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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-02-2017 07:48 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 09:25 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  Unless you realize most Sun Belt classes are not that far from the top FCS classes....Jacksonville State is ranked 127 and Idaho is ranked 126 in total team talent. So so much for FCS teams being overlooked today. I am sure if the rankings were where they are today five to seven years ago GS teams would have been ranked better. FCS just cant give 85 full schollies but the starting 22+/- could actually have been just as good as low ranked FBS teams which where most Sun Belt teams are. A lot of top FCS recruits have FBS offers some three stars frequently choose FCS schools.

Here's NDSU's national recruiting rankings on 247...
2014: 142
2015: 131
2016: 135
2017: 135

So basically, it's saying NDSU's classes are better than pretty much any FBS team. That's laughable. I know the NDSU fans are annoying but no one objective can really watch them play and take note they are something like 7-2 against FBS teams the last 10 years it's laughable to say they have worse recruiting than any FBS team.

And I know you can just say "well, they obviously don't care enough to do a thorough job on evaluating FCS classes". Ok, fine, but why should I just believe they're going to get it right with G5 teams? It seems to me that the farther you get from the highest rungs of college football the more of a crapshoot that they get.

(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Who is this "we"? We finished ahead of the MAC in the conference ratings last year with the MAC having an Access Bowl team. The Sun Belt has a winning bowl record against the MAC since entering the current alignment of teams.

GS beat the slop out of arguably the two top teams in the MAC in 2015 and very well could've beat WMU last year if we didn't have an offensive coaching staff that turned a unit that lead the country in rushing yards two straight years into a bad offensive unit.

Some people on this thread apparently only see in black and white. Recruiting is one thing...among many MANY other variables, there's this thing called player development, which obviously encompasses more than just S&C. An excellent player development can make many of those under the radar recruits into all stars. But what about the players natural ceiling you ask? Yeah it's out there, but a lot of guys never reach it. You ask any player after graduation if he could have gotten better if he had another year, and the answer 9 out of 10 times would be 'yes'.

Depending on how badly a player wants it, plus the merit of the development program he is in, and FCS player can out grow someone who was highly recruited out of high school. So yeah...NDSU may have classes in the 130s, but they obviously know what they are looking for and how to mold it and train it into what they want it to be.
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.
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(07-04-2017 04:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.

How about all the other teams ranked around App in total team talent...that is the point. How hard is it to get one team out of 130 is not a sample size? Who gives a rip what a one or few teams or players do. I am guessing most on here thing a bell curve is something you get from Taco Bell and standard deviation is a disease. Most G5 conferences except the AAC have similar talent top top to bottom with a few outliers thrown in. A really good coach plays a part so does a really bad one.

The only team out of that group that App beat that had more total team talent on paper of any significance was Akron.
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-04-2017 04:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.

Against whom? The point is that the Sunbelt has yet to produce a Westen Michigan, Nothern Illinois, Boisie or Houston
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(07-05-2017 03:52 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.

Against whom? The point is that the Sunbelt has yet to produce a Westen Michigan, Nothern Illinois, Boisie or Houston

Until this year.... Will it be stAte? Will it be Southern? Will it be Idaho? Will it be App?
Only time will tell.
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-05-2017 03:52 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.

Against whom? The point is that the Sunbelt has yet to produce a Westen Michigan, Nothern Illinois, Boisie or Houston

Give us a few years. App has only been oficially FBS for two years.
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(07-05-2017 06:14 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-05-2017 03:52 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  
(07-04-2017 04:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:54 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Y'all can say recruiting classes don't matter but the classes of Western Michigan, Memphis and Boisie says otherwise. Folks can crow about being the kings of the SBC all day but until we start putting talent on par with the American, MAC and Moutain West we are kidding ourselves

Theory isn't holding water. App is 3-0 vs the MAC, 2-0 vs CUSA & 1-0 vs Mtn West the past two years.

Against whom? The point is that the Sunbelt has yet to produce a Westen Michigan, Nothern Illinois, Boisie or Houston

Give us a few years. App has only been oficially FBS for two years.

