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(05-08-2018 09:14 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

If I remember correctly, ESPN cancelled that program. I certainly could be wrong, but I could of swore that happened a handful of years ago. The Cleveland State win at the TED in 2011 may have been the last one for us. I remember Norris Cole shooting bombs!

ESPN did cancel it, which also is not a valid reason for the conferences not to get together and do it on their own.

(05-08-2018 09:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:14 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

If I remember correctly, ESPN cancelled that program. I certainly could be wrong, but I could of swore that happened a handful of years ago. The Cleveland State win at the TED in 2011 may have been the last one for us. I remember Norris Cole shooting bombs!

ESPN did cancel it, which also is not a valid reason for the conferences not to get together and do it on their own.

That's why I suggested taking a buy game on the road and using the money to travel and schedule H/H series against the likes of Colorado State, Nevada, St. Mary's etc. Would give us a strong opponent at home and two strong opponents on the road every year as well as expose us to differing styles of play and get our name out there in different recruiting grounds. There is no way we are going to regularly have an at large schedule only scheduling CAA and A10 teams, especially now that VCU is back to reality and Mooney has sort of run his course at Richmond. The reason we can't schedule like we used to is money. That problem is solved by dropping someone like Towson off the schedule and replacing them with a trip to the Dean Dome.

Of course, we then run into the problem of fielding a team that can get multiple big wins against a schedule like that.

(05-08-2018 09:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:14 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

If I remember correctly, ESPN cancelled that program. I certainly could be wrong, but I could of swore that happened a handful of years ago. The Cleveland State win at the TED in 2011 may have been the last one for us. I remember Norris Cole shooting bombs!

ESPN did cancel it, which also is not a valid reason for the conferences not to get together and do it on their own.

The sticking point would be all conferences involved would likely need to be under the same network umbrella to insure it finds a T.V. home and the leagues have added financial motivation to make it happen.

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

They had it until the CAA moved to NBC Family and they couldn't match up teams on television. That and the return game clause.

Let's keep any personal references out of the debate.

Thanks

(05-08-2018 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Let's keep any personal references out of the debate.

Thanks

LOL, one guy has done it for over a decade, but no one actually does anything about it so posters are forced to just block.

(05-08-2018 09:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

They had it until the CAA moved to NBC Family and they couldn't match up teams on television. That and the return game clause.

We need to just do it. As in ODU. Forget the conferences. Find a way to make a little extra money (I suggest buy games at ACC schools like UNC and Duke) and just buy the H/H. Nothing is ever going to happen waiting on CUSA to get it done. We have more value on our own than as a group.

(05-08-2018 09:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:14 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

If I remember correctly, ESPN cancelled that program. I certainly could be wrong, but I could of swore that happened a handful of years ago. The Cleveland State win at the TED in 2011 may have been the last one for us. I remember Norris Cole shooting bombs!

ESPN did cancel it, which also is not a valid reason for the conferences not to get together and do it on their own.

The sticking point would be all conferences involved would likely need to be under the same network umbrella to insure it finds a T.V. home and the leagues have added financial motivation to make it happen.

Here is motivation. Better computer rankings and more quality opponents = more teams in the tournament and higher seeds, which equals more $ shares which = way more $ than any mid majors are getting for TV deals.

(05-08-2018 10:06 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:32 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:14 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We hear so much complaining about how hard it is for good mids to schedule games that will boost their resume, but none of them seem willing to play each other. Why is there not something like Bracket Busters to get some quality competition as the season comes down the stretch.

If I remember correctly, ESPN cancelled that program. I certainly could be wrong, but I could of swore that happened a handful of years ago. The Cleveland State win at the TED in 2011 may have been the last one for us. I remember Norris Cole shooting bombs!

ESPN did cancel it, which also is not a valid reason for the conferences not to get together and do it on their own.

The sticking point would be all conferences involved would likely need to be under the same network umbrella to insure it finds a T.V. home and the leagues have added financial motivation to make it happen.

Here is motivation. Better computer rankings and more quality opponents = more teams in the tournament and higher seeds, which equals more $ shares which = way more $ than any mid majors are getting for TV deals.

But bracket busters failed more often than not to deliver games that actually did that.
https://www.midmajormadness.com/features...tter-sweet

(05-08-2018 07:22 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I was told, by a former player during the WKU game, that Blaine's teams would've run both of those teams out of the gym. He was speaking about WKU and ODU obviously.

That must've been a helluva ODU team back then because I don't think I saw anyone run WKU off the court this year...CUSA, G5 or P5 even.

But I do remember that CAA-laden ODU squad that people are raving about on here get smashed by 40+ at home against UAB. And I believe they got us good down in Birmingham as well during those tremendous CAA years. I trying hard to remember that happening over the past 5-6 years to I can get my perspective right. Lol.

(05-08-2018 10:51 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:22 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I was told, by a former player during the WKU game, that Blaine's teams would've run both of those teams out of the gym. He was speaking about WKU and ODU obviously.

That must've been a helluva ODU team back then because I don't think I saw anyone run WKU off the court this year...CUSA, G5 or P5 even.

But I do remember that CAA-laden ODU squad that people are raving about on here get smashed by 40+ at home against UAB. And I believe they got us good down in Birmingham as well during those tremendous CAA years. I trying hard to remember that happening over the past 5-6 years to I can get my perspective right. Lol.

Our 2010 team was probably the best we ever had. 2011 was a step below that.

