RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(05-07-2018 09:19 AM)T-Mac Wrote: This past season CUSA was better at the top than any season we ever played in the CAA.
I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat" Thread
(05-07-2018 10:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote: Not a chance. MTSU would have competed and WKU had enough to play spoiler (they were too inconsistent to win it), but no way this year's ODU, Marshall, or UAB finished in the top half of those CAAs.
Top half? Oh I disagree. That would suggest that during the best year in CAA history where ODU, Mason and VCU went to the tourney, that this year's ODU, Marshall, or UAB wouldn't been able to finish above frickin Hofstra, Delaware, and Drexel?
Respectfully disagree with your opinion and other than Drexel being in the mix, I don't think it is even close.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat" Thread
Ok, maybe top half was an exaggeration, but it might have been close... looking at RPI
2010-2011 CAA (regular season)
ODU 20
George Mason 24
VCU 49
Drexel 74
Hofstra 86
JMU 88
Delaware 144
_______________________
ODU 78 - good for 5th best
Marshal 87 - good for 6th best, but this number includes their postseason wins. They weren't even top 100 in the regular season.
UAB 155 - good for 8th best
Pretty clear who the cream was of this conference and UNCW is the only remaining team who sniffed and sustained success anytime in the last twenty five years. With VCU and GMU gone, I see no evidence that we wouldn't be the conference's "daddy"!
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(05-07-2018 09:19 AM)T-Mac Wrote: This past season CUSA was better at the top than any season we ever played in the CAA.
I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(05-07-2018 09:19 AM)T-Mac Wrote: This past season CUSA was better at the top than any season we ever played in the CAA.
I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
(This post was last modified: 05-07-2018 12:54 PM by EverRespect.)
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 02:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
But but KenPom...
Blaine's teams rarely ran up the score and he often toyed around with lineups in the middle of the season ending with some narrower than expected wins against teams like Towson and usually a bad loss or two. But, his teams almost always showed up and played well against strong competition outside of the Patriot Center. He was never really a KenPom kind of coach.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 02:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 02:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote: The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
But but KenPom...
Blaine's teams rarely ran up the score and he often toyed around with lineups in the middle of the season ending with some narrower than expected wins against teams like Towson and usually a bad loss or two. But, his teams almost always showed up and played well against strong competition outside of the Patriot Center. He was never really a KenPom kind of coach.
LOL off this logic. Good teams beat teams by a lot of points. You are just making stuff up to try and support this faulty logic.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 02:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
The committee needs to see big OOC wins. It is remarkable how few mid majors get in anymore, but really, nobody that has been snubbed lately can make a case if you put any depth into the scrutiny beyond the computer rankings. We had a chance to get in a few years ago with some nice OOC wins and blew it in conference by losing 5 games in what was possibly the weakest CUSA in its history. If we put that year's OOC with this year's in conference resume and we would have gotten a bid. Is there any precedent of anyone getting an at-large bid with only 4 top 100 wins?
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
But but KenPom...
Blaine's teams rarely ran up the score and he often toyed around with lineups in the middle of the season ending with some narrower than expected wins against teams like Towson and usually a bad loss or two. But, his teams almost always showed up and played well against strong competition outside of the Patriot Center. He was never really a KenPom kind of coach.
LOL off this logic. Good teams beat teams by a lot of points. You are just making stuff up to try and support this faulty logic.
There is nothing faulty about the fact that a good bruising, rock fight style team that runs the entire shot clock is going to win by a smaller margin than a good fast paced sharpshooting team. In Blaine's 12-year tenure, did he have any teams who had a higher rated KenPom than RPI?
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat" Thread
Im glad you figured out the committee because no one else can figure out what they are looking for as it is constantly changing year to year. Road wins were at a time what the committee said they wanted.
Yes, Blaines teams often had a lower KenPom rating than RPI. FYI, KenPom rankings take into account pace of play.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 02:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 03:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(05-07-2018 02:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 11:49 AM)monarx Wrote: The CAA had three teams in the NCAA tournament one year (ODU, VCU & GMU) and another year had two in the NCAA and two in the NIT. Most seasons you would be correct, but the CAA had as good or better teams some years.
But, that assumes mid majors are held to the same standards as they were previously.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
Ken Pom
MTSU 45 (no bid)
WKY 47 (no bid)
ODU 64 (no bid)
RPI
MTSU 33
WKY 45
ODU 77
ODU was a 9 seed in 2011 with the same credentials as MTSU just had. (I realize we won the tourney, but a 9 seed in 2011 equals no bid in 2018).
ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
Yeah, those resumes are not even close.
48/45 KenPom
29/33 RPI
is pretty damn close.
Stop with the KenPom nonsense for the love of God. Just look objectively at the resumes, and they are not even close. Just like the committee said with their seeding.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 10:23 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:16 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:
(05-07-2018 09:19 AM)T-Mac Wrote: This past season CUSA was better at the top than any season we ever played in the CAA.
