(02-02-2012 01:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:08 PM)monty Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:44 PM)monty Wrote:  Sure sounds WVU is about to get out and they are looking at the cost/effectiveness of Boise or Memphis for next year --- Sticker of Boise's buyout would be around 7 mil - what would Memphis' be?

Then why wouldn't they just add Houston or SMU? It doesn't make any sense at all to add Memphis to replace WVU.

I agree, odds are they are coincidental minor penalties - Mephis being talked about as pre 2015 11/12 and they are trying to pop boise out (the most bang for the buck anyways); Memphis, though, might be willing/able to join football only and has a smaller buyout --- I just used the short hand of the rumors

Um, why would the Big East want Memphis football only? The non football piece of things is the most attractive part of Memphis...

Exactly. This "Memphis in '12" rumor makes less sense the more you look into it...

(02-01-2012 08:30 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  Might as well accept the same promise from UNLV and New Mexico. I'd rather have either of those over memphis. True western schools that add to that division.

Now that is funny

(02-02-2012 01:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:44 PM)monty Wrote:  Sure sounds WVU is about to get out and they are looking at the cost/effectiveness of Boise or Memphis for next year --- Sticker of Boise's buyout would be around 7 mil - what would Memphis' be?

Then why wouldn't they just add Houston or SMU? It doesn't make any sense at all to add Memphis to replace WVU.

Memphis and its benefactor Fred Smith (FredEx) is likely in a better position to pay through the teeth to get out of CUSA now. I suppose it's possible Memphis has also been told this is the only way they have a guaranteed place in the BE.

The more I think about it, the more I believe it will happen. Like Memphis or not, it makes sense.

yeah, it makes the most sense of anything for 2012.. Side effect makes the basketball teams giddy.

(02-01-2012 10:09 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  That tweet has gone viral and is spilling all over the web. Love it when that happens. Someone else said and I completely agree, If its coming from providence Its got some long legs. Those type of comments are not just thrown around up here in Friar town. That leak had a purpose. What that purpose is one only knows.
It could be to tell another option to **** or get off the pot so to speak, or it could just be to restock the bball side. If that the case they gotta make Temple a priority. JM has said they had a plan to have up to 24 teams. That would be fun.

If Memphis is being used as a pawn to get movement out of others then someone would deserve to burn in you know where.

Memphis's recent struggles in football had more to do with absymal recruiting in 2005-2007 than anything. Our recruiting classes the last three years have been much better.

New Coach Justin Fuente (former TCU OC) will be starting out with a lot more talent than we've had for the last three years. I'd be shocked if Memphis wasn't bowling within two years.

(02-02-2012 07:06 AM)zibby Wrote:  And just as Memphis basketball is dropping from elite to second-tier. Perfect timing as always, Big East.

Some more BS.

yeah. Since Calipari left, they've been in the 25-50 range all 3 years. So, kind of similar to a lot of the programs in the league.

Plus, now they don't have to schedule murderer's row OOC with the Big East conference schedule. 7 current top 60 teams on their OOC schedule.

No western schools add more value than Memphis. UNLV football sucks as much as New Mexico.

If Boise's buyout is $7 million, the additional income earned in The BEast will easily offset that. Same for Memphis...

I've spent nine years of my life waiting for this...

What's a little longer?

It's not the same conference it was in 2003, but we would have our bags packed and ready tomorrow.

Memphis makes more sense than SMU! If true I'm glad they're coming, and judging by their recent hire, I have faith in them turning around that football program. I've always seen Memphis as another Louisville waiting to burst onto the scenes (in both basketball and football).

(02-02-2012 08:43 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Not to rain on your parade, but other than wins in football, are there other factors that led to Boise getting an invite to the BE? Is there something that I'm missing???

You're right, that's what got Boise in. The difference is that Boise is a top 15 team pretty much every season. Memphis and Army both lose more than they win. He argued that Memphis sucks less. I responded by making the case that the positives Army brings to the table still outwiegh them sucking slightly more. By me saying the line you mentioned, I was looking to direct attention to Army's off the field strengths.

For example, you wouldn't argue Southern Miss brings more to a conference than Notre Dame would you? Even though Southern Miss had the better record and was ranked, there are still other factors that make Notre Dame the much better add. The same applies to Army. I'm not saying that Army = Notre Dame (they obviously don't), just trying to come up with an example.

As for Boise, There's a big difference between making the case from a win/loss perspective for a top 15 team that wins 11 games every season, compared to teams that win only four or 5. I don't believe you can judge these things in a vacuum. Boise's wins overrides their weaknesses. I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

(02-02-2012 01:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If Boise's buyout is $7 million, the additional income earned in The BEast will easily offset that. Same for Memphis...

I don't think it would since they still have one more season on the old contract. The new contract would pay for it but the old one wouldn't be 7 million more than they are getting now.

(02-02-2012 03:27 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

And so far you've shown nothing to prove that statement.

Memphis is better than Army in football, basketball, women's basketball, and baseball.

Memphis has a better television market and national brand.

Memphis has strong ties to the Liberty Bowl.

Memphis has rivalries with eight (current and future) Big East members.

