(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

it would be a good start.

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

You not understanding the modifier “or” is just further evidence of your intellectual deficiency.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/or

You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

“A federal judge in Maryland has ordered the Trump administration to facilitate the return of a 20-year-old Venezuelan man deported to El Salvador, whose removal violated a previous court settlement, according to an order issued on Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Stephanie Gallagher, a Trump appointee, also ordered the government not to remove other individuals covered by the settlement.

The class action case from 2019 was filed on behalf of individuals who entered the U.S. as unaccompanied minors and later sought asylum.

MORE: El Salvador prison holding alleged Venezuelan gang members has been criticized for alleged abuses
The group sued the government to be able to have their asylum applications adjudicated while they remained in the United States. The parties settled in 2024.

Attorneys for the plaintiffs say the Trump administration, in breach of the settlement agreement, removed one of the class members -- referred to using the pseudonym "Cristian" in court records -- to El Salvador on March 15 when it deported three planeloads of alleged migrant gang members to the CECOT mega-prison there.”


So the score on this one :
1. Asylum seeker under Trump not Biden
2. Incarcerated in a foreign concentration camp without a trial at Trumps behest. He isn’t el Salvadoran.
3. Ordered to facilitate return by a Trump appointed judge.

(04-24-2025 12:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

"or". Not "and". Big difference.

The idea that you think I don't understand that word simply reflects your ignorance, not mine.

If you weren't trying to infer the more dramatic definition, you wouldn't use the term in the first place.

Id use the term for a place of mass incarceration -- absolutely. Your the dude that is flying off the handle at *your* perception of it. And that fact that the El Salvador concentration camp historically houses groups that are simply rounded up and incarcerated with no due process simply adds to that.

Im not the ignorant fk that flies off the handle at the use of the word -- especially when it meets the definition.

Again -- "and" vs "or". Significant difference.

Again -- you are the guy flipping out at the use of the word and invoking the other aspects, not I, nor Elvis. Lolz.

And yes, it is a loaded term -- no matter which prong is used. And it is accurate in the first prong. Live with it, buttercup.

"ignorant fk"

"flying off the handle"

"flipping out"

"buttercup"

Do you use that language in court with the judge or the other attorneys? I bet you think it.

I typically dont think it in those situations. Most of the above arent 'read and follow blindly' types.

And on top of it -- they understand the difference between 'or' and 'and'.

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

You not understanding the modifier “or” is just further evidence of your intellectual deficiency.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/or

You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Federal Judge Orders Trump Administration to Return ANOTHER Criminal Illegal Alien Being Held in El Salvador – References MS-13 Gangster Abrego Garcia in Her Ruling

Quote:A Maryland judge has usurped President Trump’s executive authority to keep dangerous illegal aliens out of America.

As ABC News reported, U.S. District Court Judge Stephanie Gallagher last night ordered the Trump administration to facilitate the return of a 20-year-old Venezuelan man deported to El Salvador.

The man, identified by the pseudonym “Cristian” in court records, is currently being held in El Salvador’s infamous CECOT mega-prison.

Gallagher, a Trump appointee, claimed </>in her ruling that the man’s removal violated a previous court settlement. The settlement in question is from a case filed in 2019 on behalf of illegal aliens who entered the U.S. as ‘unaccompanied minors’ and later sought asylum.

In that case, the group sued the U.S. government to have their asylum applications adjudicated while they remained in America. It was settled in 2024.

Judge Gallagher further instructed the administration not to remove other people covered by the settlement. She called the deportation a “breach of contract.”

Gallagher then went on to reference MS-13 gangster Kilmar Abrego Garcia in her ruling.

“Like Judge [Paula] Xinis in the Abrego Garcia matter, this court will order Defendants to facilitate Cristian’s return to the United States so that he can receive the process he was entitled to under the parties’ binding Settlement Agreement,” Gallagher wrote in part.

The Trump administration says that Gallagher is wrong and Cristian’s removal did not violate the settlement because he was designated under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). According to the administration, this resulted in Cristian ceasing to be a member of the settlement.

Cristian was arrested in Texas for possession of cocaine back in January, which is a felony in the state. He was then removed from America under the AEA.

“On January 6, 2025, [“Cristian”] was convicted in the 482nd District Court at Harris County, Texas for the offense of possession of cocaine, a Texas state jail felony,” said Robert Cerna, the Acting Field Office Director for Enforcement and Removal Operations.