I don't know about that. ODU finished 2nd in C-USA this year and they certainly weren't as good as some of the teams Blaine had.
Middle Tennessee was a 1 seed in the NIT
Western Kentucky made the NIT semifinals
ODU was one of the final teams out of the NIT
Marshall, the fourth-best team and a team that ODU swept, won a game in the NCAA, the fourth year that a CUSA team won in the tournament — which the CAA *has* never done.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that the top four of CUSA this past season was better than the CAA's top four at any point in its history.
I think I made a much easier case. ODU last season finished 2nd in the awesome C-USA that you just got finished touting and got no post season invite. With a 15-3 conference record that put them just 1 game behind 1st place MTSU who finished 16-2. Blaine had teams that were better than this last ODU team. Sorry guy, but that's the truth no matter how you want to try to spin it.
Anybody can cherry pick things to fit their stance. For example some things you left out since you felt compelled to list things ...
When ODU was in the CAA there were times when multiple teams got into the NCAA Tourney. How many times has that happened since ODU has been in C-USA?
When ODU was in the CAA there were times when a team made it to the NCAA Final Four. How many times has that happened since ODU has been in C-USA?
Bottom line ... NO, this past season C-USA absolutely wasn't better at the top than any season ODU ever played in the CAA. Just off the top of my head, I'd put the 2010-2011 season where ODU won the CAA and went to the NCAA Tournament, and VCU got an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament and went all the way to the Final Four as being a superior year "at the top" for the CAA over last season in C-USA. I believe those two teams would have been among the top 2 or 3 teams in C-USA this past season.
Interestingly enough, that 2010-2011 ODU team also finished 2nd in the regular season in the CAA. I have every reason to believe that ODU team consisting of the following players would have defeated this recent ODU team -
Frank Hassell (Rsr)
Keyon Carter (Rsr)
Chris Cooper (jr)
Ben Finney (sr)
Kent Bazemore (Rjr)
Darius James (sr)
Trian Illiadas (jr)
Richard Ross (fr)
Dimetry Batten (fr)
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 03:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(05-07-2018 03:45 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 03:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(05-07-2018 02:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:
(05-07-2018 12:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote: ODU had wins OOC against Clemson (5 seed), Xavier (6 Seed) and Richmond (12 Seed) as well as Dayton and Cleveland State (NIT). They also had 3 conference wins against VCU and GMU and were a total of 11-5 against the top 100.
MTSU played 3 NCAA teams OOC (Auburn, USC, and Miami) and lost all 3. Further, they were 0-2 in conference against Marshall, the only team to make the NCAAs. They went 4-6 against the top 100.
MTSU had a good team last season, but their resume simply doesn't compare to ODU's in 2011.
Even if you believe ODU had a better resume, the point was still they were a 9 seed and MTSU was not even in, which sounds pretty remarkable when you actually look at the numbers.
ODU was 0-2 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
10-5 vs. top 100
Middle was 0-1 vs top 25
3-3 vs. top 50
4-6 vs. top 100
Last year they were a 13-seed (I think) with a 35 RPI and:
0-1 vs. top 25
2-1 vs. top 50
4-1 vs. top 100
If you don't think the committee has a different set of rules nowadays, I'm not sure what additional data you need to see.
Yeah, those resumes are not even close.
48/45 KenPom
29/33 RPI
is pretty damn close.
Stop with the KenPom nonsense for the love of God. Just look objectively at the resumes, and they are not even close. Just like the committee said with their seeding.
How should we judge their resumes? Based on arbitrary numbers like top 25, 50, 100? Which, are done largely based on voters....
ODU had the 29th ranked RPI and a 23-6 record with a strength of schedule of 76.
MTSU had the 33rd ranked RPI and a 23-7 record with a strength of schedule of 86.
Anyone that wants to try to argue those 2 teams aren't very close is not being objective.
Haven't even got into how MTSU's non conference schedule included 4 total home games out of 12.
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
I'd like to see anyone watch this video and then tell me that anyone in last year's CUSA ever played at a level worthy of being within 20 miles of this gym.
(This post was last modified: 05-07-2018 04:08 PM by EverRespect.)
RE: The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat"...
(05-07-2018 10:51 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:
(05-07-2018 10:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:
(05-07-2018 09:19 AM)T-Mac Wrote: This past season CUSA was better at the top than any season we ever played in the CAA.
Not a chance. MTSU would have competed and WKU had enough to play spoiler (they were too inconsistent to win it), but no way this year's ODU, Marshall, or UAB finished in the top half of those CAAs.
Maybe for the last couple of years in the CAA.
For the majority of it's existence, the CAA sucked.
That is my recollection as well. Other than a four year stretch, the CAA was cannon fodder in the dance - and NIT invites were rare.
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The "I assure you, Jeff Jones isn't being fired or sitting on a hot seat" Thread