You might be able to make a case of Memphis vs. Temple, but not Army. Memphis is a far better candidate.

(02-02-2012 03:27 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 08:43 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Not to rain on your parade, but other than wins in football, are there other factors that led to Boise getting an invite to the BE? Is there something that I'm missing???

You're right, that's what got Boise in. The difference is that Boise is a top 15 team pretty much every season. Memphis and Army both lose more than they win. He argued that Memphis sucks less. I responded by making the case that the positives Army brings to the table still outwiegh them sucking slightly more. By me saying the line you mentioned, I was looking to direct attention to Army's off the field strengths.

For example, you wouldn't argue Southern Miss brings more to a conference than Notre Dame would you? Even though Southern Miss had the better record and was ranked, there are still other factors that make Notre Dame the much better add. The same applies to Army. I'm not saying that Army = Notre Dame (they obviously don't), just trying to come up with an example.

As for Boise, There's a big difference between making the case from a win/loss perspective for a top 15 team that wins 11 games every season, compared to teams that win only four or 5. I don't believe you can judge these things in a vacuum. Boise's wins overrides their weaknesses. I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

Boise State will find things a bit more difficult playing the schedule they are going to have to play going forward. You do not believe me I know, but you will see. Attrition is a tough thing to deal with; top 15 will not be as easily done year in and year out. I love what Boise has done - knocking off the big boys to start a season. And I wish you could of had the chance at the BCS title at least one time in the past 5 years - would have loved to have seen it.

Remember your roots, my friend; Boise was not what it is today even 20 years ago. You had relaxed academic standards, built a program and racked up wins in a so/so league.

(02-02-2012 01:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:08 PM)monty Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 01:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 12:44 PM)monty Wrote:  Sure sounds WVU is about to get out and they are looking at the cost/effectiveness of Boise or Memphis for next year --- Sticker of Boise's buyout would be around 7 mil - what would Memphis' be?

Then why wouldn't they just add Houston or SMU? It doesn't make any sense at all to add Memphis to replace WVU.

I agree, odds are they are coincidental minor penalties - Mephis being talked about as pre 2015 11/12 and they are trying to pop boise out (the most bang for the buck anyways); Memphis, though, might be willing/able to join football only and has a smaller buyout --- I just used the short hand of the rumors

Um, why would the Big East want Memphis football only? The non football piece of things is the most attractive part of Memphis...

because you need 8 teams next year, maybe they come in cheap and fill out the schedule before coming a full member. Just typing outloud Iguess

(02-02-2012 03:41 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 03:27 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

And so far you've shown nothing to prove that statement.

Memphis is better than Army in football, basketball, women's basketball, and baseball.

Memphis has a better television market and national brand.

Memphis has strong ties to the Liberty Bowl.

Memphis has rivalries with eight (current and future) Big East members.

You might be able to make a case of Memphis vs. Temple, but not Army. Memphis is a far better candidate.

Army has a better national brand than Memphis. Army is in West Point, NY part of the NY Metropolitan area so they have the better television market. I'm tired of hearing the Liberty Bowl argument, last season proves how much the Liberty Bowl cares about Memphis when it took a Big East and an SEC team. That being said Memphis has much much higher potential in on-field performance for football.

(02-02-2012 03:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 03:41 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 03:27 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

And so far you've shown nothing to prove that statement.

Memphis is better than Army in football, basketball, women's basketball, and baseball.

Memphis has a better television market and national brand.

Memphis has strong ties to the Liberty Bowl.

Memphis has rivalries with eight (current and future) Big East members.

You might be able to make a case of Memphis vs. Temple, but not Army. Memphis is a far better candidate.

Army has a better national brand than Memphis. Army is in West Point, NY part of the NY Metropolitan area so they have the better television market. I'm tired of hearing the Liberty Bowl argument, last season proves how much the Liberty Bowl cares about Memphis when it took a Big East and an SEC team.

Army does not deliver a national audience nor the NY Metro market. Other than the Army/Navy FB game they're never on television. Memphis routinely is on television in basketball, and occasionally in FB.

And Liberty Bowl management has repeatedly stated their desire to align with whatever conference Memphis is in. They've been saying it for the last 20 years.

(02-02-2012 03:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 03:41 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 03:27 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  I'm arguing that Army's strengths override their losing more than Memphis' strengths override their losses.

And so far you've shown nothing to prove that statement.

Memphis is better than Army in football, basketball, women's basketball, and baseball.

Memphis has a better television market and national brand.

Memphis has strong ties to the Liberty Bowl.

Memphis has rivalries with eight (current and future) Big East members.

You might be able to make a case of Memphis vs. Temple, but not Army. Memphis is a far better candidate.

Army has a better national brand than Memphis. Army is in West Point, NY part of the NY Metropolitan area so they have the better television market. I'm tired of hearing the Liberty Bowl argument, last season proves how much the Liberty Bowl cares about Memphis when it took a Big East and an SEC team. That being said Memphis has much much higher potential in on-field performance for football.

Not only that, but Memphis would be an improvement for Big East basketball. Army wouldn't be in for basketball.