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Not too far back I had a go around with tubby where he insinuated that I had no grasp of the bigger picture regarding the effects of these tariffs (among other things).

Part of that was my stating/acknowledging that there will absolutely be short term pains, AND down the road prices may still be a little higher but the money would stay here in our country... tubby stuck to the higher price thing.

A few posts above all but drops the mic on this, we are paying up for other countries to use what amounts to slave labor to way too much of the stuff we buy.

I don't know about most of you here but I am willing to bet that you (like me) are willing to pay a higher cost KNOWING you are supporting American labor and products....

THAT IS THE BIGGER PICTURE!
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(04-02-2025 08:58 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  When the foreigners stop buying our debt, we are done. It is that simple, and you aren't going to hear that from whom you get your "news". You Lefties don't even know that's how it works.

You are right.

Part of the reason they have been buying our debt is because they wanted to keep their tariffs down. If they stop buying the debt now we'll be in a world of hurt.
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No matter what happens...good or bad ...we can count on the tds types to view it through a lens of gloom
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(04-02-2025 09:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 08:58 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  When the foreigners stop buying our debt, we are done. It is that simple, and you aren't going to hear that from whom you get your "news". You Lefties don't even know that's how it works.

You are right.

Part of the reason they have been buying our debt is because they wanted to keep their tariffs down. If they stop buying the debt now we'll be in a world of hurt.


Or maybe we get our f-ing finances in check so we don't need more debt?

You know, like regular folk have to do.


Before our Economist expert chimes in, I know that is not how this all works, but I think you get the point.
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(04-02-2025 09:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 09:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 08:58 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  When the foreigners stop buying our debt, we are done. It is that simple, and you aren't going to hear that from whom you get your "news". You Lefties don't even know that's how it works.

You are right.

Part of the reason they have been buying our debt is because they wanted to keep their tariffs down. If they stop buying the debt now we'll be in a world of hurt.


Or maybe we get our f-ing finances in check so we don't need more debt?

You know, like regular folk have to do.


Before our Economist expert chimes in, I know that is not how this all works, but I think you get the point.

I'm not disagreeing at all... That being said, we won't have the full money to pay off the debt for years, likely decades. We will need to refinance the debt many times, which will require people to continue to buy the tbills. I do worry about alienating foreign investment and causing another fiscal crisis.
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How Trump’s Tariffs Are Fueling U.S. Jobs, Manufacturing, and Tax Relief — Despite Democrat Outrage


Quote:Democrats have criticized President Trump’s tariffs, arguing that they lead to price increases that disadvantage American workers. While tariffs can contribute to higher prices, they also offer benefits to American workers.

Firstly, revenue generated from tariffs contributes to the government’s operating fund, potentially offsetting expenses that would otherwise be covered by income taxes. This additional revenue has opened discussions about tax relief measures, such as removing income tax from overtime pay or tips.

Moreover, tariffs serve to encourage domestic manufacturing and attract foreign direct investment (FDI).

Foreign companies aiming to maintain access to the U.S. market may choose to establish manufacturing facilities within the United States to circumvent import tariffs.

For instance, Hyundai Motor Group announced a $21 billion investment in U.S. operations, including a new $5.8 billion steel plant in Louisiana, to avoid potential tariffs and bolster its American manufacturing presence.

Similarly, Taiwanese chipmaker TSMC is set to invest $100 billion in a U.S.-based semiconductor plant.

Tariffs can reduce the need for subsidies by leveling the playing field for American producers competing against heavily subsidized foreign imports. A good example is agriculture.

The media criticized President Trump for placing a 25% tariff on Canadian food imports, claiming it would raise grocery prices and hurt American families. But the reality is more complex, and the tariffs make sense in context.

The United States is food-independent and typically a net exporter of agricultural products—it produces more food than it consumes and doesn’t rely on imports to feed its population.

Still, in 2023, the U.S. imported $40.5 billion worth of agricultural goods from Canada, about 20.6% of total agricultural imports. These imports aren’t driven by necessity but by factors like seasonality, economic efficiency, and consumer demand.

Some products—like fruits, vegetables, and certain animal goods—are simply cheaper to import due to Canada’s climate, harvest cycles, or subsidies. The two countries also have deeply integrated food supply chains, with items often crossing the border multiple times for processing.

While these imports provide variety and affordability, they also undermine American farmers—who already receive tens of billions in subsidies each year. In 2023 alone, agricultural subsidies totaled $10.97 billion.

Programs like the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) pay farmers to take land out of production for environmental reasons, but have been criticized for reducing the total food supply.

On top of that, the American Relief Act of 2025 added another $31 billion in aid to farmers and ranchers.

