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(07-24-2017 09:46 AM)Golota Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 06:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 09:49 PM)Golota Wrote:  ULM beat our Texas Tech and Oregon State for Jaquiri Savage went on officials visit to Oregon State and cancelled visit to Texas Tech. Our RB decommitted from Minnesota. We beat out a couple late 2016 too. Illinois offered two DL week before signing day.

Not trying to throw water on your fire, but going on an official vist doesn't nerecessarily mean they are a take. He could be the 3rd or 4th option in case they lose someone. All schools play the same game.

He had an offer he was JUCO mid year signing day was around the corner. My friend coached him in HS and my friend son played with him was his host.He 100% had committable offer. I know a lot more on this situation than you do. Just ask and I will tell you vs speculating.

100% Illinois offered our guys week before signing day trying to flip.
No water on fire just facts.
There are always exceptions, but that's not the norm. Glad you guys got him. Illinois is notorious for making runs at G5 guys right before signing day. Those guys, Indiana and Purdue are the only Big Ten guys we (App) ever go against.

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(07-24-2017 10:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 09:46 AM)Golota Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 06:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 09:49 PM)Golota Wrote:  ULM beat our Texas Tech and Oregon State for Jaquiri Savage went on officials visit to Oregon State and cancelled visit to Texas Tech. Our RB decommitted from Minnesota. We beat out a couple late 2016 too. Illinois offered two DL week before signing day.

Not trying to throw water on your fire, but going on an official vist doesn't nerecessarily mean they are a take. He could be the 3rd or 4th option in case they lose someone. All schools play the same game.

He had an offer he was JUCO mid year signing day was around the corner. My friend coached him in HS and my friend son played with him was his host.He 100% had committable offer. I know a lot more on this situation than you do. Just ask and I will tell you vs speculating.

100% Illinois offered our guys week before signing day trying to flip.
No water on fire just facts.
There are always exceptions, but that's not the norm. Glad you guys got him. Illinois is notorious for making runs at G5 guys right before signing day. Those guys, Indiana and Purdue are the only Big Ten guys we (App) ever go against.

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Yep Indiana Illinois and Purdue every time. Seems Oregon State and Washington State creeping on this with Texas G5s now.
Illinois came after our 3 year JUCO Tyler Johnson and DE Kerry Starks last week in 16 class. Colorado State kinda doing that with some of our guys.
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(07-23-2017 04:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 02:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 06:38 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 10:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Apps pick up a OL, OLB & DE to run the total to 17. Turning into a great Peach Season in Boone with 7 commits so far from Georgia.

This is why our whomever our coach is should be near the 70's in recruiting not in the 90's+, AL and Clemson would have zero NC's if not for GA talent. Half of the teams in the south would not even be able to field a team....Honestly all the talent in the world within a four hour drive from campus and our coach landed a bottom quarter class last year...wtf.
When Willie Quits was there we battled for a couple of receivers, but for the most part the differences in our offenses rarely has us going for the same guys. We lock horns for more defensive players, but since we changed to Woody's hybrid 3-4 it seems to be happening less often.

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He out recruited P5's in his second season with a class in the 70's. That is top of the G5 one year later we back to 90's+ where most of us live. 70's is high but should be a lot closer to 70 than 90 with the talent in this state and yes for most teams not named App the last few years it shows up on the field despite coaching most often.

The reality is most of the prospects signed in the Sunbelt showing P5 offers are not committable offers. Those P5 guys toss out offers in the spring like candy at Halloween. I'm far more interested in who we actually beat for a player and not who tossed out a quasi offer a year ago.

G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.
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App picks up a juco DB that signed with GATech out of HS, a OL and ILB today. That runs the total to 20. Only 1 from Georgia....
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 04:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 02:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 06:38 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  This is why our whomever our coach is should be near the 70's in recruiting not in the 90's+, AL and Clemson would have zero NC's if not for GA talent. Half of the teams in the south would not even be able to field a team....Honestly all the talent in the world within a four hour drive from campus and our coach landed a bottom quarter class last year...wtf.
When Willie Quits was there we battled for a couple of receivers, but for the most part the differences in our offenses rarely has us going for the same guys. We lock horns for more defensive players, but since we changed to Woody's hybrid 3-4 it seems to be happening less often.

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He out recruited P5's in his second season with a class in the 70's. That is top of the G5 one year later we back to 90's+ where most of us live. 70's is high but should be a lot closer to 70 than 90 with the talent in this state and yes for most teams not named App the last few years it shows up on the field despite coaching most often.

The reality is most of the prospects signed in the Sunbelt showing P5 offers are not committable offers. Those P5 guys toss out offers in the spring like candy at Halloween. I'm far more interested in who we actually beat for a player and not who tossed out a quasi offer a year ago.

G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade
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RE: Way Too Early Recruiting Rankings
(07-30-2017 09:33 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 04:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 02:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:16 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  When Willie Quits was there we battled for a couple of receivers, but for the most part the differences in our offenses rarely has us going for the same guys. We lock horns for more defensive players, but since we changed to Woody's hybrid 3-4 it seems to be happening less often.

