An interesting idea about Notre Dame, however as long as the Big East doesn't try to force them to do anything other than what they are doing right now, they would have no reason to leave the Big East for basketball. For even more reasons than the other basketball only schools to hang with the BE football schools, ND has a really cushy setup. It gets a cut of the Big East TV contracts that are largely driven by football, yet they have their own TV deal in football as an independent with NBC that they don't have to share with anybody. What a deal.

(04-24-2012 06:06 PM)PTJR Wrote:  An interesting idea about Notre Dame, however as long as the Big East doesn't try to force them to do anything other than what they are doing right now, they would have no reason to leave the Big East for basketball. For even more reasons than the other basketball only schools to hang with the BE football schools, ND has a really cushy setup. It gets a cut of the Big East TV contracts that are largely driven by football, yet they have their own TV deal in football as an independent with NBC that they don't have to share with anybody. What a deal.

Good point. At some point I'd think they'd get sick of the mess though. No Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and probably Louisville. And without those visits from Notre Dame, I don't think the Big East tv deal is worth nearly as much. If Notre Dame can figure out a way to split the road tv gate with the team they're scheduling without being in the same conference, then they'd be gone. I still think the football game at Memphis and SMU isn't going to be worth as much to ESPN though. ND has taken a hit with all this.

(04-24-2012 06:37 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:06 PM)PTJR Wrote:  An interesting idea about Notre Dame, however as long as the Big East doesn't try to force them to do anything other than what they are doing right now, they would have no reason to leave the Big East for basketball. For even more reasons than the other basketball only schools to hang with the BE football schools, ND has a really cushy setup. It gets a cut of the Big East TV contracts that are largely driven by football, yet they have their own TV deal in football as an independent with NBC that they don't have to share with anybody. What a deal.

Good point. At some point I'd think they'd get sick of the mess though. No Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and probably Louisville. And without those visits from Notre Dame, I don't think the Big East tv deal is worth nearly as much. If Notre Dame can figure out a way to split the road tv gate with the team they're scheduling without being in the same conference, then they'd be gone. I still think the football game at Memphis and SMU isn't going to be worth as much to ESPN though. ND has taken a hit with all this.

I agree that the Big East has taken a hit. And if the A10 can pull off the addition of Butler, VCU, and GMU, there won't be much separation of the two leagues in basketball.

But as long as the big dough keeps flowing Notre Dame's way, they can put up with a lot of "mess".

(04-24-2012 04:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 04:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 03:14 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 03:05 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 02:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Large TV market (that we don't physically share with another school)

Physically no, but being #6 in CLT market share yes.

Networks don't care so long as they have a presense in the market and broadcast content. Charlotte has the largest alumni base in the Charlotte metro region (65,000). Networks only want advertisers to know they have content that plays in a market.

That market runs from Boone to Charlotte and runs right through the heart of ASU's alumni base. Looks like ASU fits the bill if that's all networks care about.

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/north_carolina.gif

You Appy's have been showing this map for the last 2 years. Good luck!

Yeah let's just ignore a map of TV areas...

(04-24-2012 06:43 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:37 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:06 PM)PTJR Wrote:  An interesting idea about Notre Dame, however as long as the Big East doesn't try to force them to do anything other than what they are doing right now, they would have no reason to leave the Big East for basketball. For even more reasons than the other basketball only schools to hang with the BE football schools, ND has a really cushy setup. It gets a cut of the Big East TV contracts that are largely driven by football, yet they have their own TV deal in football as an independent with NBC that they don't have to share with anybody. What a deal.

Good point. At some point I'd think they'd get sick of the mess though. No Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and probably Louisville. And without those visits from Notre Dame, I don't think the Big East tv deal is worth nearly as much. If Notre Dame can figure out a way to split the road tv gate with the team they're scheduling without being in the same conference, then they'd be gone. I still think the football game at Memphis and SMU isn't going to be worth as much to ESPN though. ND has taken a hit with all this.

I agree that the Big East has taken a hit. And if the A10 can pull off the addition of Butler, VCU, and GMU, there won't be much separation of the two leagues in basketball.

But as long as the big dough keeps flowing Notre Dame's way, they can put up with a lot of "mess".

There would still be a huge difference between BE and A10. While A10 has some good teams it is nothing in comparison, even losing the 3 teams they still have UCON, Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame & Cincinnati not to mention several teams currently down on their luck. The dregs of the BE will clean the floor of a new invigorated A10.

(04-24-2012 08:45 PM)RidgeRunner Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:43 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:37 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 06:06 PM)PTJR Wrote:  An interesting idea about Notre Dame, however as long as the Big East doesn't try to force them to do anything other than what they are doing right now, they would have no reason to leave the Big East for basketball. For even more reasons than the other basketball only schools to hang with the BE football schools, ND has a really cushy setup. It gets a cut of the Big East TV contracts that are largely driven by football, yet they have their own TV deal in football as an independent with NBC that they don't have to share with anybody. What a deal.