Really so have we, get through a few coaching changes like ArkSt successfully and I will be more convinced. They can be rough.
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
After a season like last year I'm going to imagine our recruiting wont pick up till mid-season. With the adjustments in offensive scheme and rebounding from a 5-7 season I can only imagine most recruits (at least on offense) are going want to "wait and see."
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App. St. Pulls into first (on 247) with 14 commits 1.1 points and 1 commit ahead of TXST.
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(07-11-2017 10:48 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  After a season like last year I'm going to imagine our recruiting wont pick up till mid-season. With the adjustments in offensive scheme and rebounding from a 5-7 season I can only imagine most recruits (at least on offense) are going want to "wait and see."

If we can recruit like we've been after the season we had then there's no excuses for any other school to be slacking.
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I am going to be interested to see how the early signing period affects everything. Going to put a lot of kids and coaches on the spot. You said you wanted me where is my offer or you said you are committed here is your offer now sign.
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(07-11-2017 09:38 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:48 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  After a season like last year I'm going to imagine our recruiting wont pick up till mid-season. With the adjustments in offensive scheme and rebounding from a 5-7 season I can only imagine most recruits (at least on offense) are going want to "wait and see."

If we can recruit like we've been after the season we had then there's no excuses for any other school to be slacking.

Difference is you have new staff and new energy after being relatively bad (no offense I think you'd agree) for the last few years. We went from being great, to being crappy real fast and I'm sure that raises red flags.
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(07-11-2017 08:23 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  App. St. Pulls into first (on 247) with 14 commits 1.1 points and 1 commit ahead of TXST.

If App can hang on to the top guys in this class I'd be pleasantly surprised. The top three seem like guys who, with a senior season that shows some improvement, be P5 bound. Though App being as successful as they have been on defense and the offense being extremely friendly to the RB and OL positions, as well as a head coach who played QB could be a motivating factor for these guys.
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(07-11-2017 09:38 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:48 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  After a season like last year I'm going to imagine our recruiting wont pick up till mid-season. With the adjustments in offensive scheme and rebounding from a 5-7 season I can only imagine most recruits (at least on offense) are going want to "wait and see."

If we can recruit like we've been after the season we had then there's no excuses for any other school to be slacking.

You want to compare Texas State to ULM in terms of facilities, location, fan support, and other local events?
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(07-12-2017 07:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:38 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:48 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  After a season like last year I'm going to imagine our recruiting wont pick up till mid-season. With the adjustments in offensive scheme and rebounding from a 5-7 season I can only imagine most recruits (at least on offense) are going want to "wait and see."

If we can recruit like we've been after the season we had then there's no excuses for any other school to be slacking.

You want to compare Texas State to ULM in terms of facilities, location, fan support, and other local events?

He was lamenting that their poor season, one which we'd gladly have traded them for, was the reason for their recruiting so far so that's the only comparison I made, and literally every school in conference had a better record than us. So record isn't an obstacle.

He didn't say anything about facilities, rivers, hot girls, and what not. Does anyone in conference really compete with us in that regard? That's another argument. If I was to compare us to ULM in all of those categories then that one fan might get upset again lol.
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IMO Texas State is the overall best school to Attend. Location , available talent, hot diverse girls, parties,river, ATX, SA, Sqaure, good facilities. I never understood why Tex State could never stay a consistent winner. I almost went there but at time they were FCS and it was basically 13th grade for a Cypress kid. Will be interesting to see if they can turn it around with this coach.
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(07-12-2017 10:26 PM)Golota Wrote:  IMO Texas State is the overall best school to Attend. Location , available talent, hot diverse girls, parties,river, ATX, SA, Sqaure, good facilities. I never understood why Tex State could never stay a consistent winner. I almost went there but at time they were FCS and it was basically 13th grade for a Cypress kid. Will be interesting to see if they can turn it around with this coach.

We've been repeatedly hamstrung by our AD. If we could sack him, I think you'd see more progress, faster.
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I think our staff has taken the position with all commits they sign in December. If they don't their spot opens back up. If you're not sure, don't commit.
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(07-12-2017 11:22 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 10:26 PM)Golota Wrote:  IMO Texas State is the overall best school to Attend. Location , available talent, hot diverse girls, parties,river, ATX, SA, Sqaure, good facilities. I never understood why Tex State could never stay a consistent winner. I almost went there but at time they were FCS and it was basically 13th grade for a Cypress kid. Will be interesting to see if they can turn it around with this coach.

We've been repeatedly hamstrung by our AD. If we could sack him, I think you'd see more progress, faster.

When is the AD going to get canned?
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