Other than those 2 teams, last years team ranks pretty high up historically. Maybe not the best, but certainly in the conversation. FWIW, former players always think they are better than the current group. Its like our generation thinking the following generation are lazy, empowered, yada yada

Yeah, Mike Anderson was the one guy that had Blaine's number. He ran us off the court when he was at UAB and again when he was at Missouri. We went 0-4 against him in those 2 series. Good thing is we were able to balance those losses with big wins.

Also, the 05-06 UAB team that ran us out of the gym was a top 50 team that went on to be a 9 seed in the NCAA tournament (at-large) so you aren't comparing apples to apples when you try to draw a parallel to the current UAB program that has finished with RPIs of 142, 153, 122, 81, 199, and 155, respectively, since we joined CUSA. That would be like dismissing Blaine's top 10 wins at Georgetown because they suck today. UAB cannot be happy with where their program has gone in recent years either.

(05-08-2018 11:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Yeah, Mike Anderson was the one guy that had Blaine's number. He ran us off the court when he was at UAB and again when he was at Missouri. We went 0-4 against him in those 2 series. Good thing is we were able to balance those losses with big wins.

Also, the 05-06 UAB team that ran us out of the gym was a top 50 team that went on to be a 9 seed in the NCAA tournament (at-large) so you aren't comparing apples to apples when you try to draw a parallel to the current UAB program that has finished with RPIs of 142, 153, 122, 81, 199, and 155, respectively, since we joined CUSA. UAB cannot be happy with where their program has gone in recent years either.

Speaking of UAB, they just extended Ehsan through 2022;

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/5/8...u-marshall

(05-08-2018 10:51 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:22 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I was told, by a former player during the WKU game, that Blaine's teams would've run both of those teams out of the gym. He was speaking about WKU and ODU obviously.

That must've been a helluva ODU team back then because I don't think I saw anyone run WKU off the court this year...CUSA, G5 or P5 even.

But I do remember that CAA-laden ODU squad that people are raving about on here get smashed by 40+ at home against UAB. And I believe they got us good down in Birmingham as well during those tremendous CAA years. I trying hard to remember that happening over the past 5-6 years to I can get my perspective right. Lol.

It was. That team lost on a buzzer beater to the national runner up...

(05-08-2018 11:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Yeah, Mike Anderson was the one guy that had Blaine's number. He ran us off the court when he was at UAB and again when he was at Missouri. We went 0-4 against him in those 2 series. Good thing is we were able to balance those losses with big wins.

Also, the 05-06 UAB team that ran us out of the gym was a top 50 team that went on to be a 9 seed in the NCAA tournament (at-large) so you aren't comparing apples to apples when you try to draw a parallel to the current UAB program that has finished with RPIs of 142, 153, 122, 81, 199, and 155, respectively, since we joined CUSA. That would be like dismissing Blaine's top 10 wins at Georgetown because they suck today. UAB cannot be happy with where their program has gone in recent years either.

I wasn't comparing them to the current UAB squad at all. I was only responding to a post that the old ODU squad would run this year's WKU team off the court. Uhhh, probably not. Might've won though.

(05-08-2018 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Our 2010 team was probably the best we ever had. 2011 was a step below that.

Other than those 2 teams, last years team ranks pretty high up historically. Maybe not the best, but certainly in the conversation. FWIW, former players always think they are better than the current group. Its like our generation thinking the following generation are lazy, empowered, yada yada

Well we certainly agree on the generation thing. Cuz I don't think 2010 could've beaten those teams that went back-to-back NCAA at larges back in the Sun Belt days. We had too much size at EVERY position. That 82-83 team had G Robinson and C Smith, a national All American, in the backcourt; Gattison, who was every bit the tank that Hassell was inside, 6'10" Hanley at the 3 knocking down jump shots? Guys like Mark Davis, a 6'5" freak of an athlete, who later went to the NBA, and didn't even crack the starting lineup until his Jr year, and even more size coming off the bench that could score it like R Wade, H Lambert and F Facka and they got limited minutes on those squads? Way too much size and they could score it. I'm amazed that we're even talking about 2010 being the most talented. But I'll stop and let you all keep going with the GOAT talk.

All I know is Blaine had at least 3 at-large teams as the 09-10 and 10-11 teams wouldn't have even been on the bubble and I think the 04-05 team would have been in as well to make 4. I'm not old enough to remember the Sunbelt days, but none of Capel's teams would have been considered for an at large. So yes, there is some bias and some of it is gut, but I just haven't seen another ODU team raise their level of play to the point of how the 09-10 or 10-11 teams performed in February and March. It was nice being able to go into the Richmond Coliseum and to watch the NCAA tournament with the peace of mind that, win or lose, ODU was bringing their A game. Had the same sense with the 04-05 team, but their ceiling just wasn't quite as high as the other two teams. Right now, every time we play a big game, I expect us to lay an egg and that's what is frustrating.

The bubble for a mid-major team these days is a Top 25 ranking.

(05-08-2018 09:34 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Let's keep any personal references out of the debate.

Thanks

LOL, one guy has done it for over a decade, but no one actually does anything about it so posters are forced to just block.

(05-08-2018 05:45 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  If you're dumb enough to include Navy and Richmond's runs, you must now include Memphis, Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, and the likes for CUSA. This debate ended once you were silly enough to chime in.

Fact is, the CAA was never as good as you misremember it being. It had 1-2 great regular seasons and 3-4 great postseasons in the 30 seasons we were a member. In that same span, CUSA has been better 95% of the seasons.


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Not even remotely close to accurate but I’d expect nothing less from you.

CUSA has been well behind the old caa’s conference rpi for nearly every single year we’ve been in it compared to the entire mid 00’s up until we left. This is not up for debate.