Good point. At some point I'd think they'd get sick of the mess though. No Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and probably Louisville. And without those visits from Notre Dame, I don't think the Big East tv deal is worth nearly as much. If Notre Dame can figure out a way to split the road tv gate with the team they're scheduling without being in the same conference, then they'd be gone. I still think the football game at Memphis and SMU isn't going to be worth as much to ESPN though. ND has taken a hit with all this.

I agree that the Big East has taken a hit. And if the A10 can pull off the addition of Butler, VCU, and GMU, there won't be much separation of the two leagues in basketball.

But as long as the big dough keeps flowing Notre Dame's way, they can put up with a lot of "mess".

There would still be a huge difference between BE and A10. While A10 has some good teams it is nothing in comparison, even losing the 3 teams they still have UCON, Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame & Cincinnati not to mention several teams currently down on their luck. The dregs of the BE will clean the floor of a new invigorated A10.

Not so. UConn won't even be eligible for the NCAA Tournament next year, and in any event is doing everything in its power to leave the BE for the ACC. Louisville is lobbying to get in the Big 12, as is Cincinatti (which had its but kicked by Xavier this past season). The other three schools are good BBall schools, as are the ones wanting to leave that you mentioned. But Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass, and the additional recent final four teams of Butler, VCU and GMU, makes the A10 pretty stout. I doubt any of those teams would fear Providence, Rutgers, SMU, UCF, USF, or Houston much. It ain't your Daddy's Big East anymore.

And by the way, who was it that knocked Memphis and Notre Dame out of the NCAA Tournament this year? Oh yeah, it was St. Louis and Xavier of the Atlantic 10.

Basketball? ACC > the new Big East. BE is losing the top two (historically) teams, Pitt & Syracuse. Combine them with Duke, UNC, UVA, Miami, etc, and you've got an awesome group of schools. I wonder how the basketball world will react to all this realignment stuff.

(04-24-2012 09:50 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Basketball? ACC > the new Big East. BE is losing the top two (historically) teams, Pitt & Syracuse. Combine them with Duke, UNC, UVA, Miami, etc, and you've got an awesome group of schools. I wonder how the basketball world will react to all this realignment stuff.

I would tend to agree that the ACC is getting ready to reassume the position of the top basketball league with the addition of Syracuse and Pitt. The Big East however is going in the opposite direction in basketball and football. Don't get me wrong, it will still be a very good basketball league, and a pretty mediocre football league (so what else is new), but it won't be the dominiant league in basketball that it has been in the past. Especially when the continued defections occur.

(04-24-2012 08:13 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Yeah let's just ignore a map of TV areas...

Your DMA is Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir get over it.

(04-25-2012 08:56 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 08:13 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Yeah let's just ignore a map of TV areas...

Your DMA is Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir get over it.

Got a map or link that proves that? I can find several that show App in the Charlotte DMA in a matter of minutes.

(04-25-2012 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Got a map or link that proves that? I can find several that show App in the Charlotte DMA in a matter of minutes.

It's joke but I wouldn't expect you to get it. They try to claim the Winston-Salem & Greensboro market too.




How many people in Charlotte would actually watch an App game? Especially a home game, anyone who cared would be up at the game.

(04-25-2012 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 08:56 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 08:13 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Yeah let's just ignore a map of TV areas...

Your DMA is Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir get over it.

Got a map or link that proves that? I can find several that show App in the Charlotte DMA in a matter of minutes.

He is confusing DMA with MSA.

DMA is media market, MSA is an economic grouping.

Boone is several counties away from the Charlotte MSA, but it is a part of the DMA.

(04-25-2012 09:14 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Got a map or link that proves that? I can find several that show App in the Charlotte DMA in a matter of minutes.

It's joke but I wouldn't expect you to get it. They try to claim the Winston-Salem & Greensboro market too.




How many people in Charlotte would actually watch an App game? Especially a home game, anyone who cared would be up at the game.

I would...if we weren't playing.

(04-25-2012 09:14 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Got a map or link that proves that? I can find several that show App in the Charlotte DMA in a matter of minutes.

It's joke but I wouldn't expect you to get it. They try to claim the Winston-Salem & Greensboro market too.




How many people in Charlotte would actually watch an App game? Especially a home game, anyone who cared would be up at the game.

I'm sure a good number of people who don't go to the games would watch in Charlotte if it's on TV. I have no rooting interest in App but if they are on TV I usually make it a point to watch. Can't I make the exact same argument about Charlotte when they start a football team? How many people would actually watch a Charlotte home game, anyone who cared would be at the game. By the way I know it's a stupid argument both ways. There are fans of other programs who would want to watch both. There are fans of that program who are just more causal and don't go to games that would watch both. If it's all about "potential viewers" they have just as many by the stupid DMA theory as Charlotte does. I think that entire theory is garbage by the way.

