(09-13-2013 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:23 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Damn, that b*tch stood in line for 6 hours and won't get a motherf*cking job to feed her SIX kids? I didn't see one single family in there that can't get out and get a job to make extra money.

Some people have jobs that are far easier that standing in line for 6 hours. Has it even occured to you that it's actually hard to get a job when you have no skills and 6 children?

The question should be...Why did the system allow her to have 6 kids she can not support in the first place? There is nothing we can do about her situation at this point but continue to support her sorry ass. It damn sure should be used as an example of what needs to change in the future.

Remember the tweets about Romney during the last election? People saying they were gonna be the one to assassinate him or hope he dies because he wants to take away their food stamps? They're raised on that government dick they suck and know no other way.

(09-13-2013 09:06 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  You are saying that blacks are in prisons because they live in large cities?

No, someone else said that there are more blacks in prison because they live in the city where there is more population... I was just using that statement for my reference. I forget what thread it was...

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

How do you eliminate fraud? If you are able bodied...you only get short term assistance. Period. The fact that the system allows a person to basically live their entire lives on assistance is the problem and THIS is the fraud.

I have zero problem helping those that are not physically or mentally capable of taking care of themselves and providing help to someone that has fallen upon hard times for a reasonable period. I have huge problem with allowing generations of people to be enslaved by the Welfare state.

This woman above is one of those slaves. She is able bodied enough to stand for 6 hours. That should tell us all we need to know. The sad thing is she has 6 kids that are learning her behavior. It sickens me.

(09-12-2013 03:26 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:22 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:07 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:05 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I didn't watch it but maybe she had a husband and a job(both of them actually) and COULD afford the kids at that time? It happens. I am not saying it happened in this case, I don't know but before making stupid comments(generally based on her race it seems), it might be helpful to know her full situation.

You were actually being decent until you jabbed at me and said "generally based on her race it seems."

My whole issue, regardless of your race, is having so many kids. I have 4 boys, all from the same woman, and we were married from the first born to the last, I was in the oilfield making great money so all the babies were insured, it was all taken care of and they were all affordable. You're right, this woman might have had it made during all those kids and hit a stroke of poor luck and if thats the case then I have no problem helping out. But you and I both know that it's not the case in most circumstances.

How do you _know_ it's not the case? Do you have hard evidence that proves that most people on foodstamps are on it because they milk the system? I mean actual scientific data. Not some opinion piece. Walmart has tons of employees. Walmart does not pay these employees a living wage, and thus many walmart employees are forced to use foodstamps to live. Are they milking the system?

Way to miss the point. The company I work for has a CSR dept, many of those CSR's are on food stamps. They're single, or always partying, or have different boyfriends every month, and they ARE milking the system. They have KIDS and sell their food stamps for cash so they can buy other sh*t. Do you want to know the statistic of which race is on them? They aren't afraid to brag about "playing the system." There is one nasty little white girl and her mom on them, there are 3 hispanics, and about 14 blacks... So yeah, they brag about how they play the system "since they pay taxes too" and it's really frustrating because the honest ones (black and white, don't know about the other hispanics) go hungry because they DON'T have food because they are responsible and pay for their cars and rent houses, etc. I admire those guys. They make due with what they've got.

How did I miss the point? You said most people aren't on food stamps because of bad luck or reasons out of their control. I asked for clarification and data to prove your point. I didn't ask about your personal experience of the people who take advantage of the system in your company. I asked about nationwide. Because with unemployment near 10%, it's hard for someone to just "go out and find a job", much less one that pays enough to live on.

There are jobs. Just not ones that pay more than getting a welfare check. We should incentivize people to take these jobs and not penalize them by reducing their incomes. We should continue to subsidize the difference. We should also help them with child care if that is what it takes to keep them working. Let's keep in mind that ANY job makes one a tax payer at that point. It also gives them self respect and work ethics. Getting them off the couch and into productive work at any salary should be our goal if we actually want to help people and end the cycle of poverty and government dependence. We have to start somewhere.

(09-13-2013 09:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

How do you eliminate fraud? If you are able bodied...you only get short term assistance. Period. The fact that the system allows a person to basically live their entire lives on assistance is the problem and THIS is the fraud.

I have zero problem helping those that are not physically or mentally capable of taking care of themselves and providing help to someone that has fallen upon hard times for a reasonable period. I have huge problem with allowing generations of people to be enslaved by the Welfare state.