Democrats are fond of isolating facts when it suits them—especially when it paints President Trump’s policies in a negative light. When it comes to tariffs, they focus only on the short-term price increases and ignore the broader economic goals.

Yes, tariffs can raise prices on certain goods, but they also create jobs, generate government revenue, and reduce the need for taxes and subsidies.

Tariffs on agricultural imports—like those from Canada—help ensure American-grown food reaches consumers instead of being destroyed or left unharvested.

That means less waste, less need for subsidies, and more support for American workers and producers.

A perfect example of how the media twists Trump’s words is his comment on the 25% tariff imposed on imported automobiles and parts.

He was quoted as saying he didn’t care if prices went up, but the full transcript shows he meant that the benefits of higher prices—like supporting the U.S. automotive industry—outweigh the drawbacks.

Yes, imported cars may cost more, but that encourages consumers to buy American-made vehicles, which strengthens our industrial base, creates good-paying jobs for American workers, and reduces the need for government subsidies.

The U.S. government already provides substantial support to the automotive sector through subsidies, tax incentives, and low-interest loans.

Since 2000, Ford and General Motors have each received over $7 billion in federal subsidies.

Programs like the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan Program have issued billions—$5.9 billion to Ford and $1.6 billion to Nissan—to develop fuel-efficient vehicles.

Federal tax credits for electric vehicles (EVs), ranging from $2,500 to $7,500 per vehicle, totaled about $725 million in 2014 alone.

The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 expanded this support, and by 2024, more than $2 billion had been issued in point-of-sale EV tax rebates.

State and local governments add even more through tax breaks and incentives aimed at attracting and retaining automotive manufacturers.

While it’s hard to pin down an exact annual total, it’s clear the U.S. pours billions into sustaining and modernizing its automotive industry—an industry that tariffs could help support, reducing the need to transfer taxpayer money to automotive companies.

Furthermore, the revenue generated from these tariffs contributes to the government’s operating funds, potentially offsetting expenses that would otherwise be covered by income taxes.

This additional revenue opens discussions about tax relief measures, such as reducing income taxes or decreasing the need for subsidies in various industries.

In summary, while the immediate effect of tariffs includes price increases, the broader strategy aims to bolster domestic industries, create jobs, and strengthen the overall economy.

Evaluating these policies requires a comprehensive analysis that considers both short-term impacts and long-term benefits.





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(04-02-2025 08:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 06:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I find it funny to see an online ad from Canada saying Tariffs are extra taxes on the American citizen..

So what are the Canadian tariffs?

Destruction of their way of life

This country becomes the UK without manufacturing. The UK closed its last steel manufacturing plant last week. Fom the sun never sets to cant make steel.

Wallstreet sold manufacturing to foriegn countries with slaves. Our big conscience coubtry that spends billions to see people die gave zero shites.

Trump is saving America

Suck it up buttercups

Post of the month. Now libs want to prioritize Wall Street just to stick it to the Orange Man. Hypocrites.
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Ford this morning



Ford literally 2 hours later


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(04-02-2025 06:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Gas jumped from $2.56 to $3.15/gal today. The panic is absolutely insane.

Ours went up a nickel to $2.79. Fifteen cents over the price on inauguration day. No panic here yet.

$3.15 seems a bit out of line.

Not if you have a clue how any of this works.

Refiners are scaling down production of winter blend gasoline and preparing for summer blend which usually begins around May 1st. Summer blend is more expensive. Additionally, the global price of oil increased $2.12 a barrel on Monday and is up $2.44/barrel the last month. This all adds up to the increases you're seeing...or will see shortly. Plus, increased demand for travel as the weather improves.

Or...you could blame trump. 03-zzz

Gee, another thing you are an expert on.

A jump from $2.56 to $3.15 is a bit out of line from increases elsewhere.

Sorry that went over your head.
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(04-02-2025 10:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 06:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Gas jumped from $2.56 to $3.15/gal today. The panic is absolutely insane.

Ours went up a nickel to $2.79. Fifteen cents over the price on inauguration day. No panic here yet.

$3.15 seems a bit out of line.

Not if you have a clue how any of this works.

Refiners are scaling down production of winter blend gasoline and preparing for summer blend which usually begins around May 1st. Summer blend is more expensive. Additionally, the global price of oil increased $2.12 a barrel on Monday and is up $2.44/barrel the last month. This all adds up to the increases you're seeing...or will see shortly. Plus, increased demand for travel as the weather improves.

Or...you could blame trump. 03-zzz

Gee, another thing you are an expert on.

A jump from $2.56 to $3.15 is a bit out of line from increases elsewhere.

Sorry that went over your head.

It didn't go over my head, you just don't know how to convey your thoughts apparently.

If you wanted to avoid confusion, you should have said "$.59 seems out of line."

