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I'm fine with Graham being out. Relieved actually.

Santa has the strength & accuracy to throw the long passes but since he had the INTs Carey will never let him start again. Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.
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(11-22-2017 07:30 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.

Disagree with that
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Sorry to hear about Graham. He did all he was asked and gave his all for NIU through injury after injury. Plus, he's a great kid. I wish him all the best.


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(11-22-2017 08:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 07:30 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.

Disagree with that

I think the poster’s statement was specific to “passing QB”. You can make a strong argument that Childers is better for this offense, especially in a risk adverse offense. Howeber, in terms of passing, the only stat that Childers is better than Santa is specific to turnovers. Santa has better stats than Childers in basically every other measurable category; overall efficiency rating; completion %; passing yards per game; and the completion % on long passes could not be more different. Childers is basically zero; Santa’s is nearly 80%. Difficult to dispute the #’s
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(11-22-2017 09:09 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 08:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 07:30 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.

Disagree with that

I think the poster’s statement was specific to “passing QB”. You can make a strong argument that Childers is better for this offense, especially in a risk adverse offense. Howeber, in terms of passing, the only stat that Childers is better than Santa is specific to turnovers. Santa has better stats than Childers in basically every other measurable category; overall efficiency rating; completion %; passing yards per game; and the completion % on long passes could not be more different. Childers is basically zero; Santa’s is nearly 80%. Difficult to dispute the #’s

In all those stats you provided there, they are very very close, with the exception of TD:INT, where Childers has a mind numbing 14:3 ratio. Santa also benefited from EIU and having played before teams scouted out NIU's only deep pass route. By MAC play those routes to Tears were not open anymore. That Kent game will always stick in my mind, Santa was literally unable to physically perform, if he stayed in the game, it would have been a toss up game. Like I have mentioned I feel bad for all these QBs, they are in the most unfriendly QB environment one could imagine. I am starting to come to the realization, once you determine a QBs potential, cut it by 40% under a Carey led team. I am not complaining, but it is what it is. I know this off-season there will be a 5 way QB race, no one will emerge, reps will be split, and no one will develop.
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(11-22-2017 09:38 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:09 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 08:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 07:30 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.

Disagree with that

I think the poster’s statement was specific to “passing QB”. You can make a strong argument that Childers is better for this offense, especially in a risk adverse offense. Howeber, in terms of passing, the only stat that Childers is better than Santa is specific to turnovers. Santa has better stats than Childers in basically every other measurable category; overall efficiency rating; completion %; passing yards per game; and the completion % on long passes could not be more different. Childers is basically zero; Santa’s is nearly 80%. Difficult to dispute the #’s

In all those stats you provided there, they are very very close, with the exception of TD:INT, where Childers has a mind numbing 14:3 ratio. Santa also benefited from EIU and having played before teams scouted out NIU's only deep pass route. By MAC play those routes to Tears were not open anymore. That Kent game will always stick in my mind, Santa was literally unable to physically perform, if he stayed in the game, it would have been a toss up game. Like I have mentioned I feel bad for all these QBs, they are in the most unfriendly QB environment one could imagine. I am starting to come to the realization, once you determine a QBs potential, cut it by 40% under a Carey led team. I am not complaining, but it is what it is. I know this off-season there will be a 5 way QB race, no one will emerge, reps will be split, and no one will develop.

Santa had 9 reps in the KSU game; 5 were handoffs. He threw one well thrown pass that the DB made a circus catch; it was a bad decision not a bad pass. This is a bizzare statement. In the 2nd coldest game in recent years he had 1 pass for a 70 yard TD.
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(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:38 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:09 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 08:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 07:30 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Wish he had the chance to develop ...he's a better passing QB than Childers. oh well.

