(02-01-2012 11:03 PM)PATiger Wrote:  You don't want Memphis because of their football but you say you want Army? Really? . . . yada, yada, yada

I don't agree with most of you points, but if your school gets the invite, I hope you keep bringing the excellent sig pictures.

In that arena, you are BCS worthy.

(02-01-2012 11:23 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 11:03 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 10:50 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  Initially, I'm not too excited over this move. I have Air Force and Temple at the top of my pecking order. I would still rather have Army after that (I've given up on BYU). Now I know we won't land all three.

I just don't like what Memphis brings on the football side of things. I think it drags our conference down and makes us look bad. How can we make the case that this conference belongs with the big boys, when we're inviting C-USA bottom feeders? I just don't want them to turn into a New Mexico/San Jose State and always be dragging down the football conference. Seeing that in the WAC/MWC got old fast. I simply don't see the football value Memphis brings, but I'm hoping they can turn things around quick and make me look dumb.

Having said all that, I guess adding Memphis appeases the basketball schools. We really need their support moving forward and must keep them happy for future votes. It's good to see the basketball side of things finally getting attention, but Temple could have had the same effect in basketball while not sacrificing football.

I don't know the whole Nova situation, but there's gotta be some creative thing you could do to appease both sides. I hope that we are really working dilligently to bring Temple aboard and that we didn't quit too easy on it. Still hoping Temple gets added to bring basketball to 18 and Air Force/Army get added for 14 football schools. That's my dream scenario. I'd be cool with UNLV or Fresno in place of Army, but getting Air Force on board is imperative. Missing out on both Air Force and BYU would be a disappointment.

You don't want Memphis because of their football but you say you want Army? Really? Army has had one winning season since 1996. Memphis leads the series with Army 4-1.

Forget about BYU and Air Force. Both were extended invitations. Both declined. BYU turned down the Big XII too, so they are off the table.

Ugh, didn't we have this discussion in another thread YESTERDAY??? Yes. Army sucks, but they bring much more to the table that helps override that. Army brings national appeal, second to none academics, second to none student athletes, tradition, huge historic rialvries... and all the $$$ from those games. You're looking at this from purely a win/loss perspective. There's much more that goes into making these decisions than that. I think the advantages Army brings override their losing. They, overall, bring more to the table than Memphis does. Memphis has basketball and a good market. While Westpoint is obviously not a big a Memphis, Army means much more on a national scale and would bring more eyeballs to the tv, in football, than Memphis would. Football is what drives the bus and Army beats out Memphis in that department. I don't know why this is so hard to figure out. Is there something that seperates Memphis from Army (or any other candidates for that matter) that I'm missing???

Yeah, the fact that Memphis owned Army like a cheap suit when they were in CUSA. In fact, Army is 17-38-2 against the current lineup in CUSA. The only two teams that didn't pound them on a regular basis were Tulane (no surprise there) and SMU.

What in the world makes you think they'd be anything but a bottom feeder in the Big East?

If this were the 1940s or 50s, you might have a point. But Army has been downright absymal for the better part of 30 years. They are NOT a name in football any more. Air Force and Navy left them in the dust years ago.

Speaking from one of the FB only teams brought in, I hope if Memphis really is being seriously considered, it's for BB/Oly sports only. Their FB program waters down the west competition. Weakening a FB division to get a BB program is dumb.
It's just as bad a choice as UNLV. Or NM. If the BB schools are desperate to strengthen their numbers, fine. Just don't sacrifice FB to get there.

Memphis went to five bowls in the last decade. SDSU and SMU went to five bowls in the last decade combined.

If you were that worried about football, neither of those schools would've been invited.

(02-01-2012 11:47 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Memphis went to five bowls in the last decade. SDSU and SMU went to five bowls in the last decade combined.

If you were that worried about football, neither of those schools would've been invited.

Yeah, but neither was brought in to get their BB program. That's a precedent we don't need to start now.

And there's no sense in compounding the issue.

(02-02-2012 12:05 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 11:47 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Memphis went to five bowls in the last decade. SDSU and SMU went to five bowls in the last decade combined.

If you were that worried about football, neither of those schools would've been invited.

Yeah, but neither was brought in to get their BB program. That's a precedent we don't need to start now.

And there's no sense in compounding the issue.

The Big East must care a little bit about basketball. Otherwise, they wouldn't be handing out these "football only" invitations.

There are eight non-football schools who helped add three bad basketball schools to the conference just to help out the football side. I expect they'll want concessions to help out the basketball side.

Memphis should have been added a long time ago. The football program was decent when the Big East first scooped up Cincinnati, Louisville, USF, DePaul, and Marquette from C-USA.

There isn't a program out there outside of BYU that is going to help the perception of the Big East. Heck even when BYU, Utah, TCU, Air Force, and SDSU were together in the MWC that conference was not considered elite.

At the end of the day, football is about as strong as its going to be so its time to build basketball back up. The ACC and the Big East are about the only two conferences where basketball matters. Memphis and Temple make a lot of sense to me.

Memphis I think would be a great addition for basketball. Football- not totally sold on, but it does have a lot of upside.

