(12-18-2012 03:49 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  That article mentions Mem, Temple, UConn and Temple could go with the Catholics. Do you guys think CUSA would accept them as football only just to foil Conference America?

I don't know about the others, but that's not happening in Memphis' case for numerous reasons.

(12-18-2012 04:17 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 03:49 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  That article mentions Mem, Temple, UConn and Temple could go with the Catholics. Do you guys think CUSA would accept them as football only just to foil Conference America?

I don't know about the others, but that's not happening in Memphis' case for numerous reasons.

Y'all should hop on that and then talk to the SBC about football.

(12-18-2012 04:17 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 03:49 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  That article mentions Mem, Temple, UConn and Temple could go with the Catholics. Do you guys think CUSA would accept them as football only just to foil Conference America?

I don't know about the others, but that's not happening in Memphis' case for numerous reasons.

If not Memphis what about UC, UConn, Temple and USF? That would take care of all the current BE members. They're all schools the C7 have a history with. I'm going to put it in the suggestion box at CUSA for the heck of it. You never know.

Where are you all getting the idea that Tulsa and/or USM are going anywhere?

Everything I've read mentions BYU, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State and/or UNLV as being on deck.

(12-18-2012 05:48 PM)gata_dawg Wrote:  Where are you all getting the idea that Tulsa and/or USM are going anywhere?

Everything I've read mentions BYU, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State and/or UNLV as being on deck.

I agree. They're not looking at USM or Tulsa. After BYU, UNR, AFA, and Fresno turn them down (likely) then I see them going for Tulsa and maybe UTEP. USM seems to be a nonentity in these discusions, and unfortunately I think that's just fine with our bean-counter AD.

(12-18-2012 05:54 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:48 PM)gata_dawg Wrote:  Where are you all getting the idea that Tulsa and/or USM are going anywhere?

Everything I've read mentions BYU, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State and/or UNLV as being on deck.

I agree. They're not looking at USM or Tulsa. After BYU, UNR, AFA, and Fresno turn them down (likely) then I see them going for Tulsa and maybe UTEP. USM seems to be a nonentity in these discusions, and unfortunately I think that's just fine with our bean-counter AD.

If any western schools were possiblilties, why take tulane???

(12-18-2012 06:01 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:54 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:48 PM)gata_dawg Wrote:  Where are you all getting the idea that Tulsa and/or USM are going anywhere?

Everything I've read mentions BYU, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State and/or UNLV as being on deck.

I agree. They're not looking at USM or Tulsa. After BYU, UNR, AFA, and Fresno turn them down (likely) then I see them going for Tulsa and maybe UTEP. USM seems to be a nonentity in these discusions, and unfortunately I think that's just fine with our bean-counter AD.

If any western schools were possiblilties, why take tulane???

To secure the Sugar Bowl tie-in obviously.

(12-18-2012 12:11 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 11:20 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I can't wait until the actual numbers come out. I love reading all the boards in the network, so hearing the back and forth will be fun.
Several scenarios could play out.
1. The numbers are so embarrassingly low that the C-USA alums drink the kool-aid and end it.

2. The numbers aren't embarrassingly low, but enough that they're okay with it and still claim superiority over "the little people" although they're not at the adults table either.

3. Someone being coy, takes the font of the Big East logo and makes their own "Butt Hurt Conference" logo using the leftovers from the C7, which sparks a CSN riot.

4. The schools all finally realize that if you'd all make geographically friendly conferences, accept that the separation truly isn't that much between the current non-AQ's, you'd have something. This won't happen of course because it makes sense. Geographically close rivals so the schools with smaller fan bases can capitalize on more visiting fans, meaning fuller stadiums and the potential for people to look and say damn, that's a pretty cool atmosphere instead of seeing half empty facilities and the appearance of apathetic students/communities.

5. I'm called every name in the book by someone for even daring to post here without kissing someone's arse, because clearly on a public messageboard nobody is allowed to post anything related to personal opinion anywhere unless you are given permission to do so.

6. Brett McMurphy, Andy Katz and ESPN will be blamed for all of this, because these metro schools certainly were the hottest ticket in town on to begin with and those meanies at ESPN, NBC Sports, CBS sports network and Fox Sports One ruined everyone's big chance. Like, for realz.

I don't agree with #4. There are a whole bunch of non-AQ teams that I look at as embarrassments. You can't compare USM, ECU, Tulsa, etc. to GA State, USA, and such.

That's one of the main thing that pisses me off about all this. We didn't play-and win- all of those tough games to get lumped in with USA, GSU, or even (sorry...) UNT.
Southern Miss is the real deal, bu we've been overwhelmed by imitators.

USM didn't win any games this season. They went 0-12.

C-USA has a chance to be something good at a time when most non- Big 5 conferences are unstable. I don't believe USM will stay down for long. Aside from this season, they have a great track record.

UNT was 4-8 this season. Not great, but better then 0-12. North Texas will be an asset to C-USA.