Disagree with that

I think the poster’s statement was specific to “passing QB”. You can make a strong argument that Childers is better for this offense, especially in a risk adverse offense. Howeber, in terms of passing, the only stat that Childers is better than Santa is specific to turnovers. Santa has better stats than Childers in basically every other measurable category; overall efficiency rating; completion %; passing yards per game; and the completion % on long passes could not be more different. Childers is basically zero; Santa’s is nearly 80%. Difficult to dispute the #’s

In all those stats you provided there, they are very very close, with the exception of TD:INT, where Childers has a mind numbing 14:3 ratio. Santa also benefited from EIU and having played before teams scouted out NIU's only deep pass route. By MAC play those routes to Tears were not open anymore. That Kent game will always stick in my mind, Santa was literally unable to physically perform, if he stayed in the game, it would have been a toss up game. Like I have mentioned I feel bad for all these QBs, they are in the most unfriendly QB environment one could imagine. I am starting to come to the realization, once you determine a QBs potential, cut it by 40% under a Carey led team. I am not complaining, but it is what it is. I know this off-season there will be a 5 way QB race, no one will emerge, reps will be split, and no one will develop.

Santa had 9 reps in the KSU game; 5 were handoffs. He threw one well thrown pass that the DB made a circus catch; it was a bad decision not a bad pass. This is a bizzare statement. In the 2nd coldest game in recent years he had 1 pass for a 70 yard TD.

I don't know if it was the combo wind and cold, but he could not maintain a grip on the football. I don't think he was pulled because of performance so much , but rather you could see he was not going to be able to handle the elements. I just believe his hands are pretty small, and the combination of wind and wet football made him completely ineffective.
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(11-22-2017 10:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:38 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 09:09 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 08:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Disagree with that

I think the poster’s statement was specific to “passing QB”. You can make a strong argument that Childers is better for this offense, especially in a risk adverse offense. Howeber, in terms of passing, the only stat that Childers is better than Santa is specific to turnovers. Santa has better stats than Childers in basically every other measurable category; overall efficiency rating; completion %; passing yards per game; and the completion % on long passes could not be more different. Childers is basically zero; Santa’s is nearly 80%. Difficult to dispute the #’s

In all those stats you provided there, they are very very close, with the exception of TD:INT, where Childers has a mind numbing 14:3 ratio. Santa also benefited from EIU and having played before teams scouted out NIU's only deep pass route. By MAC play those routes to Tears were not open anymore. That Kent game will always stick in my mind, Santa was literally unable to physically perform, if he stayed in the game, it would have been a toss up game. Like I have mentioned I feel bad for all these QBs, they are in the most unfriendly QB environment one could imagine. I am starting to come to the realization, once you determine a QBs potential, cut it by 40% under a Carey led team. I am not complaining, but it is what it is. I know this off-season there will be a 5 way QB race, no one will emerge, reps will be split, and no one will develop.

Santa had 9 reps in the KSU game; 5 were handoffs. He threw one well thrown pass that the DB made a circus catch; it was a bad decision not a bad pass. This is a bizzare statement. In the 2nd coldest game in recent years he had 1 pass for a 70 yard TD.

I don't know if it was the combo wind and cold, but he could not maintain a grip on the football. I don't think he was pulled because of performance so much , but rather you could see he was not going to be able to handle the elements. I just believe his hands are pretty small, and the combination of wind and wet football made him completely ineffective.

You and I both know how fortunate Childers is to have such few interceptions. Again his most effective deep pass thus far has been the ones so badly underthrown that they result in a pass interference call; the result of the receiver having to literally come back for the ball. This discussion is senseless; the guy you are most often critical of (Carey) is completely aligned with you. Childers is the QB for the remainder of this year and the next 3 seasons.
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If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.
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(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Judging from Graham's resilience over the last several years I don't think anyone would be shocked if he gives it another go. I was worried about his health before this season started...can't imagine him giving it another go but apparently he's a very tough dude.

It did sound like Thompson made some improvements in camp but he hasn't seen the field at all this year. Considering they've basically benched Santa for life and Graham is hurt, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a single snap. At worst he could get the Lynch package that they ran when he was backing up CH.

