(02-19-2026 08:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Meh. They deserve to be pounded flat.

You want to see real nazis? Like the type who ran Auschwitz? Look no further than the mullahs in Tehran.

Don't disagree in principle, but we have seen what happens when the US gets involved in the ME and leaves a power vacuum. An organization on the FTO is currently in charge of Syria. Iran is a lot bigger and has a lot more weapons we do not want to fall in the hands of jihadis posing as rebels against the mullahs.

Blow their nuclear ambitions and ballistic missiles program to hell, but removing the power in county without a replacement solution (that does not involve US boots or giving it to the snakes in Saudi) is a bad idea

(02-19-2026 10:04 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  removing the power in country without a replacement solution (that does not involve US boots or giving it to the snakes in Saudi) is a bad idea

Rest assured the Saudis will never, ever be in charge of Iran.

The Iranian/Persian people would essentially have to be exterminated first, in order for that possibility to even be on the table.

I don't think any of us know the details of the current situation well enough to take a definitive stand either way.

I am generally opposed to regime change in this situation. However, many believe this current regime has disrupted peace in the ME for 47 years, and it's difficult to imagine that a different regime could be any more disruptive.

Right now, it is no secret that the objective of the current regime is total destruction of Israel AND the U.S. That in itself is perhaps enough to justify an attack. They are a threat to our existence.

As one analyst said, there is no way a different regime can be any more of a threat to us.

The firepower brought to bear by the addition of the Gerald R. Ford carrier task force is formidable.

Her Core Escort Ships
Core Ships and Units (2025-2026 Deployments):
Flagship: USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) - Lead ship of the Ford-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
Carrier Air Wing: Carrier Air Wing Eight (CVW-8).
Cruiser: USS Normandy (CG 60) - Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser.
Destroyer Squadron 2 (DESRON 2):
USS Bainbridge (DDG 96)
USS Mahan (DDG 72)
USS Ramage (DDG 61)
USS McFaul (DDG 74)
USS Thomas Hudner (DDG 116)
USS Carney (DDG 64)
USS Roosevelt (DDG 80)
Air Defense: USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81) - Integrated air and missile defense.

(Source: Google AI)

Ford compared to other carrier Lincoln
"While both the Ford and the Abraham Lincoln are 100,000-ton, nuclear-powered supercarriers capable of carrying roughly 60 aircraft to 75 aircraft, they represent different generations of naval design.

The Lincoln is a Nimitz-class carrier commissioned in 1989 and part of a fleet that has supported decades of operations in the Middle East. The Ford is the Navy’s next-generation carrier and the lead ship of its class.

The key difference is efficiency and output.

The Ford was built to generate a higher sustained sortie rate using its electromagnetic launch system, along with a redesigned flight deck and upgraded power systems. In practical terms, both ships bring substantial strike capability — but the Ford is designed to launch and recover aircraft faster over extended operations, giving commanders greater flexibility if tensions escalate."

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-am...ions-surge

Israel assistance would be helpful. At the least, I surmise they will provide intelligence.

I would hope that we have used this time we were given to set up people and groups to quickly take power and prevent a vacuum.
I do not trust that our front line career state department and CIA operatives would be capable of doing so.
It appears that everything they have touched for decades just turns to garbage.

I don't care who or if we set someone up as successors. Would be nice but not imperative.

As long as all nuclear capabilities are completely eliminated, it's impossible that the next batch will be more evil than this one.

(02-20-2026 08:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don't care who or if we set someone up as successors. Would be nice but not imperative.

As long as all nuclear capabilities are completely eliminated, it's impossible that the next batch will be more evil than this one.

That’s basically where I’m at, too.

It’s difficult for outsiders to know what’s really happening inside of Iran right now. But from a far distance, it seems as if the US put a lot of firepower right outside the front door to get everyone’s attention, meanwhile other groups (Israelis, dissident Iranians) are carrying out massive campaign of sabotage/rebellion inside the country. It seems that the ayatollahs simply do not have the strength to fight back effectively.

(02-19-2026 05:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I am not sure of the goal of our potential military action. Is it decapitation? Is it to destroy Iran’s economic lifeline (ie oil)? Is it to encourage a regime change from within? I find war abhorrent and should only be used as a last resort in protection of vital national interests.

The last major operation goal was very clear to me (ie, render nuclear weapons production a major set back).

Regardless, if force must be used I hope for success and pray for minimal casualties.

I am usually wrong, but I think our goal at the moment is to contain Iran from striking outside its borders. We don't want them firing any nukes they do have at Israel or anyone else.

If they don't show signs of attacking Israel, I don't think we do anything more than keep the shipping lanes closed for them and open for others.

(02-20-2026 02:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think any of us know the details of the current situation well enough to take a definitive stand either way.

I am generally opposed to regime change in this situation. However, many believe this current regime has disrupted peace in the ME for 47 years, and it's difficult to imagine that a different regime could be any more disruptive.

Right now, it is no secret that the objective of the current regime is total destruction of Israel AND the U.S. That in itself is perhaps enough to justify an attack. They are a threat to our existence.

As one analyst said, there is no way a different regime can be any more of a threat to us.

