" How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology."

It "was" political ideology and since you're so puzzled why young people are screwed up in their thinking you have your voice and others of your ilk who are always defending the crazy and misguided with your Leftists views. You're like the Left Stream Media when they had to admit that Biden was a sick man and they started going against him.

Your posts don't do anything but divide people and fill them with falsehoods...like the LSM. God is watching you, believe me. As a matter of fact there's various verses in the Bible about lies and bearing false witness. Watch your back, Mensa, someone is watching from above. If you don't want to listen to sage advice then prepare yourself for your afterlife.

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:17 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:09 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  22 year old Utah State engineering student. How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology. Utah State is an AG school in a very conservative state, its not some bastion of liberal ideology. Reviewing some of the social media links on Threads, his existence seemed very normal.

I feel terrible for his parents.

I feel terrible for Charlie Kirk and his family.

I also feel bad for people who don’t recognize the damage that liberal narratives project on people gullible enough to believe those narratives.

Additionally I feel bad for the victims of the selective racism of the left and the fact that they are arrogant enough to play the race card but choose to ignore the race who, percentage wise, is inflicting the most crime on the most people in this country.

I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

While I agree with some of these points you make in this post, you’ve proven to be as tone deaf as tom.

(09-12-2025 09:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Gov confirmed the reported sayings were carved on the casings. He mentioned "Catch fascists" specifically.

They do not anticipate any further arrests, but the investigation is ongoing.

Not answering a number of questions.

Gun was found earlier, but didn't give more details.

What they said about the family member that stated a message on Discord said to leave the gun to be picked up or something like that concerned me to think there is at least one other person involved. Again, a lot of Oswald vibes from this event. Stated he changed clothes on the roof? Was there a spotter?

Gov said the shooter changed his clothing on the roof, then changed back some time later. Said he came in his own car and parked it on campus.

Robinson was not a student at UVU. Robinson reached out to a family friend and confessed, and the friend contacted Robinson's father. They live about 4 1/2 hours south of Orem.

Said there will be more info released after the charging docs are filed within 3 days.

Gov was a waste of words.

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

(09-12-2025 09:38 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Gov confirmed the reported sayings were carved on the casings. He mentioned "Catch fascists" specifically.

They do not anticipate any further arrests, but the investigation is ongoing.

Not answering a number of questions.

Gun was found earlier, but didn't give more details.

What they said about the friend that stated a message on Discord said to leave the gun to be picked up or something like that concerned me to think there is at least one other person involved. Again, a lot of Oswald vibes from this event. Stated he changed clothes on the roof? Was there a spotter?

Gov said there was no evidence that anyone else was involved. I didn't get the same vibes you did.

(09-12-2025 09:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

Social media is a huge problem, you are correct there, but how can you not recognize the that the majority of this violence comes overwhelmingly from one side? It is irrefutably a liberal in the majority of these cases. So why do liberal youths (and adults) appear to be driven to violence far more often than conservatives by social media influence?

Because its not.
Dylann Roof was no liberal.
The kid in Buffalo who killed 10 black people at a supermarket was no liberal. The guy who torched Josh Shapiro’s home was no liberal. The group who tried to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer were not liberals. The guy who murdered the MN house speaker was not a liberal. There are plenty of examples of political extremism on the right; yet the root cause is usually the easy access to hate speech; and that’s what needs to be assessed.

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much.

(09-12-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

Then you're on the side of sin, mental illness and body mutilation, and lawlessness. Full stop.

(09-12-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

Nobody has an irrational fear of queers, children in schools, especially girls that play sports SHOULD have a RATIONAL fear of Trans people, because they are proven to be dangerous to them, and legal Immigrant families have nothing to fear regarding deportation So, you are delusional. Because none of what you stand for exists in this country.

(09-12-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

You don't get that benefit of the doubt here, CLT.

Following last year's Trump reelection, I went to the local "Hands Off" rally to see what it was about. As I was standing about, I noticed a young, pretty girl with a very nice dog standing behind me. She was wearing a "Free Luigi" t-shirt. Clearly, outward attractiveness doesn't translate to inward attractiveness.

I was bothered enough to distance myself from her. Then I was even more disturbed that no one else seemed bothered by her offensive message. Enough so that I left the rally.

That is where you find yourself now, CLT. You are aligning with hateful people. Whether you admit it or not, it is rubbing off.

(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said "when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much."

That wasn't me saying it. That was the governor of Utah, quoting Charlie. He was talking too fast for me to punctuate it more clearly.

You conveniently ignored some of the words, such as "Charlie said..." And I added quotation marks to make that more clear than just "Charlie said" (which should have been enough).

(09-12-2025 09:44 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

Nobody has an irrational fear of queers, children in schools, especially girls that play sports SHOULD have a RATIONAL fear of Trans people, because they are proven to be dangerous to them, and legal Immigrant families have nothing to fear regarding deportation So, you are delusional. Because none of what you stand for exists in this country.

This. All of it.

(09-12-2025 09:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much.

That wasn't me saying it. That was the governor of Utah, quoting Charlie. He was talking too fast for me to type every word.

Next time, add quote marks.

Also, I get the feeling you were a supporter of Kirk's "teachings," right? So you don't agree with that part of it?

(09-12-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

The guy is definitely on the Left and was made "angry" by what he hears and reads from the Left. Nothing has changed. As the Governor has said, "No riots, no looting, but instead prayers". You are on the wrong side; the side of anger and hate. Face it.

I’m only on the side of hate if you mean hating homophobia, transphobia and deporting immigrant families.

Too bad your side continues to try to use those labels on people who don't actually fit the profile but have a different opinion. Also no one is trying to deport legal immigrants but yes those who cross illegally should be deported. Period.

Utah has the firing squad! Broadcast this libtard prick’s execution on TV. Hell, put it on PPV and give the proceeds to Charlie Kirk’s family.

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

Charlie Kirk was one guy on social media who connected with the demographic you are describing and challenged them to be better....to talk and debate instead of resort to violence.

Assassinating him proves to that demographic nothing more except to fan the flames and excalate them away from debate and dialouge

(09-12-2025 09:09 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  22 year old Utah State engineering student. How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology. Utah State is an AG school in a very conservative state, its not some bastion of liberal ideology. Reviewing some of the social media links on Threads, his existence seemed very normal.

I feel terrible for his parents.

I can't imagine the agony that his parents are going through. I'm praying for them.

(09-12-2025 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much.

That wasn't me saying it. That was the governor of Utah, quoting Charlie. He was talking too fast for me to type every word.

Next time, add quote marks.

Also, I get the feeling you were a supporter of Kirk's "teachings," right? So you don't agree with that part of it?

Kiss my butt. You couldn't understand that the words after "Charlie said" would be words from Charlie?

Next time, ask me if you don't understand, rather than misinterpreting me.

I never heard those words before I typed them. All I was trying to do was transcribe the presser as best as possible.

And as usual, you get stuff wrong. I'm not a supporter of Kirk, other than he's not a Dem whom I happen to disagree with politically. I know very little about him, actually, other than he talks to young people. Not my crowd, lol.

As for the quote, I haven't given it a single thought. After I think about it, I might get back to you, but giving me orders usually isn't the smartest way to get me to answer you.