It'll be a competition between Childers, Thompson and Hall next year. It's possible, probably more wishful thinking, that we'll have a new OC in town so that could open things up entirely. I wouldn't entirely rule out a transfer either. If there's a decent P5 grad transfer or top end JUCO guy, he could look at our QB situation and see a great opportunity.
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(11-23-2017 10:30 AM)armour248 Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Judging from Graham's resilience over the last several years I don't think anyone would be shocked if he gives it another go. I was worried about his health before this season started...can't imagine him giving it another go but apparently he's a very tough dude.

It did sound like Thompson made some improvements in camp but he hasn't seen the field at all this year. Considering they've basically benched Santa for life and Graham is hurt, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a single snap. At worst he could get the Lynch package that they ran when he was backing up CH.

It'll be a competition between Childers, Thompson and Hall next year. It's possible, probably more wishful thinking, that we'll have a new OC in town so that could open things up entirely. I wouldn't entirely rule out a transfer either. If there's a decent P5 grad transfer or top end JUCO guy, he could look at our QB situation and see a great opportunity.

Not Carey's M.O to change staff. They just leave and then he finds someone he's known. I doubt Umerovich gets hired away elsewhere. Carey seems to not like change
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(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Agreed. I see next year it is Childers followed by Hall and Thompson, not necessarily in that order. I don't see Santa in the mix in Carey's head. It now appears that after the 2 SDSU picks Santa was on a short leash. After we got a TD with Childers at QB, we went back to Santa. After the pick, I can just hear Carey thinking I have seen enough. I am not sure Santa can overcome that and Santa is just not a legitimate dual-threat QB that Carey obviously wants.
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(11-23-2017 11:00 AM)NILAW Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Agreed. I see next year it is Childers followed by Hall and Thompson, not necessarily in that order. I don't see Santa in the mix in Carey's head. It now appears that after the 2 SDSU picks Santa was on a short leash. After we got a TD with Childers at QB, we went back to Santa. After the pick, I can just hear Carey thinking I have seen enough. I am not sure Santa can overcome that and Santa is just not a legitimate dual-threat QB that Carey obviously wants.

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Sadly, Harnish never would have been given a chance to grow and develop under Carey. Carey's biggest weakness as a head coach is that he is a safe player.
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(11-23-2017 04:49 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 11:00 AM)NILAW Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Agreed. I see next year it is Childers followed by Hall and Thompson, not necessarily in that order. I don't see Santa in the mix in Carey's head. It now appears that after the 2 SDSU picks Santa was on a short leash. After we got a TD with Childers at QB, we went back to Santa. After the pick, I can just hear Carey thinking I have seen enough. I am not sure Santa can overcome that and Santa is just not a legitimate dual-threat QB that Carey obviously wants.

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Sadly, Harnish never would have been given a chance to grow and develop under Carey. Carey's biggest weakness as a head coach is that he is a safe player.

This is an excellent point.
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(11-23-2017 05:12 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 04:49 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 11:00 AM)NILAW Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Agreed. I see next year it is Childers followed by Hall and Thompson, not necessarily in that order. I don't see Santa in the mix in Carey's head. It now appears that after the 2 SDSU picks Santa was on a short leash. After we got a TD with Childers at QB, we went back to Santa. After the pick, I can just hear Carey thinking I have seen enough. I am not sure Santa can overcome that and Santa is just not a legitimate dual-threat QB that Carey obviously wants.

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Sadly, Harnish never would have been given a chance to grow and develop under Carey. Carey's biggest weakness as a head coach is that he is a safe player.

This is an excellent point.

I really believe if change was not made, Huskies would have lost to Kent.
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(11-23-2017 08:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 05:12 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 04:49 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 11:00 AM)NILAW Wrote:  
(11-23-2017 10:21 AM)Djud Wrote:  If Graham’s career is over (I certainly hope it is not) the spotlight shiifts to Hall and Thompson. One thing we know for sure, unless your name is Jordan Lynch, running our offensive scheme, the likelihood of a QB getting through the season without injury is very slim. Regardless of Santa’s status for next season, he does not appear to be in the mix for playing time. Thompson was reported to be making great progress in fall camp, so he is an option. The thought of Hall not continuing as a QB would be shocking; we absolutely need a viable backup (or two) for Childers that can play in this system. Graham not playing means the only “system” QB we have with game experience is Childers.