On March 15, 2025, [“Cristian”] was removed under the Alien Enemies Act, 50 U.S.C. Ch. 3, pursuant to Presidential Proclamation 10,903, as a Venezuelan citizen 14 years of age or older who is a member of TdA,” Cerna added.

(04-24-2025 12:09 PM)b2b Wrote:  

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It doesn't...or at least it shouldn't matter...what this guy did or didn't do. THE issue here is that we have a set of laws. We have courts. We have systems. We have processes. We have precedence. We have a Constitution.

When you start cutting out any of those parts, our experiment is a failure.

The fact that you guys can't see any of this is quite disturbing.

(04-24-2025 12:30 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 10:44 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 09:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm not quite that militant about it, lol, but certainly this is not a run of the mill due process situation.

Our last president intentionally let in maybe 20M+ illegal aliens without any process or vetting whatsoever, so to think they now all deserve due process on the way out is way beyond the pale.

Where was OUR due process when they came streaming in?

Actually, I think we should deport Biden, all his Cabinet members, all the Dem Congress critters who silently endorsed this, and anyone else who perpetuated this travesty on the US.

The more and more you blather the more and more Im convinced that you have no idea what due process is or entails, aside from some rhetorical butthurt rant basis.

So, to be clear you defend the Biden administration's mass parole program as being both legal and acceptable?

Could you be more specific on which program or programs you are referring to ?

There are numerous programs that are labeled 'illegal' from various sources -- some of those allegations hold more water than others.

And I applaud your question to include both 'legal' and 'acceptable'.

Since I dont know exactly what program or programs you are referring to, I really cannot answer the question.

I will say, and have said, that the Biden policies (whether legal, or illegal) resulted in horrendous outcome at the border, and a horrendous influx of illegal aliens.

Ill be happy to go into greater depth of legality of any such program (that is if I know of the particulars of that program sufficiently) if you can tell me the specific one or ones. Iirc, there were multiple Biden programs that loosened the amnesty and parole aspects -- and some having a better basis in being 'acceptable' than others, from what I know of them. I have only looked at a few in the legal aspect.

You answered my question already. It doesn't matter which specific program it was. Because we paroled in literally anyone captured at the border.

Quote:Going back to the question and part of your highlighted response above and let's assume for a moment there's a subset that entered illegally, the administration's response to that illegal entry itself was illegal (that you've acknowledged),

First, I dont think I have acknowledged that, sir.

Here is my precise comment, ThreeIf : "There are numerous programs that are labeled 'illegal' from various sources -- some of those allegations hold more water than others."

Quote:then why now should we have to follow standard removal protocols when nothing was standard up and to that point?

Even if the parole was granted improperly, parole in the immigration sense means official permission granted by the Secretary of Homeland Security to allow a non-citizen to enter, remain, or return to the United States, even if they are otherwise inadmissible, but without being formally admitted.

Fine, revoke their parole. That reverts them to being subject to removal actions. Do the removal actions.

Here is a clearer analogy -- parole means effectively having a DA pass on a case. It doesnt it 'clears you' of the case against you. It puts you into a stasis, you are currently free of prison, but can be charged at any time.

*That* is what immigration parole means.

Lets say the DA illegally passed on the case to charge you. The corrective action is to remove that current free pass, and subject you to charges. And those charges mean you have the ability to fight them with due process concerns.

The corrective action *isnt* to make a determination on your case, swoop in, and jail you with a sentence with no access to due process in the charging and trial.

Wash, rinse, repeat for your 'illegal parole (which may or may not have happened) leads to your automatic out of the country solution.'

The proper course if the act of parole is an illegal act, is to remove the parole, and *then* subject them to the process that they would have received otherwise.

And legally or illegally granted, the DHS has a large discretion to revoke the parole. And the result is subjecting the ex-parolees to deportation proceedings. Not automatic expulsion.

(04-24-2025 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It doesn't...or at least it shouldn't matter...what this guy did or didn't do. THE issue here is that we have a set of laws. We have courts. We have systems. We have processes. We have precedence. We have a Constitution.

When you start cutting out any of those parts, our experiment is a failure.

The fact that you guys can't see any of this is quite disturbing.