North Texas for its' various reasons has struggled mightily in recent years, and granted C-USA was WAAAAY down this year, teams like Southern Miss will bounce back quickly.
This league still has some nice programs, USM, Tulsa, and Marshall have pretty loyal bases and have been winning games in the last 5-10 years.
It's not to say that UNT won't be better because with the resources you have the Mean Green should be more competitive.
It'll be a nice conference year in, year out. I just don't know that all this holds together and there isn't some kind of even more massive shakeup.

That said, the comedy of the C7/leftovers shakeup should only get better after the start of the new year and towards the end of basketball season.

(12-18-2012 11:54 AM)Comet Wrote:  I can't imagine that there are any deep discussions of tv contracts going on right now in light of constant conference shuffling. Whatever progress had been made before the Rutgers loss has probably been lost and parties probably have had to start over. In fact, I'm sure Aresco is working with networks to figure out what combination of teams for the conference would maximize a deal for them. Any numbers you hear right now are probably going to be random guesses without any real facts to stand on. I'm still expecting anywhere between 4-7 million per team.

you guys keep saying this..but please explain to me why the network execs wouldnt pay you that playing memphis, USM, Tulane, and the rest of CUSA while in CUSA..but will now pay you that amount to play Memphis, Tulane, even USM if invited and the rest of CUSA plus Boise just because you change your logo on the 25? correct me if I am wrong but your market share nor location has changed and not but a few of your opponents?

(12-19-2012 01:17 PM)Usm_13 Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 11:54 AM)Comet Wrote:  I can't imagine that there are any deep discussions of tv contracts going on right now in light of constant conference shuffling. Whatever progress had been made before the Rutgers loss has probably been lost and parties probably have had to start over. In fact, I'm sure Aresco is working with networks to figure out what combination of teams for the conference would maximize a deal for them. Any numbers you hear right now are probably going to be random guesses without any real facts to stand on. I'm still expecting anywhere between 4-7 million per team.

you guys keep saying this..but please explain to me why the network execs wouldnt pay you that playing memphis, USM, Tulane, and the rest of CUSA while in CUSA..but will now pay you that amount to play Memphis, Tulane, even USM if invited and the rest of CUSA plus Boise just because you change your logo on the 25? correct me if I am wrong but your market share nor location has changed and not but a few of your opponents?

Because Louisville, USF, and Cincinatti make more than they made playing each other in CUSA? You know, it is possible that teams are being underpaid in CUSA. You have to admit, that thought has to have crossed your mind. The big conferences make 20 million a team and we make 1 million a team. I know they bring more to the table than we do--but do they really get 20X the ratings of CUSA teams? Just saying, is 5-7 million really all that crazy a valuation? Maybe when you package a few of the better known mid-majors together you just get a chance to get fairer valuation...idk. For mid-majors, I do think grabbing a bunch of markets and better known names could be more attractive to networks than just assembling conferences based on nothing more than the schools happen to be near one another. FWIW-I think the pay divide between the big and small conferences is ridiculously out of wack and will narrow at some point.

I always thought the Big East would get around $6-$8 million per school on their new TV contract............that was before Louisville, Notre Dame, Rutgers and the Catholic schools decided to leave the Big East. Once those 10 schools are out, I just can't see the Big East getting more than $3 million per school. I just can't see more than that for a bunch of MWC/C-USA schools that just changed conference logos in their field/court. Is it more than what we're currently getting in C-USA? Absolutely. But I'm just not buying a network is going to offer the Big East millions per year just because they need inventory. That's not how the market works.

Louisville, USF and Cincinati moved when they still had Pitt, Syracuse, and West Virginia, and the Big East was still living off of Miami, BC and VPI. Even then, the payout was never more than what, 3-4 million dollars per team? Now, you're saying that the conference is going to lose its' remaining programs that have some form of national name recognition in football and replace them with schools that traditionally can't draw flies and aren't even remotely close to being the most popular college teams in their towns?
I love mid major athletics, but business wise it doesn't have the viewers and there's no way in hell ESPN, Fox, NBC or CBS are going to shell out 4 million a team per year for these schools. Not when they can show more SEC, more Big XII, more Big Ten and more Pac 12 football.
Maybe, MAYBE you get executives at a non-traditional channel to show your games and pay you that, but who in the hell is watching Spike TV or TBS/TNT for football?
I do wish it different, but the reality is it isn't.
One last time, if you see a game with an empty stadium on TV, do you stop and watch or do you change the channel?