Agreed. I see next year it is Childers followed by Hall and Thompson, not necessarily in that order. I don't see Santa in the mix in Carey's head. It now appears that after the 2 SDSU picks Santa was on a short leash. After we got a TD with Childers at QB, we went back to Santa. After the pick, I can just hear Carey thinking I have seen enough. I am not sure Santa can overcome that and Santa is just not a legitimate dual-threat QB that Carey obviously wants.

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Sadly, Harnish never would have been given a chance to grow and develop under Carey. Carey's biggest weakness as a head coach is that he is a safe player.

This is an excellent point.

I really believe if change was not made, Huskies would have lost to Kent.
Kent scored 3 points lol
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A QB who completes a whopping 57% of his passes and leads the team in carries but only averages 3.7 yards per carry is our savior. Also, I can’t stress enough how awful that other guy is even though his passer efficiency rating his higher and his completion percentage is better too. If I keep saying the same things over and over they must be true, no doubt about it.

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(11-23-2017 09:26 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  A QB who completes a whopping 57% of his passes and leads the team in carries but only averages 3.7 yards per carry is our savior. Also, I can’t stress enough how awful that other guy is even though his passer efficiency rating his higher and his completion percentage is better too. If I keep saying the same things over and over they must be true, no doubt about it.

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LOL, I took grief for thinking I knew more than a football coach before the year started, and now I am taking grief because I agree with Carey lmao. Oh how I love this board, consistent haha
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You’re like the Fox News of the board. When Childers plays bad you bring up how awful you think Santa is. If you would fairly criticize all three of the QBs I might respect your opinion of them. Instead you say Graham and Santa are bad, but insist Childers issues are all the coaching staffs fault. You gave Childers an A+ rating against WMU. If that’s not having your head in the sand then I don’t know what is.
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(11-22-2017 08:21 AM)randy6969 Wrote:  
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(11-21-2017 11:10 PM)7 Wrote:  
(11-21-2017 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The good news is that Childers has 3 more years to improve. The bad news is that it seems like he was picked because he is just good enough to win enough games in the MAC for Carey to keep his job for now.
They're 8-3 this year and beat Nebraska in the third game of the year. At no point this season was Carey's job ever remotely in danger.

For the 100th time, he's the QB right now because Graham got hurt and Childers makes less mistakes.

This silliness where some of you think Carey was (is?) coaching for his job is completely delusional. He's 44-22 and 32-7 in the league. He's not even close to the hot seat.

And they could use 177-2 in the bowl game and that won't change that.

To speculate, I'm sure last years team performance put some doubt into Carey's mind about job security. Not immediate hot seat, but that he can't have another 5-7 team again or he'd have serious concerns. So it wouldn't surprise me that he'd go with a QB who won't give away winnable games. They blew the BC and SDSU games and started off throwing picks against their first conference opponent. It's a rational business decision to go with the low floor guy who can keep you with a winning record and your job secure for the near future. Just observing Carey's conservative nature, it would fit him to not go throw "growing pains" with a QB like santa. No one knows what goes on in Carey's mind(carnival music), but we do know his tendencies a little bit.

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It is my understanding from the guys I talk to that Ryan has thrown his last pass at NIU or anyplace else he just can not throw the ball. Its sad but true he is not able to throw and does not look like it has gotten any better in weeks. He is done.
Now for next year and beyond we need to find a grad transfer or jucco kid who can come here and lead this team next year with a good QB we could win a couple 2 or 3 of those OOC games and run the mac and be in a great position for a big bowl ! this team has so much talent back next year at every level it is crazy !! Name one spot that we lose a kid who is a huge impact that we cant replace I say none at all !!!

We will be so much better next year it is exciting just need a QB to lead it. We don't have that guy on the roster as you all know!! And sorry guys its not MR Hall He in my opinion will turn out to play but at another position not QB or he will leave .

Just my thoughts

05-bump

Is Graham even healthy?

randy....giving this a bump as in my mind Graham was "done" due to injury per the above.

Any insight here....?
03-26-2018 10:48 AM
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