(04-25-2012 09:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think that entire theory is garbage by the way.

I agree, I've never really looked at our chances as based solely on market. It's more or so icing on the cake for whatever conference.



If these conferences were so concerned about DMA, viewership, etc. wouldn't there be more chatter about App St.? Per your point, they are "technically" in the Charlotte DMA and have a top FCS program yet we've heard very little about them.

(04-25-2012 10:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(04-25-2012 09:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think that entire theory is garbage by the way.

I agree, I've never really looked at our chances as based solely on market. It's more or so icing on the cake for whatever conference.



If these conferences were so concerned about DMA, viewership, etc. wouldn't there be more chatter about App St.? Per your point, they are "technically" in the Charlotte DMA and have a top FCS program yet we've heard very little about them.

Well Charlotte is getting major chatter because C-USA wants them back. Now I do think there is a part of the market theory that is true. While I think the potential viewers is a load of crap the potential for the program to get more money and donations from local businesses is there. This is where you guys have a big leg up on App. There are a lot of businesses in the Charlotte area who will invest in the local program if you get an FBS football program going. So you guys have a wider avenue for potential donations than App does. I think your "viewership potential" is no different, but your financial potential is much different.

App is split. Go watch TV in Boone. They are counted in three markets, being able to pick up stations from three markets. I've watched in all three to see if they get coverage, and they do, especially during football.
Remember guys, everyone who has moved up had to start somewhere. Some conference gave them a chance. Charlotte fans don't want to see them because they know deep down as an upstart program it's going to take time to catch up to App on the field and in the stands.
App has great facilities, beautiful stadium with expansion capabilities on the visitors side and one of the endzones. The basketball facility is great though the program is in the toilet.
One last thing, Charlotte should want App wherever they go. Yes there is competition for recruits and fannies in seats, but it's also the potential for a great instate rivalry. It's a short drive for both fan bases to get to their campuses, and I honestly think it could come close to if not FILL BOA Stadium in Charlotte. I know an East Carolina/Charlotte East carolina/App matchup would. Focus on the regional rivalry, build that up. It can only make your programs better.

(04-25-2012 10:41 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  App is split. Go watch TV in Boone. They are counted in three markets, being able to pick up stations from three markets. I've watched in all three to see if they get coverage, and they do, especially during football.
Remember guys, everyone who has moved up had to start somewhere. Some conference gave them a chance. Charlotte fans don't want to see them because they know deep down as an upstart program it's going to take time to catch up to App on the field and in the stands.
App has great facilities, beautiful stadium with expansion capabilities on the visitors side and one of the endzones. The basketball facility is great though the program is in the toilet.
One last thing, Charlotte should want App wherever they go. Yes there is competition for recruits and fannies in seats, but it's also the potential for a great instate rivalry. It's a short drive for both fan bases to get to their campuses, and I honestly think it could come close to if not FILL BOA Stadium in Charlotte. I know an East Carolina/Charlotte East carolina/App matchup would. Focus on the regional rivalry, build that up. It can only make your programs better.

You need to stop right there, there is no room for logic here. ASU/ECU/UNCC in the same conference makes too much sense, the rivalries would be amazing, the week leading up to games would shut these boards down.

Remember realignment isn't about rivalries and fanbases it is about TV "potential", ASU and ECU fans know this all too well. If it were about fans in the stands and competing on the field ECU would be in the Big East and ASU would be in CUSA.

(04-25-2012 10:41 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  App is split. Go watch TV in Boone. They are counted in three markets, being able to pick up stations from three markets. I've watched in all three to see if they get coverage, and they do, especially during football.
Remember guys, everyone who has moved up had to start somewhere. Some conference gave them a chance. Charlotte fans don't want to see them because they know deep down as an upstart program it's going to take time to catch up to App on the field and in the stands.
App has great facilities, beautiful stadium with expansion capabilities on the visitors side and one of the endzones. The basketball facility is great though the program is in the toilet.
One last thing, Charlotte should want App wherever they go. Yes there is competition for recruits and fannies in seats, but it's also the potential for a great instate rivalry. It's a short drive for both fan bases to get to their campuses, and I honestly think it could come close to if not FILL BOA Stadium in Charlotte. I know an East Carolina/Charlotte East carolina/App matchup would. Focus on the regional rivalry, build that up. It can only make your programs better.

ECU/USC didn't even fill BoA.

None of those three matchups would either. They would draw well, but they're not going to draw 72,000.

I'm in favor of App/ECU/Charlotte all being in the same conference.

Yeah ASU isn't in the Charlotte market. I wonder why they choose to put Brian Quick, ASU's WR, on the front page of the sports section today?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04...-line.html