(09-21-2026 08:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 08:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  “12 months from January 20th… your gasoline for your car is going to be 50% cheaper,” trump declared at a speech to the Detroit Economic Club on October 10, 2024. “That’s a big thing.”

On January 20, 2025, the day trump took office for a second term, the average price for a gallon of gas was $3.12. Had Trump kept his pledge, gas would now cost about $1.57 per gallon.

Today's prices pre AAA:

Gas - $4.48 (Highest on 9/21 in American history, $.81 higher than 2022)
Diesel - $6.51 (Highest in American history)

DUMBEST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

lol, like everything happens in a vacuum.

Exactly. It shows how retarded Trump is. He didn't see this **** coming apparently.

(09-21-2026 02:10 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 08:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 08:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  “12 months from January 20th… your gasoline for your car is going to be 50% cheaper,” trump declared at a speech to the Detroit Economic Club on October 10, 2024. “That’s a big thing.”

On January 20, 2025, the day trump took office for a second term, the average price for a gallon of gas was $3.12. Had Trump kept his pledge, gas would now cost about $1.57 per gallon.

Today's prices pre AAA:

Gas - $4.48 (Highest on 9/21 in American history, $.81 higher than 2022)
Diesel - $6.51 (Highest in American history)

DUMBEST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

lol, like everything happens in a vacuum.

Exactly. It shows how retarded Trump is. He didn't see this **** coming apparently.

I hate these people.

I'm not f***ing joking either.

I HATE THEM.

(09-21-2026 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 09:35 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 09:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 09:10 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-19-2026 07:59 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Went to a gas station that still has $100 max per card swipe. Took 3 card swipes to fill up the boat.

They are going to have to update their systems

If they didnt want to update them under Biden, where the prices were permanently high, why would they spend the money to under Trump when they know they will go right back down?

I'll add "permanently" to the list of things you don't know the definition of. Like posit, spell-check, and word find.

Gas prices peaked at $5.02 in June of 22, but had dropped to $3.68 by this date in 2022, and were $3.12 when Biden left office in January 2025. Also, 2026 will most likely be the highest yearly average for gas AND diesel in US history...barring a major decline the next 3.5 months.

Muh permanently.

Well, I had to define "temporarily" for you the other day. Just sayin'

I asked for YOUR definition of it, not THE definition of it.

Since you seem to think this 6 months of consistently high gas prices is close to ending anytime soon.

Even another 6 months of higher gas prices will still only be temporary.

It's September 21st, 2026....

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(09-21-2026 02:34 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  It's September 21st, 2026....

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And several hundred million *do*, my friend.

You do you don't have to respond to what I post, right Elvis?

And contrary to your opinion of me, there are those on this board that for some reason like me, and care about me, and I appreciate them.

I don't care about you, Elvis.

I hate you and I want nothing to do with you.

Also, Elvis,

My pet dog almost getting killed by an owner's negligence from letting their aggressive dog run wild and loose is totally f***ing different than being able to put gas in your car.

But we all know you're better than us since you drive an EV.

F*** off. POS

(09-21-2026 03:29 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  You do you don't have to respond to what I post, right Elvis?

And contrary to your opinion of me, there are those on this board that for some reason like me, and care about me, and I appreciate them.

I don't care about you, Elvis.

I hate you and I want nothing to do with you.

If someone wishes to like you, that is great for you and them.

All in all, *you* are the one one walking around with that apparent Taxi Driver rage, my friend. Not me.

And even though for some reason there is unbridled and unvarnished hatred of me (and apparently anyone with whom you disagree with), it certainly didn’t keep me for responding with good wishes for you when you asked. And your level of hate certainly wouldn’t keep me from re-offering that again.

And *that*, my friend, is probably the biggest difference in us.

You be you, good sir.

(09-21-2026 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes, of course, the 3rd stimulus bill signed by Biden contributed to post-Covid inflation. Never claimed otherwise.

Okay, now walk back your fervor to defend and argue that President's decisions have little to do with Fuel Prices also mention the wizard on the internet that you follow confirms this as he is an expert in the field of oil gas.

"The contents of this message are hidden because tanqtonic is on your ignore list."

(09-21-2026 03:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes, of course, the 3rd stimulus bill signed by Biden contributed to post-Covid inflation. Never claimed otherwise.