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(04-02-2025 10:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Ford this morning



Ford literally 2 hours later


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What exactly don't you understand? He clearly says if the US drops ALL tariffs on Canada they will drop all theirs off the US.

And just to reiterate, the current trade deal with Canada is the deal trump setup to replace NAFTA.
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(04-02-2025 10:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Ford this morning



Ford literally 2 hours later


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I cant stop laughing at people that feared Canada on any level
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American Dream isn’t all about getting cheap merchandise
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(04-02-2025 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 10:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Ford this morning



Ford literally 2 hours later


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What exactly don't you understand? He clearly says if the US drops ALL tariffs on Canada they will drop all theirs off the US.

And just to reiterate, the current trade deal with Canada is the deal trump setup to replace NAFTA.

The bolded part is coincidentally exactly what President Trump meant by "reciprocal tariffs". His goal all along.
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(04-02-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 10:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 06:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:12 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Gas jumped from $2.56 to $3.15/gal today. The panic is absolutely insane.

Ours went up a nickel to $2.79. Fifteen cents over the price on inauguration day. No panic here yet.

$3.15 seems a bit out of line.

Not if you have a clue how any of this works.

Refiners are scaling down production of winter blend gasoline and preparing for summer blend which usually begins around May 1st. Summer blend is more expensive. Additionally, the global price of oil increased $2.12 a barrel on Monday and is up $2.44/barrel the last month. This all adds up to the increases you're seeing...or will see shortly. Plus, increased demand for travel as the weather improves.

Or...you could blame trump. 03-zzz

Gee, another thing you are an expert on.

A jump from $2.56 to $3.15 is a bit out of line from increases elsewhere.

Sorry that went over your head.

It didn't go over my head, you just don't know how to convey your thoughts apparently.

If you wanted to avoid confusion, you should have said "$.59 seems out of line."

07-coffee3

Maybe your comprehension skills suck. Nobody else apparently had an issue.

Let's review. Dude said his price went up from $2.56 to $3.15. I then immediately said my price went up a nickel, right before I said $3.15 (from his stated price of $2.56) seems a bit out of line. AS AN INCREASE from $2.56, which is the crux of what we were discussing.

Rather than assuming your incorrect translation that I was the dumb***, you could have asked what I meant.
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(04-02-2025 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 10:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 06:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-01-2025 10:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ours went up a nickel to $2.79. Fifteen cents over the price on inauguration day. No panic here yet.

$3.15 seems a bit out of line.

Not if you have a clue how any of this works.

Refiners are scaling down production of winter blend gasoline and preparing for summer blend which usually begins around May 1st. Summer blend is more expensive. Additionally, the global price of oil increased $2.12 a barrel on Monday and is up $2.44/barrel the last month. This all adds up to the increases you're seeing...or will see shortly. Plus, increased demand for travel as the weather improves.

Or...you could blame trump. 03-zzz

Gee, another thing you are an expert on.

A jump from $2.56 to $3.15 is a bit out of line from increases elsewhere.

Sorry that went over your head.

It didn't go over my head, you just don't know how to convey your thoughts apparently.

If you wanted to avoid confusion, you should have said "$.59 seems out of line."

07-coffee3

Maybe your comprehension skills suck. Nobody else apparently had an issue.

Let's review. Dude said his price went up from $2.56 to $3.15. I then immediately said my price went up a nickel, right before I said $3.15 (from his stated price of $2.56) seems a bit out of line. AS AN INCREASE from $2.56, which is the crux of what we were discussing.

Rather than assuming your incorrect translation that I was the dumb***, you could have asked what I meant.

Why, there was NO need. You cited your price of $2.79...and then in the very next sentence say that $3.15 seems out of line. There was no assumption. That's what you typed. So I merely commented that no, $3.15 is not out of line.

And I have zero issue admitting that I often struggle with reading comprehension...has always been an issue with me ever since I was in school. But I didn't miss a thing here, you just didn't convey your meaning properly. That's on you. And again, I am guilty of doing that here all the time...it's what usually gets me into trouble. 04-cheers
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(04-02-2025 11:31 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(04-02-2025 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What exactly don't you understand? He clearly says if the US drops ALL tariffs on Canada they will drop all theirs off the US.

And just to reiterate, the current trade deal with Canada is the deal trump setup to replace NAFTA.

The bolded part is coincidentally exactly what President Trump meant by "reciprocal tariffs". His goal all along.

So then why doesn't trump just negotiate a new trade deal and get rid of all tariffs between Canada and the US? Instead he keeps ranting and raving, changing tariffs to on and off and on again, continually changing start dates and percentages and products, and genuinely causing confusion for everyone which throws markets and businesses into chaos where nobody knows what to do. Dude's an idiot...or in terms of the cult, he's playing 16D chess. 03-yawn
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