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He out recruited P5's in his second season with a class in the 70's. That is top of the G5 one year later we back to 90's+ where most of us live. 70's is high but should be a lot closer to 70 than 90 with the talent in this state and yes for most teams not named App the last few years it shows up on the field despite coaching most often.

The reality is most of the prospects signed in the Sunbelt showing P5 offers are not committable offers. Those P5 guys toss out offers in the spring like candy at Halloween. I'm far more interested in who we actually beat for a player and not who tossed out a quasi offer a year ago.

G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade

And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.
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(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:33 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 04:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 02:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  He out recruited P5's in his second season with a class in the 70's. That is top of the G5 one year later we back to 90's+ where most of us live. 70's is high but should be a lot closer to 70 than 90 with the talent in this state and yes for most teams not named App the last few years it shows up on the field despite coaching most often.

The reality is most of the prospects signed in the Sunbelt showing P5 offers are not committable offers. Those P5 guys toss out offers in the spring like candy at Halloween. I'm far more interested in who we actually beat for a player and not who tossed out a quasi offer a year ago.

G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade

And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...
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(07-30-2017 12:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:33 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 04:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The reality is most of the prospects signed in the Sunbelt showing P5 offers are not committable offers. Those P5 guys toss out offers in the spring like candy at Halloween. I'm far more interested in who we actually beat for a player and not who tossed out a quasi offer a year ago.

G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade

And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...

I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.
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(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

I don't know how this guy is not a 3-star.

Maybe they were unaware that both Rutgers and Kansas State have offers out.
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(07-31-2017 01:54 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Some nice early gets by Coastal:

http://coastalcarolina.247sports.com/Sea...ll/Commits

Unfortunately 247 still doesn't have all our commits updated either. We just landed Jaivon Heiligh who should be a 3* at least w/ multiple offers from FBS programs, including Iowa.
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(07-31-2017 02:07 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

I don't know how this guy is not a 3-star.

Maybe they were unaware that both Rutgers and Kansas State have offers out.

Has Kansas State officially offered the kid? And also, awareness of high profile offers should not affect an athlete's rating. They should be judged on their film alone.
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(07-31-2017 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 12:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:33 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  G5's throw out the same amount of offers but that has nothing to do with the rankings.

These are the reported offers from App

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Se...all/Offers

We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade

And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...

I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.

Same guy ran both. I just dont get it...

We supposedly have 10 commits in the last ten days...mostly defensive
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(07-31-2017 05:52 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 12:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 09:33 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Hang tight J...most of our guys don't have a grade

And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...

I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.

Same guy ran both. I just dont get it...

We supposedly have 10 commits in the last ten days...mostly defensive

Not exactly....
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(07-31-2017 07:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 05:52 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 12:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 10:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  And our 247 staff is out of pocket due to some contractual stuff apparently, so they're not updating anything right now.

03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...

I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.

Same guy ran both. I just dont get it...

We supposedly have 10 commits in the last ten days...mostly defensive

Not exactly....

Just PM me I am obviously missing something....I get not wanting to drop names.
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(08-01-2017 09:20 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 07:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 05:52 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 12:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  03-banghead I have no idea what 247 is thinking it is almost like they dont want teams on there...

I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.

Same guy ran both. I just dont get it...

We supposedly have 10 commits in the last ten days...mostly defensive

Not exactly....

Just PM me I am obviously missing something....I get not wanting to drop names.

Sent you one yesterday.
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(08-01-2017 01:47 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 09:20 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 07:25 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 05:52 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I believe the issue is that 247 acquired Scout and they are merging the two networks. Both networks had an independently run GS site, so there's going to be some things that need to be sorted out.

Same guy ran both. I just dont get it...

We supposedly have 10 commits in the last ten days...mostly defensive

Not exactly....

Just PM me I am obviously missing something....I get not wanting to drop names.

Sent you one yesterday.

Man had a few PM's I need to check that more.
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How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.
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(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.
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(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

They are in the SEC....playing a bunch of other teams in the top 25 in recruiting...There is little difference in talent within 5-10 spots in the rankings. So the 90th ranked teams is going to look pretty similar to the 100th ranked team (typical Sun Belt range) but likely get their asses kicked teams ranked in the top 50 the vast majority of the time. Of course coaching (SEE APP), coaching stability (SEE GS) and development are very important as well and upset is in the dictionary for a reason so please save the mindless handful of upsets while ignoring the other hundreds of games that go to script with significant differences in team talent.

Also you know who had the highest team talent in the conference last year and is always in the top three? ArkSt and they seem to have the most conf championships lately and nobody in the bottom three has come close. The only outlier of note is App who shared a title and there coach is making short lists for some really good jobs. It is likely you are not familiar with team talent rankings based on your comments as I have blown up most of them in previous threads. Recruiting matters but keeping the kids on the roster matters as much or more. UGA for example lost a ton of studs that will actually play against them now like at AU and UT.

Rankings are not based on athletic ability and is way more on football ability and what they have accomplished on the field. Of course size and measurables matter but there are plenty of big and or athletic guys with two star rankings. You really have no clue if you think it based mostly on athletic ability.
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