Okay, now walk back you fervor to argue that President's decisions have little to do with Fuel Prices also mention the wizard on the internet that you follow confirms this as he is an expert in the field of oil gas.

We/I've explained this to you time and time again. It's clear you'll never understand what I've said and continued to say and explain no matter how many times I do it. Instead you continually misrepresent what I've said and what I've explained.

YES - Presidential polities effect prices. So do decisions, like launching idiotic wars in the ME with poor planning, no defined mission, and incompetent leadership.

NO - The daily price of gas isn't controlled by presidents whims and statements that aren't policy.

Gas and oil daily prices are driven by the market.

And not sure what you think you're achieving by trying to act like Matt Randolph isn't an oil and gas expert. His credentials aren't a secret.

Quote:Matt Randolph is a globally recognized expert in the oil and gas industry with over 33 years of experience spanning exploration, production, and strategic operations. Matt has played a key role in shaping energy standards, optimizing field development, and leading multi-billion-dollar projects across North America. His career is marked by a commitment to innovation, operational excellence, and sustainable energy solutions. A trusted voice in the industry, Matt is frequently sought after for keynote speaking engagements, advisory roles, and media commentary. He has mentored countless professionals and remains a driving force behind industry best practices and emerging energy trends. Matt is currently a principal partner in a fully integrated upstream oil and gas company.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattrandolph/

Lastly, a personal question. How did you ever learn anything in life? Did anybody teach you anything? Did you read anything ever and learn about topics? I still find it quite amusing that you see it as a flaw that someone learned something while you ignore any attempt to do so yourself while you just keep parroting ignorant talking points. Quite the flex!

Are we still paying Ukraine to blow up refineries?

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(09-21-2026 03:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 08:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes, of course, the 3rd stimulus bill signed by Biden contributed to post-Covid inflation. Never claimed otherwise.

Okay, now walk back your fervor to defend and argue that President's decisions have little to do with Fuel Prices also mention the wizard on the internet that you follow confirms this as he is an expert in the field of oil gas.

Care to walk back your comment that when your first claim that "Progressive loons who claimed Biden had zero to do with inflation and high fuel prices" was responded to with "Almost no person (progressives included) claims that the Biden policies re: the economy in Covid were non inflationary", your response was "SEE: RedwingTommy"?

I seem to have missed that action on your part, surprisingly.

Maybe the 'surprisingly' is a tad sarcastic.....

Its easy, BD, Simply say "I, BlueDragon, was absolutely and provably wrong that Tom claimed Biden had zero to do with inflation and high prices.'

(09-21-2026 04:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And not sure what you think you're achieving by trying to act like Matt Randolph isn't an oil and gas expert. His credentials aren't a secret.

Hes thinking he doesnt wish to to walk back \his comment that when your first claim that that you "claimed Biden had zero to do with inflation and high fuel prices".

Instead, when shown to be provably incorrect, he demands more.

(09-21-2026 04:10 PM)b2b Wrote:  Are we still paying Ukraine to blow up refineries?

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So are we now going to add 'Ukrainians' to the bevy of baddies like "Democratic crooks and illegal aliens" that are the *major* sourcing of the current high price of oil and oil products?

This is fun, watching everyone try to discount the shutting off of 20% of the worlds oil supply by sparking a special military operation.

I mean, blame anything and everything except to the one guy singularly making the one decision that precipitates to closing the Hormuz..... lolz.

(09-21-2026 06:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 04:10 PM)b2b Wrote:  Are we still paying Ukraine to blow up refineries?

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So are we now going to add 'Ukrainians' to the bevy of baddies like "Democratic crooks and illegal aliens" that are the *major* sourcing of the current high price of oil and oil products?

This is fun, watching everyone try to discount the shutting off of 20% of the worlds oil supply by sparking a special military operation.

I mean, blame anything and everything except to the one guy singularly making the one decision that precipitates to closing the Hormuz..... lolz.

2 things can be true. Trump royally effed up in Iran. I've posted that many times since it became clear there was no real plan. So despite your smartass remark I'm 100% on your side regarding the price of fuel as it pertains to Iran.

Regarding Ukraine, Z has basically leaned he can manipulate the world now.

(09-21-2026 08:35 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 06:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 04:10 PM)b2b Wrote:  Are we still paying Ukraine to blow up refineries?

So are we now going to add 'Ukrainians' to the bevy of baddies like "Democratic crooks and illegal aliens" that are the *major* sourcing of the current high price of oil and oil products?