(12-19-2012 01:53 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Louisville, USF and Cincinati moved when they still had Pitt, Syracuse, and West Virginia, and the Big East was still living off of Miami, BC and VPI. Even then, the payout was never more than what, 3-4 million dollars per team? Now, you're saying that the conference is going to lose its' remaining programs that have some form of national name recognition in football and replace them with schools that traditionally can't draw flies and aren't even remotely close to being the most popular college teams in their towns?
I love mid major athletics, but business wise it doesn't have the viewers and there's no way in hell ESPN, Fox, NBC or CBS are going to shell out 4 million a team per year for these schools. Not when they can show more SEC, more Big XII, more Big Ten and more Pac 12 football.
Maybe, MAYBE you get executives at a non-traditional channel to show your games and pay you that, but who in the hell is watching Spike TV or TBS/TNT for football?
I do wish it different, but the reality is it isn't.
One last time, if you see a game with an empty stadium on TV, do you stop and watch or do you change the channel?

ehh. Its all speculation right now. We will know within month or so one way or another. If its 4-7 million, expect a 2 division nationwide all-sports Big East confernece. If its 2 or 3 million each, expect basically most of 2012 CUSA with Temple, UConn, Cinci, USF, and maybe Navy. When UConn and Cinci leaves--it will be 2012 CUSA with Temple and Navy, maybe even a MAC team or 2 will slip in.

If 2-million is the best mid-majors can do, then within a decade we will all be in another division of football. The Houston program would probably have to shut down. I dont think Houstonians will turn out for an upgraded FCS division.

(12-18-2012 11:24 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  Unpossible,

I read on here many times the NBE would make ACC-level money or more, then they will begin poaching the Big 12 and ACC.

that was before the BE lost Louisville, Rutgers, ND Olympic sports, and the Catholic schools...a lot has changed...but we still have a good group of schools...now it's time to expand and move forward.

(12-19-2012 02:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If 2-million is the best mid-majors can do, then within a decade we will all be in another division of football.

Unfortunately this appears exactly what the Big5 have in store for 'everyone else'. The current (?) plan is to upgrade a couple of non BCS bowls, possibly the Capitol One and the Cotton Bowl, and offer everyone outside the Big 5 one slot out of a possible 14 (?) if they run the table.

(12-19-2012 02:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If 2-million is the best mid-majors can do, then within a decade we will all be in another division of football. The Houston program would probably have to shut down. I dont think Houstonians will turn out for an upgraded FCS division.

The split will take longer than most think. Let's say there's 4-5 Super conferences, 16 teams per. That means the Big XII has to find SIX TEAMS, the Pac 12 four, etc...
There simply isn't enough "big boy" teams to go around, so they'll have to draw from the Mountain West/whatever it's called conference.

Out of that, the only viable candidates are Fresno, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UCF, USF, Cincinatti, UCONN, Boise, Southern miss, East Carolina and Memphis, but I think a conference will want some football guarantees before taking a serious look at them. So roughly 12 teams for:

6 Big XII
4 Pac 12
4 ACC
2 Big Ten
2 SEC

That's if they don't poach the ACC and shut that league down, which I don't think will happen. The Carolina schools like their academics and geographic rivalries. It won't be as bad as people think, because ultimately even after it happens, these teams are going to want those "guarantee" games with the so called smaller conferences. They need C-USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West and MAC more than most realize, if nothing more to pad win totals by schdeuling perennially struggling programs.

(12-20-2012 10:32 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  It won't be as bad as people think, because ultimately even after it happens, these teams are going to want those "guarantee" games with the so called smaller conferences. They need C-USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West and MAC more than most realize, if nothing more to pad win totals by schdeuling perennially struggling programs.

Agree here. If the Big 5 conferences have to play just each other, some of the mid-level programs will lose 7 games and not go bowling.

I don't think Aresco is hiding the TV figures.... They're just so small, they're hard to see..... Just like CUSA's.

(12-20-2012 10:32 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 02:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If 2-million is the best mid-majors can do, then within a decade we will all be in another division of football. The Houston program would probably have to shut down. I dont think Houstonians will turn out for an upgraded FCS division.

The split will take longer than most think. Let's say there's 4-5 Super conferences, 16 teams per. That means the Big XII has to find SIX TEAMS, the Pac 12 four, etc...
There simply isn't enough "big boy" teams to go around, so they'll have to draw from the Mountain West/whatever it's called conference.

Out of that, the only viable candidates are Fresno, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UCF, USF, Cincinatti, UCONN, Boise, Southern miss, East Carolina and Memphis, but I think a conference will want some football guarantees before taking a serious look at them. So roughly 12 teams for:

6 Big XII
4 Pac 12
4 ACC
2 Big Ten
2 SEC

That's if they don't poach the ACC and shut that league down, which I don't think will happen. The Carolina schools like their academics and geographic rivalries. It won't be as bad as people think, because ultimately even after it happens, these teams are going to want those "guarantee" games with the so called smaller conferences. They need C-USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West and MAC more than most realize, if nothing more to pad win totals by schdeuling perennially struggling programs.

I say the big boys will eventually split off to form their own group and follow the NFL model. NCAA be damn. They won't take alot of dead weight with them though. No need to split the pie more than necessary. We (all of us mid-majors and big5 cellar dwellars) will once again be playing college football on a more level playing field.
To much money involved for it not to happen.
One more thing; the NFL is already aware this is going to happen. Look no further than the league playing on week nights now, competing with what used to be ESPN's exclusive college nights.