I have balls ... how big are yours ... trust me, we dgaf in any version of 'lawfare', cummy tummy...

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

You not understanding the modifier “or” is just further evidence of your intellectual deficiency.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/or

You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Then I will not use that term with respect to AG. Happy?

The particular sub-thread here is people dont like CECOT being referred to as a concentration camp, regardless of whether KAG is there or not.

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. Nobody is mass executing anybody, you drama queens.

You not understanding the modifier “or” is just further evidence of your intellectual deficiency.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/or

You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

And he has been out about 10 days now, more or less. Dude even has his own private room, for personal safety reasons.

Guess Tanq and the Bois missed that memo. I just thought it was funny that they kept ranting about CECOT. I wasn't going to tell them, lol.

(04-24-2025 12:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You not understanding the modifier “or” is just further evidence of your intellectual deficiency.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/or

You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Then I will not use that term with respect to AG. Happy?

The particular sub-thread here is people dont like CECOT being referred to as a concentration camp, regardless of whether KAG is there or not.

That doesn't change the fact that you and the others thought he was still in there.

(04-24-2025 01:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Then I will not use that term with respect to AG. Happy?

The particular sub-thread here is people dont like CECOT being referred to as a concentration camp, regardless of whether KAG is there or not.

That doesn't change the fact that you and the others thought he was still in there.

The argument that it’s a concentration camp is about as strong as no one ever gets out.

(04-24-2025 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It doesn't...or at least it shouldn't matter...what this guy did or didn't do. THE issue here is that we have a set of laws. We have courts. We have systems. We have processes. We have precedence. We have a Constitution.

When you start cutting out any of those parts, our experiment is a failure.

The fact that you guys can't see any of this is quite disturbing.

Courts have no constitutional authority to compel executive branch to engage in foreign affairs. The word facilitate means to make something easier or smoother, like helping a process or action happen. It isn’t telling someone what to do or giving orders which the courts can’t do. It’s more about creating the right conditions or providing support to help things flow

(04-24-2025 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It doesn't...or at least it shouldn't matter...what this guy did or didn't do. THE issue here is that we have a set of laws. We have courts. We have systems. We have processes. We have precedence. We have a Constitution.

When you start cutting out any of those parts, our experiment is a failure.

The fact that you guys can't see any of this is quite disturbing.

The fact you didn't see it happening much more frequently and significantly more damaging ways in the previous four years is not only disturbing, it's quite damning and hypocritical.

The difference is everything they did was covered up by the media, swept under the rug, etc whereas any veer across the dotted line now - the world is coming to an end. But if you didn't notice it, the majority of the American people did.

(04-24-2025 01:14 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 01:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.


Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Then I will not use that term with respect to AG. Happy?

The particular sub-thread here is people dont like CECOT being referred to as a concentration camp, regardless of whether KAG is there or not.

That doesn't change the fact that you and the others thought he was still in there.

The argument that it’s a concentration camp is about as strong as no one ever gets out.

Should have just shot him and dumped him in the river.

Or sent him to Guinea.

(04-24-2025 01:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:57 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:39 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 12:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-24-2025 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You know damn well that the term infers the German camps.

Not automatically. Again -- the US concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The US concentration camps in the Philippines in the Spanish American war. British concentration camps in the Boer war.

Canadian concentration camps of various 'aliens' in WW1. French concentration camps of Arabs during the French conquest of Algeria and during the Algerian war of independence.

Numerous Japanese concentration camps of Westerners in WW2.

CECOT holds up to 40k prisoners. Currently it holds 24k. Many without due process concerns. Bunked in cells 40 at swath. No ability to be outdoors. Beatings are reported. Pretty much a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions. Concentration camp seems spot on.

Quote: Otherwise, why use the term to stir things up?

Because it's a mass incarceration facility, with no due process, whose leader says no one *ever* gets out, and crowded, horrendous conditions.

That's an interesting take considering KAG is no longer at CECOT.

Then I will not use that term with respect to AG. Happy?

The particular sub-thread here is people dont like CECOT being referred to as a concentration camp, regardless of whether KAG is there or not.

That doesn't change the fact that you and the others thought he was still in there.

Responding you you doing the full monty rant out how 'concentration camp' isnt the right term to use for CECOT. Considering your shortcoming with 'and' and 'or', I can surmise how you might comprehend that that the above is germane the slightest.