This is fun, watching everyone try to discount the shutting off of 20% of the worlds oil supply by sparking a special military operation.

I mean, blame anything and everything except to the one guy singularly making the one decision that precipitates to closing the Hormuz..... lolz.

Regarding Ukraine, Z has basically leaned he can manipulate the world now.

Remind me, when did trumps war in Iran start?

From GPT-5.6 Terra, Here's a list of attacks inside Russia by Ukraine on oil infrastructure:

Quote:2022
June 22 — Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery, Rostov Oblast. A drone strike caused a fire at the refinery; it was one of the earliest widely reported attacks on a Russian oil-processing facility.

2023
May 3–4 — Novoshakhtinsk refinery, Rostov Oblast. Reported drone attack/fire.
May 3–5 — Ilsky refinery, Krasnodar Krai. A series of drone attacks and fires.
May 4 and May 31 — Afipsky refinery, Krasnodar Krai. Reported drone strikes/fires.
August–September — oil-storage and pipeline-linked targets in Bryansk and other border regions. Several incidents were reported, but public attribution and the distinction between successful strikes and interceptions were often unclear.

2024
January 19 — Rosneft oil depot, Klintsy, Bryansk Oblast.
January 21 — Novatek Ust-Luga complex, Leningrad Oblast. A fire disrupted operations at the Baltic fuel-export terminal and nearby gas-condensate processing complex.
January 25–26 — Tuapse oil refinery, Krasnodar Krai. Fire halted processing/output.
February 3 — Volgograd refinery, Volgograd Oblast.
February 9 — Ilsky refinery, Krasnodar Krai.
March 12 — NORSI / Kstovo refinery, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.
March 12 — Kirishinefteorgsintez (KINEF), Leningrad Oblast. A drone was reportedly downed near the refinery; it is usually counted as an attempted strike rather than confirmed damage.
March 13 — Ryazan refinery, Ryazan Oblast.
March 13 — Novoshakhtinsk refinery, Rostov Oblast.
March 15 — Pervyi Zavod refinery, Kaluga Oblast.
March 16 — Syzran refinery, Samara Oblast.
March 17–18 — Slavyansk-ECO refinery, Krasnodar Krai.
March 23 — Kuibyshev refinery, Samara Oblast.
April 1–2 — Taneco refinery, Tatarstan.
May 1 — Ryazan refinery, repeat strike.
May 9 — Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat complex, Bashkortostan.
May 10 — Pervyi Zavod refinery, Kaluga Oblast, repeat strike.
May 12 — Volgograd refinery, repeat strike.
May 17 — Tuapse refinery, repeat strike; and the Importpischeprom oil-products terminal at Novorossiysk.
May 19–20 — Slavyansk-ECO refinery, repeat strike.
June 6 — Novoshakhtinsk refinery, repeat strike.
June 14 — fuel depot, Voronezh Oblast.
June 18 — oil-storage facilities, Azov/Rostov Oblast.
August 28 — Atlas/Proletarsk oil depot, Kamensky District, Rostov Oblast. A very large tank-farm fire followed.
August 28 — oil depot, Kotelnich, Kirov Oblast.
September 1 — Moscow Oil Refinery, Moscow. Reported fire/damage at the Euro+ processing complex.
The January–June 2024 sequence is particularly well documented in contemporaneous Reuters reporting; it lists strikes on Ust-Luga, Tuapse, Ilsky, NORSI, Ryazan, Novoshakhtinsk, Syzran, Kuibyshev, Taneco, Salavat, Volgograd, Slavyansk, and oil-storage facilities. (swissinfo.ch)

2025
The campaign expanded greatly in 2025. A full event-by-event list is too long to reproduce reliably from open reporting alone, but the following repeat-target chronology is documented in a public register:

