progressivism for many decades. I won't argue that there are groups that are pushing the SJW/progressive causes and are trying to influence education at the elementary and high school levels.

My point is that the public education system was not originally designed to carry out the goals of Marx and Engels. But I do agree that in more recent times people are trying to make that happen. Ultimately, it's the quality of the family life that each child has that will determine whether the child becomes a sheep or becomes an independent thinker who strives to be self reliant. The local community is next in line of importance.

Just like politics is primarily local - so is education. Maybe not in the overall guidelines but definitely when it comes to implementation. There is a lot of gray when it comes to implementation. JMHO.

(06-24-2018 08:20 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 06:15 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 12:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 10:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Manipulation and control of media content is just one tactic.

Control of education is another. Begin propaganda as early in life as possible in the schools and you'll be able to manufacture voters supportive of your policies. And we see a rash of Millennials who think socialism is the way to go. Why, because they've been taught that every day of school throughout their lives.

I don't think it's nearly that simple. Any propaganda is being driven by the communities these public schools reside in and not the education system reformulating the political views of the communities. IMHO, the more concerted effort to adjust political viewpoints occurs on college campuses. Even there, I think it's more limited to the lower value degrees anyways. It's a lot easier to politicize courses linked to the various "_________ Studies" majors, communications and sociology/psychology. IMHO, it's much harder to politicize STEM programs. It can surely be done, but I think it is pretty hard to politicize actual science and math topics. There is no politics in an eigenvector or a laplace transform.

We can discuss which came first, but keep in mind that education is a state function, not local community. The state education committee sets all education-related policies and procedures. If a local school is not maintaining a certain standard the state will take it over.

Local school boards have very little authority. They allocate the budget to the various departments but their curriculum is set by the state. The state often times has several texts to choose from, but the local district is bound by the state guidelines.

And with federal education reform programs such as No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) mandating policy in order to receive federal funds, the various states have granted control to the US Dept of Education, which, by the way, is grossly unconstitutional.

I live in a county in TN which is part of the Memphis metro area. It is a GOP county in a GOP state. Our state senator Delores Gresham was the chair of the state education committee, a very powerful position.

She couldn't hand over control fast enough to Obama/Arne Duncan for Race to the Top $$$$. Tennessee was one of the first states to sign on to Common Core.

Common Core traces its roots back to UNESCO. From the 2000 Dakar Framework for Action and before, to the 2030 Incheon Declaration and Framework for Action, the globalists have been pushing a global education plan to all member states. As of now, this process of teaching math and reading has been a failure.

But UNESCO goals include more than just education. It include various Social Justice philosophies as well.


This is one item found at the UNESCO Education page:

Are education systems LGBTI-inclusive? UNESCO teams up with LGBT youth organization to find out
22 JUNE 2018


The local school board and community have the least say in the content of the education process.

I understand that the states are responsible for education and that the Bush and Obama initiated programs blurred lines of who control education. However, those programs are still administered on the local level and the local school districts ultimately have to implement them. I've seen enough of the local schools and people who work in them to know that pushing a political agenda is highly dependent on where your district is located. I live in fly over country. My local school district plus the catholic schools don't push what I would consider a blatantly SJW style curriculum. Now there are a few teachers who lean that way and can put some of that into the curriculum; however, in most cases the kids tend to follow the politics of the family they belong to. We've had public school education for a very long time and this nation did not lurch hard towards progressivism for many decades. I won't argue that there are groups that are pushing the SJW/progressive causes and are trying to influence education at the elementary and high school levels.

My point is that the public education system was not originally designed to carry out the goals of Marx and Engels. But I do agree that in more recent times people are trying to make that happen. Ultimately, it's the quality of the family life that each child has that will determine whether the child becomes a sheep or becomes an independent thinker who strives to be self reliant. The local community is next in line of importance.

Just like politics is primarily local - so is education. Maybe not in the overall guidelines but definitely when it comes to implementation. There is a lot of gray when it comes to implementation. JMHO.

if it's broken basically beyond repair, why not design a system that funds 'feet on the godddammmed fk'n ground' where req'd'

I'm so sick of this stupid bs.......g'dam dipfks......

what the fk is wrong with people not understanding how we got here and symbiotic is a REAL FKN thingy............

it's just mind blowing how stupid people really fk'n are.........