The only thing that concerns me is that the ACC coaches are going to whine again that the Big East is better in basketball, and ACC may poach on that.

(02-01-2012 10:42 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  To be honest the alliance and the Big East could still be great conferences.

Too many bottom feeders in the Alliance. Too few butts in seats.

11 of the 17 members have "announced" 3-year attendance averages of 25K or less.

And just as Memphis basketball is dropping from elite to second-tier. Perfect timing as always, Big East.

At first I like many others whom posted believed that they would water down football. However with Syracuse leaving you need another strong basketball school. I believe this would help conference stability in the long run.

(02-02-2012 07:06 AM)zibby Wrote:  And just as Memphis basketball is dropping from elite to second-tier. Perfect timing as always, Big East.

ACC trolls would do well to look at the performance of their recent additions before speaking up on Big East boards.

(02-01-2012 11:23 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 11:03 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 10:50 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  Initially, I'm not too excited over this move. I have Air Force and Temple at the top of my pecking order. I would still rather have Army after that (I've given up on BYU). Now I know we won't land all three.

I just don't like what Memphis brings on the football side of things. I think it drags our conference down and makes us look bad. How can we make the case that this conference belongs with the big boys, when we're inviting C-USA bottom feeders? I just don't want them to turn into a New Mexico/San Jose State and always be dragging down the football conference. Seeing that in the WAC/MWC got old fast. I simply don't see the football value Memphis brings, but I'm hoping they can turn things around quick and make me look dumb.

Having said all that, I guess adding Memphis appeases the basketball schools. We really need their support moving forward and must keep them happy for future votes. It's good to see the basketball side of things finally getting attention, but Temple could have had the same effect in basketball while not sacrificing football.

I don't know the whole Nova situation, but there's gotta be some creative thing you could do to appease both sides. I hope that we are really working dilligently to bring Temple aboard and that we didn't quit too easy on it. Still hoping Temple gets added to bring basketball to 18 and Air Force/Army get added for 14 football schools. That's my dream scenario. I'd be cool with UNLV or Fresno in place of Army, but getting Air Force on board is imperative. Missing out on both Air Force and BYU would be a disappointment.

You don't want Memphis because of their football but you say you want Army? Really? Army has had one winning season since 1996. Memphis leads the series with Army 4-1.

Forget about BYU and Air Force. Both were extended invitations. Both declined. BYU turned down the Big XII too, so they are off the table.

Ugh, didn't we have this discussion in another thread YESTERDAY??? Yes. Army sucks, but they bring much more to the table that helps override that. Army brings national appeal, second to none academics, second to none student athletes, tradition, huge historic rialvries... and all the $$$ from those games. You're looking at this from purely a win/loss perspective. There's much more that goes into making these decisions than that. I think the advantages Army brings override their losing. They, overall, bring more to the table than Memphis does. Memphis has basketball and a good market. While Westpoint is obviously not a big a Memphis, Army means much more on a national scale and would bring more eyeballs to the tv, in football, than Memphis would. Football is what drives the bus and Army beats out Memphis in that department. I don't know why this is so hard to figure out. Is there something that seperates Memphis from Army (or any other candidates for that matter) that I'm missing???

Not to rain on your parade, but other than wins in football, are there other factors that led to Boise getting an invite to the BE? Is there something that I'm missing???

(02-02-2012 07:06 AM)zibby Wrote:  And just as Memphis basketball is dropping from elite to second-tier. Perfect timing as always, Big East.

Memphis has an RPI of 26. That's higher than all but Duke, UNC, and Florida State in the ACC. It's also higher than Pittsburgh too.

(02-01-2012 07:12 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote:  Kevin McNamara - Memphis to Big East?

Quote:Hearing Big East is looking hard at adding Memphis. Talks are hot and heavy and would make a whopping 17 basketball teams.

:domokun:

This would be a predicted move as the BE will need to fill 3 all sports members to replace WVU, PITT and Syracuse.

It also brings in an old rival of UC and Louisville. I wonder if this move is a reaction to rumors about Louisville to the Big XII...

You have to remember, The BEast is reactive, not proactive...

It certainly isn't a move to stabilize football. Bringing Memphis into The BEast in all sports wil hurt the football rating quite a bit...

(02-02-2012 09:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It also brings in an old rival of UC and Louisville. I wonder if this move is a reaction to rumors about Louisville to the Big XII...

You have to remember, The BEast is reactive, not proactive...

It certainly isn't a move to stabilize football. Bringing Memphis into The BEast in all sports wil hurt the football rating quite a bit...

Conferences need to worry less about stabilizing football (especially when using a very limited short-term view) and start thinking about stabilizing the conference as a whole.

Spot on, Bit!

(02-02-2012 09:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It also brings in an old rival of UC and Louisville. I wonder if this move is a reaction to rumors about Louisville to the Big XII...

You have to remember, The BEast is reactive, not proactive...

It certainly isn't a move to stabilize football. Bringing Memphis into The BEast in all sports wil hurt the football rating quite a bit...

Sorry fellas, Memphis or Southern Miss, or hardly any other old rival will stop us from stabilizing ourselves...too much money invested in the program to hope Big East survives long term....

You will be proven to be correct very soon.