(01-26-2013 08:26 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:46 AM)billyjack Wrote:  Frankie Frisch, Vince Lombardi and Digger Phelps...!

Only sports nuts know Lombardi went to Fordham. FYI Lombardi is buried in my hometown.

Vince Lombardi died of colon cancer at the Georgetown University Hospital.

(01-25-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:48 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:14 AM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 09:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just don't see that being realistic. I mean, I don't see Georgetown willing to not play St John's 2x but playing Creighton 2x, while Marquette gets to play St John's 2x and Creigton 1x. It's just not realistic at all. And, don't give me what the 16 team conference is like- that's a totally different animal, and you know it.

Then keep it at 10. If you want Creighton/SLU/Dayton, then be willing to play them twice as often as you require MU to. Don't say you want Creighton and follow up with a "but you play them twice, not us" attitude. You should only add teams that you are willing to see twice on your own schedule.

I understand what you're saying--I didn't want Creighton or Saint Louis, but I think TV is going to strongly favor 12 over 10.

Russell Brand voice says: Don't think of it as playing Creighton twice a year every year--think of it as not having to play Seton HAll or PRovidence twice.

"or st johns" you left out part of russell brands quote

No matter how much we suck, playing us means playing at the Garden, so no one's going to complain. The Dunk doesn't have the same cachet.

not necasarily. some schools (not named georgetown or villanova)will play at carnesseca, wouldnt they?

(01-26-2013 12:08 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:58 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:21 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Ok, yeah, a fan in Kansas will know Creighton the way a New York fan will know Iona. Not comparing accomplishments, comparing profiles. I'd say both are known in their area as "pretty decent"--Iona has 8 regular season MAAC titles in 30 years. Of course MVC >>> MAAC. The point is, you know either one if you're a fan in the area, otherwise probably not.

I'd hope we are more well known than Iona but I'm in a Creighton bubble so my opinion would be biased.

I was just saying that, much like Iona would be semi-recognizable in New York but nowhere outside the NY/NJ/CT tri-state area. Creighton would be well known in Chicago, but maybe not in Detroit. Current run of regular season success aside.

Creighton is better known than Iona, the MVC is a higher-profile league than the MAAC. I'm just trying to make an analogy to another team that's a much more familiar name in their region than elsewhere.

Fordham might be a better choice to compare. imo creighton and fordham are known nationally but are obviously better known in their region. also both are respected academically. iona isnt up to their level yet

But Fordham isn't known for athletics. At all.

neiher is iona. at least fordham was relavent in fb in the 40's maybe even the 60's. iona cant claim that.Creighton definately has a respectable athletic program. imo they are a no brainer for the c7. shouldnt even be a second thought

(01-26-2013 11:46 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:08 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:58 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:21 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  I'd hope we are more well known than Iona but I'm in a Creighton bubble so my opinion would be biased.

I was just saying that, much like Iona would be semi-recognizable in New York but nowhere outside the NY/NJ/CT tri-state area. Creighton would be well known in Chicago, but maybe not in Detroit. Current run of regular season success aside.

Creighton is better known than Iona, the MVC is a higher-profile league than the MAAC. I'm just trying to make an analogy to another team that's a much more familiar name in their region than elsewhere.

Fordham might be a better choice to compare. imo creighton and fordham are known nationally but are obviously better known in their region. also both are respected academically. iona isnt up to their level yet

But Fordham isn't known for athletics. At all.

neiher is iona.

This is what I mean about differing local knowledges. Iona, unlike Fordham, wins their league every few years and gets mentioned at the end of college-basketball-roundup columns in the Post and Daily News.

(01-26-2013 11:42 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:48 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:14 AM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  Then keep it at 10. If you want Creighton/SLU/Dayton, then be willing to play them twice as often as you require MU to. Don't say you want Creighton and follow up with a "but you play them twice, not us" attitude. You should only add teams that you are willing to see twice on your own schedule.

I understand what you're saying--I didn't want Creighton or Saint Louis, but I think TV is going to strongly favor 12 over 10.

Russell Brand voice says: Don't think of it as playing Creighton twice a year every year--think of it as not having to play Seton HAll or PRovidence twice.

"or st johns" you left out part of russell brands quote

No matter how much we suck, playing us means playing at the Garden, so no one's going to complain. The Dunk doesn't have the same cachet.

not necasarily. some schools (not named georgetown or villanova)will play at carnesseca, wouldnt they?

Some, but no more than 2 a year. This year we have Seton Hall and Rutgers playing in the Garden, even though Rutgers usually plays in Carnesseca.

(01-26-2013 12:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 11:46 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:08 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:58 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I was just saying that, much like Iona would be semi-recognizable in New York but nowhere outside the NY/NJ/CT tri-state area. Creighton would be well known in Chicago, but maybe not in Detroit. Current run of regular season success aside.

Creighton is better known than Iona, the MVC is a higher-profile league than the MAAC. I'm just trying to make an analogy to another team that's a much more familiar name in their region than elsewhere.

Fordham might be a better choice to compare. imo creighton and fordham are known nationally but are obviously better known in their region. also both are respected academically. iona isnt up to their level yet

But Fordham isn't known for athletics. At all.

neiher is iona.

This is what I mean about differing local knowledges. Iona, unlike Fordham, wins their league every few years and gets mentioned at the end of college-basketball-roundup columns in the Post and Daily News.

I live the new york area and realize that iona is more likely to win its conference/make the tourney than Fordham. As instutuitions i feel Fordham is above Iona. It puzzles me as to why Fordham isn't more successful athletically, generally speaking. IMO Fordham should be second to st johns in nyc metro in BB (maybe 3rd to seton hall) but doesnt seem able to pull it off. oh well. I still want creighton

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(01-26-2013 02:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 11:46 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 12:08 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:58 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Fordham might be a better choice to compare. imo creighton and fordham are known nationally but are obviously better known in their region. also both are respected academically. iona isnt up to their level yet

But Fordham isn't known for athletics. At all.

neiher is iona.

This is what I mean about differing local knowledges. Iona, unlike Fordham, wins their league every few years and gets mentioned at the end of college-basketball-roundup columns in the Post and Daily News.

I live the new york area and realize that iona is more likely to win its conference/make the tourney than Fordham. As instutuitions i feel Fordham is above Iona. It puzzles me as to why Fordham isn't more successful athletically, generally speaking. IMO Fordham should be second to st johns in nyc metro in BB (maybe 3rd to seton hall) but doesnt seem able to pull it off. oh well. I still want creighton

Or the Manhattan Jaspers.

(01-26-2013 12:32 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 11:42 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 08:48 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I understand what you're saying--I didn't want Creighton or Saint Louis, but I think TV is going to strongly favor 12 over 10.

Russell Brand voice says: Don't think of it as playing Creighton twice a year every year--think of it as not having to play Seton HAll or PRovidence twice.

"or st johns" you left out part of russell brands quote

No matter how much we suck, playing us means playing at the Garden, so no one's going to complain. The Dunk doesn't have the same cachet.

not necasarily. some schools (not named georgetown or villanova)will play at carnesseca, wouldnt they?

Some, but no more than 2 a year. This year we have Seton Hall and Rutgers playing in the Garden, even though Rutgers usually plays in Carnesseca.

i didnt know that. I thought they played more games on campus.