(06-24-2018 08:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 08:20 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 06:15 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 12:55 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 10:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Manipulation and control of media content is just one tactic.

Control of education is another. Begin propaganda as early in life as possible in the schools and you'll be able to manufacture voters supportive of your policies. And we see a rash of Millennials who think socialism is the way to go. Why, because they've been taught that every day of school throughout their lives.

I don't think it's nearly that simple. Any propaganda is being driven by the communities these public schools reside in and not the education system reformulating the political views of the communities. IMHO, the more concerted effort to adjust political viewpoints occurs on college campuses. Even there, I think it's more limited to the lower value degrees anyways. It's a lot easier to politicize courses linked to the various "_________ Studies" majors, communications and sociology/psychology. IMHO, it's much harder to politicize STEM programs. It can surely be done, but I think it is pretty hard to politicize actual science and math topics. There is no politics in an eigenvector or a laplace transform.

We can discuss which came first, but keep in mind that education is a state function, not local community. The state education committee sets all education-related policies and procedures. If a local school is not maintaining a certain standard the state will take it over.

Local school boards have very little authority. They allocate the budget to the various departments but their curriculum is set by the state. The state often times has several texts to choose from, but the local district is bound by the state guidelines.

And with federal education reform programs such as No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) mandating policy in order to receive federal funds, the various states have granted control to the US Dept of Education, which, by the way, is grossly unconstitutional.

I live in a county in TN which is part of the Memphis metro area. It is a GOP county in a GOP state. Our state senator Delores Gresham was the chair of the state education committee, a very powerful position.

She couldn't hand over control fast enough to Obama/Arne Duncan for Race to the Top $$$$. Tennessee was one of the first states to sign on to Common Core.

Common Core traces its roots back to UNESCO. From the 2000 Dakar Framework for Action and before, to the 2030 Incheon Declaration and Framework for Action, the globalists have been pushing a global education plan to all member states. As of now, this process of teaching math and reading has been a failure.

But UNESCO goals include more than just education. It include various Social Justice philosophies as well.


This is one item found at the UNESCO Education page:

Are education systems LGBTI-inclusive? UNESCO teams up with LGBT youth organization to find out
22 JUNE 2018


The local school board and community have the least say in the content of the education process.

I understand that the states are responsible for education and that the Bush and Obama initiated programs blurred lines of who control education. However, those programs are still administered on the local level and the local school districts ultimately have to implement them. I've seen enough of the local schools and people who work in them to know that pushing a political agenda is highly dependent on where your district is located. I live in fly over country. My local school district plus the catholic schools don't push what I would consider a blatantly SJW style curriculum. Now there are a few teachers who lean that way and can put some of that into the curriculum; however, in most cases the kids tend to follow the politics of the family they belong to. We've had public school education for a very long time and this nation did not lurch hard towards progressivism for many decades. I won't argue that there are groups that are pushing the SJW/progressive causes and are trying to influence education at the elementary and high school levels.

My point is that the public education system was not originally designed to carry out the goals of Marx and Engels. But I do agree that in more recent times people are trying to make that happen. Ultimately, it's the quality of the family life that each child has that will determine whether the child becomes a sheep or becomes an independent thinker who strives to be self reliant. The local community is next in line of importance.

Just like politics is primarily local - so is education. Maybe not in the overall guidelines but definitely when it comes to implementation. There is a lot of gray when it comes to implementation. JMHO.

if it's broken basically beyond repair, why not design a system that funds 'feet on the godddammmed fk'n ground' where req'd'

I'm so sick of this stupid bs.......g'dam dipfks......

what the fk is wrong with people not understanding how we got here and symbiotic is a REAL FKN thingy............

it's just mind blowing how stupid people really fk'n are.........

Pump the brakes, stink. I'm only commenting on my opinion that indoctrination into progressive politics is not going on en mass in the public elementary, middle and high schools. I'm sure in some places it is and at others it's not. I'm not commenting on whether the education system needs revamped or if it needs to be reformed.