This woman above is one of those slaves. She is able bodied enough to stand for 6 hours. That should tell us all we need to know. The sad thing is she has 6 kids that are learning her behavior. It sickens me.

Well, there is probably a reason for the, ya know like no damn jobs in certain neighborhoods or hiring certain people.

(09-13-2013 09:51 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

How do you eliminate fraud? If you are able bodied...you only get short term assistance. Period. The fact that the system allows a person to basically live their entire lives on assistance is the problem and THIS is the fraud.

I have zero problem helping those that are not physically or mentally capable of taking care of themselves and providing help to someone that has fallen upon hard times for a reasonable period. I have huge problem with allowing generations of people to be enslaved by the Welfare state.

This woman above is one of those slaves. She is able bodied enough to stand for 6 hours. That should tell us all we need to know. The sad thing is she has 6 kids that are learning her behavior. It sickens me.

Well, there is probably a reason for the, ya know like no damn jobs in certain neighborhoods or hiring certain people.

Her problem has been going on for a minimum of 6 years. She has six welfare rats to prove it. She can't figure this out in that time frame?

There are jobs. My post above covers my view on this. This woman has made her job making babies and having us support them. It is simple as that.

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

The middle class bureaucrats that administer these programs are incentivized to grow the programs...not reduce them. It is all about job preservation. How about we start rewarding these bureaucrats to reduce their budgets? I bet you anything you would see the fraud reduce if they got rewarded for stopping it. As it stands now they get rewarded for allowing it.

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud?

Pretty simple really. All they have to do is take away the incentive to be on food stamps. Put a hard line time frame on how long one can get the benefit. Eliminate the exemption that states folks don't have to look for work to get food stamps. There are many ways to help eliminate the fraud. Toughest part will be elimnating the entitlement mindset.

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  With 46.6 million of the nation on food stamps, Hispanics seemingly having all the McDonald and WalMart jobs, got to think there is something major wrong with the economy. Even though we get Lib propaganda every month how much better we are doing. As much a loud mouth as that woman in the video is, maybe with six kids she cannot find a job that she can work and feed her family. Not defending, just saying it may be true. If I had 6 kids and no food I would be upset. Heck, if I had six kids I would be upset.

for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

You do know that people that have jobs can still be eligible for SNAP benefits, right? Are you saying that if you have a job, you get no benefits?

(09-13-2013 08:59 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:31 AM)blah Wrote:  Oh the Huge Manatee!!!!!!

I'm going to spend 6 hours standing in line, but will I go look for a job? Yeah right! You owe me!!! Give me my food stamps!!!! What do you want my kids to go hungry? You need to provide for me and my kids!!!

How does this logic make sense to anyone with a brain?

It makes perfect sense Blah. She is an example of what the Welfare state has created. She knows no other way. She is simply a slave of the state. I blame the State more than I blame her. These people should not ever have been allowed to be at this point. No way in HELL should she ever been allowed to have 6 children that she can not support. This is destroying America.

Thank Lyndon Johnson.

(09-13-2013 10:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

The middle class bureaucrats that administer these programs are incentivized to grow the programs...not reduce them. It is all about job preservation. How about we start rewarding these bureaucrats to reduce their budgets? I bet you anything you would see the fraud reduce if they got rewarded for stopping it. As it stands now they get rewarded for allowing it.

I know, it's ridiculous

(09-13-2013 10:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 05:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  for every 1 of "those" folks there are 10 who quietly use the food stamps like they are supposed to...most are working poor, or those looking for work.

but yes, a small amount abuse the system. (I'd guess ~10%)

You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

You do know that people that have jobs can still be eligible for SNAP benefits, right? Are you saying that if you have a job, you get no benefits?

My very first sentence said to run a background check on employment AND pay... I know some people don't make enough to survive on their paycheck alone. I also like the idea of it being a temporary assistance program so people can't live on it their entire life.

(09-13-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  You realize how large of a number even 10% is?

Using this data Food Stamp Annual Survey, for 2012, that would be approximately. $7.8 BILLION in fraud, and that's just using the 10% figure. I could very well be more.

How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

You do know that people that have jobs can still be eligible for SNAP benefits, right? Are you saying that if you have a job, you get no benefits?

