(04-24-2025 12:30 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: (04-24-2025 11:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: (04-24-2025 11:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: (04-24-2025 10:44 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: (04-24-2025 09:08 AM)TripleA Wrote: I'm not quite that militant about it, lol, but certainly this is not a run of the mill due process situation.
Our last president intentionally let in maybe 20M+ illegal aliens without any process or vetting whatsoever, so to think they now all deserve due process on the way out is way beyond the pale.
Where was OUR due process when they came streaming in?
Actually, I think we should deport Biden, all his Cabinet members, all the Dem Congress critters who silently endorsed this, and anyone else who perpetuated this travesty on the US.
The more and more you blather the more and more Im convinced that you have no idea what due process is or entails, aside from some rhetorical butthurt rant basis.
So, to be clear you defend the Biden administration's mass parole program as being both legal and acceptable?
Could you be more specific on which program or programs you are referring to ?
There are numerous programs that are labeled 'illegal' from various sources -- some of those allegations hold more water than others.
And I applaud your question to include both 'legal' and 'acceptable'.
Since I dont know exactly what program or programs you are referring to, I really cannot answer the question.
I will say, and have said, that the Biden policies (whether legal, or illegal) resulted in horrendous outcome at the border, and a horrendous influx of illegal aliens.
Ill be happy to go into greater depth of legality of any such program (that is if I know of the particulars of that program sufficiently) if you can tell me the specific one or ones. Iirc, there were multiple Biden programs that loosened the amnesty and parole aspects -- and some having a better basis in being 'acceptable' than others, from what I know of them. I have only looked at a few in the legal aspect.
You answered my question already. It doesn't matter which specific program it was. Because we paroled in literally anyone captured at the border.
Quote:Going back to the question and part of your highlighted response above and let's assume for a moment there's a subset that entered illegally, the administration's response to that illegal entry itself was illegal (that you've acknowledged),
First, I dont think I have acknowledged that, sir.
Here is my precise comment, ThreeIf : "There are numerous programs that are labeled 'illegal' from various sources -- some of those allegations hold more water than others."
Quote:then why now should we have to follow standard removal protocols when nothing was standard up and to that point?
Even if the parole was granted improperly, parole in the immigration sense means official permission granted by the Secretary of Homeland Security to allow a non-citizen to enter, remain, or return to the United States, even if they are otherwise inadmissible, but without being formally admitted.
Fine, revoke their parole. That reverts them to being subject to removal actions. Do the removal actions.
Here is a clearer analogy -- parole means effectively having a DA pass on a case. It doesnt it 'clears you' of the case against you. It puts you into a stasis, you are currently free of prison, but can be charged at any time.
*That* is what immigration parole means.
Lets say the DA illegally passed on the case to charge you. The corrective action is to remove that current free pass, and subject you to charges. And those charges mean you have the ability to fight them with due process concerns.
The corrective action *isnt* to make a determination on your case, swoop in, and jail you with a sentence with no access to due process in the charging and trial.
Wash, rinse, repeat for your 'illegal parole (which may or may not have happened) leads to your automatic out of the country solution.'
The proper course if the act of parole is an illegal act, is to remove the parole, and *then* subject them to the process that they would have received otherwise.
And legally or illegally granted, the DHS has a large discretion to revoke the parole. And the result is subjecting the ex-parolees to deportation proceedings. Not automatic expulsion.