I think thats why the elimination of their nuclear and missile programs is probably the primary objective. We can probably do that with an extended air campaign (like the one that got Serbia to back down from thier genocidal campaign in the 1990's). Iran isnt really a significant threat to the US if they dont have nukes or long range missiles. The last thing we want is another N Korea. My guess is the people of Iran would support a less extreme government that offers more freedom and seeks improved relations with the West. The question really is "Will a government that the people actually desire fill the power vacuum in Iran if the current regime falls?" I dont know the answer to that. All I know is I dont really care as much about who's running Iran if they have no nukes or long range missiles.

(02-20-2026 11:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-20-2026 02:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think any of us know the details of the current situation well enough to take a definitive stand either way.

I am generally opposed to regime change in this situation. However, many believe this current regime has disrupted peace in the ME for 47 years, and it's difficult to imagine that a different regime could be any more disruptive.

Right now, it is no secret that the objective of the current regime is total destruction of Israel AND the U.S. That in itself is perhaps enough to justify an attack. They are a threat to our existence.

As one analyst said, there is no way a different regime can be any more of a threat to us.

I think thats why the elimination of their nuclear and missile programs is probably the primary objective. We can probably do that with an extended air campaign (like the one that got Serbia to back down from thier genocidal campaign in the 1990's). Iran isnt really a significant threat to the US if they dont have nukes or long range missiles. The last thing we want is another N Korea. My guess is the people of Iran would support a less extreme government that offers more freedom and seeks improved relations with the West. The question really is "Will a government that the people actually desire fill the power vacuum in Iran if the current regime falls?" I dont know the answer to that. All I know is I dont really care as much about who's running Iran if they have no nukes or long range missiles.

that's been DJT's motive from day one ... I see no reason that isn't the motive for this move...

(02-20-2026 11:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-20-2026 02:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think any of us know the details of the current situation well enough to take a definitive stand either way.

I am generally opposed to regime change in this situation. However, many believe this current regime has disrupted peace in the ME for 47 years, and it's difficult to imagine that a different regime could be any more disruptive.

Right now, it is no secret that the objective of the current regime is total destruction of Israel AND the U.S. That in itself is perhaps enough to justify an attack. They are a threat to our existence.

As one analyst said, there is no way a different regime can be any more of a threat to us.

I think thats why the elimination of their nuclear and missile programs is probably the primary objective. We can probably do that with an extended air campaign (like the one that got Serbia to back down from thier genocidal campaign in the 1990's). Iran isnt really a significant threat to the US if they dont have nukes or long range missiles. The last thing we want is another N Korea. My guess is the people of Iran would support a less extreme government that offers more freedom and seeks improved relations with the West. The question really is "Will a government that the people actually desire fill the power vacuum in Iran if the current regime falls?" I dont know the answer to that. All I know is I dont really care as much about who's running Iran if they have no nukes or long range missiles.

That's where I am. I'd rather not have the Ayatollah in command, but I don't want us deciding that. I just want to make sure their nuke capability is gone.

It would have been a lot easier before Obama unfroze their money. What was it? 6 billion? 60 billion? It was a lot and it wasn't spent on the Iranian people.

$6B, I think.

The Iranian currency has completely collapsed.

1.64 million Iranian Rials is worth 1 US dollar today.

As long as Israel has a total puppet in the White House, there is no amount of money we won’t borrow to use against Iran lol.

(02-21-2026 04:58 PM)Todor Wrote:  As long as Israel has a total puppet in the White House, there is no amount of money we won’t borrow to use against Iran lol.

So is he an Israeli puppet or a Nazi supporting Nazis in Ukraine? Can't y'all keep your stories straight?

(02-21-2026 04:58 PM)Todor Wrote:  As long as Israel has a total puppet in the White House, there is no amount of money we won’t borrow to use against Iran lol.

“We” won’t borrow? What’s Russia got to do with this you POS?

(02-21-2026 04:58 PM)Todor Wrote:  As long as Israel has a total puppet in the White House, there is no amount of money we won’t borrow to use against Iran lol.

Just watched your Russian heroes scatter like crows. No more Musk Star Link and the Russian idiots are sending the information to the Ukrainians

So reminds me of WW1 when the Russians were sending information to Germans defining their military plans and subsequently got destroyed on the battlefield

Over 100 kilometers of land that took over year to capture lost in an afternoon

Those techno savvy Russians are lost in the seventies

BTW I hope those Israelis dance in your sleep

Third World Russians begging Cubans to come fight for them because N Koreans were a disaster and a disgrace

Over 1.2 MILLION RUSSIAN SOLDIERS lost for a Bread truck in Kiev

You are as pathetic as Putin

Weak and pathetic is a compliment to this military endeavor

I truly believe only Trump still believes the Russian Army is competent

Better not wake up the Japanese or Germans are you will find Russia back in the Stone Age.

We are going to attack. I just can't see Trump the businessman spending all the money required to move all these assets into place as a show of force. By Friday, Iran's military will be crippled.

(02-21-2026 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-21-2026 04:58 PM)Todor Wrote:  As long as Israel has a total puppet in the White House, there is no amount of money we won’t borrow to use against Iran lol.

So is he an Israeli puppet or a Nazi supporting Nazis in Ukraine? Can't y'all keep your stories straight?

He’s definitely not supporting Ukraine. He’s mocked them, openly insulted their president, and cut their aid.

Trump is a Putin man all the way. Everyone can see it.

Trump will $hit on Ukraine over and over, just like the cesspool deserves.