My very first sentence said to run a background check on employment AND pay... I know some people don't make enough to survive on their paycheck alone. I also like the idea of it being a temporary assistance program so people can't live on it their entire life.

Where the government could help in this is to give businesses incentives to move these people off of the welfare rolls and into productivity. Tax breaks and free training would help. This type of government activity pays off in ROI.

(09-13-2013 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:35 AM)RobertN Wrote:  How would you cut/eliminate fraud? Does the government set up their own food pantries in towns across America? Eliminate programs entirely and let people starve to death? Go back to giving out free cheese?What is YOUR solution?

I kind of like the food pantry version but I can see problems with it. Things such as pretty much getting "food pantry" type food(ie. canned, boxed crap). While good if you are desperate(and obviously many are, that stuff isn't generally healthy. Fresh meat, dairy and produce would be difficult to maintain week to week and not have a lot of waste(but it can be done). Then it would be costly to do it every week in so many locations especially given that there may be a transportation problem for those that need the food-especially in the more rural areas. I guess the fed gov't could team up with the current food pantries but what about the religious ones? There are problem with this because some may have a problem with the mixing of gov't and religion(both ways).

Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

You do know that people that have jobs can still be eligible for SNAP benefits, right? Are you saying that if you have a job, you get no benefits?

My very first sentence said to run a background check on employment AND pay... I know some people don't make enough to survive on their paycheck alone. I also like the idea of it being a temporary assistance program so people can't live on it their entire life.

Where the government could help in this is to give businesses incentives to move these people off of the welfare rolls and into productivity. Tax breaks and free training would help. This type of government activity pays off in ROI.

Incentives other than more money may not work. Lots of these people could get jobs or better jobs but refuse to because they don't want to lose their welfare... There are girls where I work who refuse supervisory positions because they will lose benefits from the government.

Anyone want to guess as to the whereabouts of the father(s) of these 6 kids? My guess is she has no idea and could care less.

I bet you if you offered her free child care, free job training and to move her to a place where the jobs are...that she would find a way to decline the offer. She is an example of what the system has created. It is not her fault. She is simply doing what the system wants her to do.

(09-13-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 10:01 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Run a background check of employment and pay would be a start. The only way you could cheat the system then is to work under the table. With the amount of money the government throws around, they could afford to take many steps in eliminating fraud, but the democratic base would lose a lot of voters and support if they fought to stop this.

You do know that people that have jobs can still be eligible for SNAP benefits, right? Are you saying that if you have a job, you get no benefits?

My very first sentence said to run a background check on employment AND pay... I know some people don't make enough to survive on their paycheck alone. I also like the idea of it being a temporary assistance program so people can't live on it their entire life.

Where the government could help in this is to give businesses incentives to move these people off of the welfare rolls and into productivity. Tax breaks and free training would help. This type of government activity pays off in ROI.

Incentives other than more money may not work. Lots of these people could get jobs or better jobs but refuse to because they don't want to lose their welfare... There are girls where I work who refuse supervisory positions because they will lose benefits from the government.

I would oppose penalizing anyone that is trying to better themselves and move off the system. I am willing to help them and even possibly increase their net incomes if they are willing to work and be productive. If we had a consumption tax in place it would also help in this by giving them the monthly prebate and tax free used goods options.

(09-13-2013 10:13 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 08:59 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:31 AM)blah Wrote:  Oh the Huge Manatee!!!!!!

I'm going to spend 6 hours standing in line, but will I go look for a job? Yeah right! You owe me!!! Give me my food stamps!!!! What do you want my kids to go hungry? You need to provide for me and my kids!!!

How does this logic make sense to anyone with a brain?

It makes perfect sense Blah. She is an example of what the Welfare state has created. She knows no other way. She is simply a slave of the state. I blame the State more than I blame her. These people should not ever have been allowed to be at this point. No way in HELL should she ever been allowed to have 6 children that she can not support. This is destroying America.

Thank Lyndon Johnson.

Yep. The Great Society is not looking so great today.

(09-13-2013 11:01 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Anyone want to guess as to the whereabouts of the father(s) of these 6 kids? My guess is she has no idea and could care less.

I bet you if you offered her free child care, free job training and to move her to a place where the jobs are...that she would find a way to decline the offer. She is an example of what the system has created. It is not her fault. She is simply doing what the system wants her to do.

Yeah she would say that she can't take her kids out of the neighborhood they be in.