February 11 — Saratov refinery.
February 19 — Syzran refinery.
February 24 — Ryazan refinery.
March 3–4 — Ufa refinery complex and Syzran refinery.
August 2 — Ryazan and Novokuibyshevsk refineries.
August 10–15 — Saratov refinery; major August wave also included repeated refinery strikes across western Russia.
August 28 — Kuibyshev refinery.
September 5 — Ryazan refinery.
September 14 and October 4 — Kirishinefteorgsintez/KINEF refinery.
September 18 and 24 — Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat complex.
September 20 — Novokuibyshevsk refinery.
October 1 and December 12 — Yaroslavl/YANOS refinery.
October 6 and November 3 — Tuapse refinery.
October 15 — Ufaneftekhim refinery.
October 23 — Ryazan refinery.
November 11 and 14 — Saratov refinery.
November 15 — Ryazan refinery.
December 5 — Syzran refinery.
This register also records that Ukraine struck the Unecha pumping station on the Druzhba oil-pipeline system in Bryansk Oblast in August 2025. Reuters reporting from 2025 described the late-summer campaign as a major escalation against Russian refining capacity. (necu.org.ua)

2026
January 13 — Caspian Pipeline Consortium-related tankers/facilities.
January 14 and 21 — Afipsky refinery, Krasnodar Krai.
January 21 and February 15/17 — Port of Taman oil-export infrastructure.
February 11 — Volgograd refinery.
February 12 — Ukhta refinery, Komi Republic.
February 17 — Ilsky refinery.
February 23 — Kaleykino Transneft pumping station, Tatarstan.

Man, you're really dumb basically help make my point. I'm against both of these wars. Both are affecting global energy prices.

(09-21-2026 08:35 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 06:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-21-2026 04:10 PM)b2b Wrote:  Are we still paying Ukraine to blow up refineries?

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So are we now going to add 'Ukrainians' to the bevy of baddies like "Democratic crooks and illegal aliens" that are the *major* sourcing of the current high price of oil and oil products?

This is fun, watching everyone try to discount the shutting off of 20% of the worlds oil supply by sparking a special military operation.

I mean, blame anything and everything except to the one guy singularly making the one decision that precipitates to closing the Hormuz..... lolz.

2 things can be true. Trump royally effed up in Iran. I've posted that many times since it became clear there was no real plan. So despite your smartass remark I'm 100% on your side regarding the price of fuel as it pertains to Iran.

Regarding Ukraine, Z has basically leaned he can manipulate the world now.

The issue about the comment made is that is presented as sort of a whadabout.

First, the volumes involving Russian hydrocarbon throughput are a small stepsister to that volume shut off via Hormuz. In short, the only substantial hit has been to Russian gasoline and aviation fuel -- wherein the transportation and export of raw bulk oil is by far the largest component of Russian exports. At its peak, Russian refined products cam to maybe 3% of world exports -- the refinery hits have been shouldered almost exclusively by the Russian domestic market.

In short, Russian *refined* products have been cut by somewhere near 50%. But bulk raw exports remain steady and higher. The strikes have clobbered Russian domestic refined fuel stocks, but the strikes have had negligible effect on raw petroleum feedstock.

Second, the closure of Hormuz is impactful in at least three other component bulk products. For a starter -- helium and sulfur.

33% of world helium production has been standstilled -- a gas which is critical in semiconductor production.

And about 20% of world sulfur traffic has been shuttered, having a ripple on effect on fertilizer production and traffic. If you want big effects of the Ukraine war of world traffic, by far the largest was on fertilizer. Iirc, pre- 'special military operations' by Putin, Ukraine was the #3 fertilizer exporter and Russia #2, the vast majority transiting the Black Sea. Both those supplies dropped to near zero -- but not as a result of Ukrainian strikes, but simply because of the war itself.

As for your original comment, I think it well off point. Russian refined products was never a big component of world exports.

(09-22-2026 06:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  Man, you're really dumb basically help make my point. I'm against both of these wars. Both are affecting global energy prices.

You said that Zelenskyy had "learned" how to manipulate the world. I took that as implying he just started this after the Iran war had started to take advantage. So I provided evidence that makes whatever point your were trying to make, moot. And you think that is dumb?

Russia invaded them in 2022. THAT is what triggered energy prices surges back then. You really want to blame Ukraine for attacking them back?

Further, after the oil prices spiked as a result of the Russian invasion, they eventually stabilized as did gas prices. Gas was down to $3.12 when Biden left office and had further fallen to $2.98 before trumps idiotic war.

Currently gas is at $4.48.

So...yeah...your comment makes little to no sense. Yes, all wars in oil rich areas and attacks on oil infrastructure will spike oil and gas prices. You're also aware of what the Houthi's are doing too, correct? That further adds to the pot, maybe even more than what Ukraine is doing bombing Russia.

If you meant something else entirely, apologies.