(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?
Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Cuomo has an ardent, deep, and very obvious Democratic/liberal bias. His last name is an amazing giveaway on that issue.

Andersen a much more restrained bias, but a bias nonetheless.

(10-16-2018 07:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Cuomo has an ardent, deep, and very obvious Democratic/liberal bias. His last name is an amazing giveaway on that issue.

Andersen a much more restrained bias, but a bias nonetheless.

So now your last name dictates how you do your job? I'm surprised you're advocating such a position.

I've watched a number of shows that Cuomo has hosted. I've found him to be equally as difficult to liberal guests as he is to conservative guests. Just because brother is governor off NY does not mean he is not even handed in how he conducts interviews.

And it's the same way with Cooper and Wallace. I have no doubt that Wallace is a conservative, but the times I've watched him interview liberals and conservatives, he is very even handed. For example, he did a great job during the presidential debate he was moderating, probing Clinton and Trump equally.

(10-16-2018 07:58 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Cuomo has an ardent, deep, and very obvious Democratic/liberal bias. His last name is an amazing giveaway on that issue.

Andersen a much more restrained bias, but a bias nonetheless.

So now your last name dictates how you do your job? I'm surprised you're advocating such a position.

I've watched a number of shows that Cuomo has hosted. I've found him to be equally as difficult to liberal guests as he is to conservative guests. Just because brother is governor off NY does not mean he is not even handed in how he conducts interviews.

And it's the same way with Cooper and Wallace. I have no doubt that Wallace is a conservative, but the times I've watched him interview liberals and conservatives, he is very even handed. For example, he did a great job during the presidential debate he was moderating, probing Clinton and Trump equally.

Not that his last name 'dictates' how he does his job, just that his last name is a wonderful clue of bias, which is apparent.

By the way, it isnt just his brother in a political lineage, his father was also Governor of New York and tried haphazardly to run for President in '92.

Andrew is unabashedly and vociferously biased as to many political issues --- glad he can 'be tough' with his fellow progs, but his biases on many subjects are not just amazingly apparent, but aggressively followed.

I would equate him to more of a Tucker Carlson alter ego.

(10-16-2018 08:20 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:58 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Cuomo has an ardent, deep, and very obvious Democratic/liberal bias. His last name is an amazing giveaway on that issue.

Andersen a much more restrained bias, but a bias nonetheless.

So now your last name dictates how you do your job? I'm surprised you're advocating such a position.

I've watched a number of shows that Cuomo has hosted. I've found him to be equally as difficult to liberal guests as he is to conservative guests. Just because brother is governor off NY does not mean he is not even handed in how he conducts interviews.

And it's the same way with Cooper and Wallace. I have no doubt that Wallace is a conservative, but the times I've watched him interview liberals and conservatives, he is very even handed. For example, he did a great job during the presidential debate he was moderating, probing Clinton and Trump equally.

Not that his last name 'dictates' how he does his job, just that his last name is a wonderful clue of bias, which is apparent.

By the way, it isnt just his brother in a political lineage, his father was also Governor of New York and tried haphazardly to run for President in '92.

Andrew is unabashedly and vociferously biased as to many political issues --- glad he can 'be tough' with his fellow progs, but his biases on many subjects are not just amazingly apparent, but aggressively followed.

I would equate him to more of a Tucker Carlson alter ego.

Just wondering, but have you actually watched him during the past year? He was the co-anchor on the CNN morning show and was recently given his own gig.

I've found him to be much less biased than the Carlson-esque personalities like Erin Burnett or Don Lemon. But hey, to each their own.

(10-16-2018 08:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 08:20 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:58 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Cuomo has an ardent, deep, and very obvious Democratic/liberal bias. His last name is an amazing giveaway on that issue.

Andersen a much more restrained bias, but a bias nonetheless.

So now your last name dictates how you do your job? I'm surprised you're advocating such a position.

I've watched a number of shows that Cuomo has hosted. I've found him to be equally as difficult to liberal guests as he is to conservative guests. Just because brother is governor off NY does not mean he is not even handed in how he conducts interviews.

And it's the same way with Cooper and Wallace. I have no doubt that Wallace is a conservative, but the times I've watched him interview liberals and conservatives, he is very even handed. For example, he did a great job during the presidential debate he was moderating, probing Clinton and Trump equally.

Not that his last name 'dictates' how he does his job, just that his last name is a wonderful clue of bias, which is apparent.

By the way, it isnt just his brother in a political lineage, his father was also Governor of New York and tried haphazardly to run for President in '92.

Andrew is unabashedly and vociferously biased as to many political issues --- glad he can 'be tough' with his fellow progs, but his biases on many subjects are not just amazingly apparent, but aggressively followed.

I would equate him to more of a Tucker Carlson alter ego.

Just wondering, but have you actually watched him during the past year? He was the co-anchor on the CNN morning show and was recently given his own gig.

I've found him to be much less biased than the Carlson-esque personalities like Erin Burnett or Don Lemon. But hey, to each their own.

I've watched him off and on.

I would agree that he has more control of his bias than Don Lemon.

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Agree on Wallace and Tapper. Tapper recently has let some of his bias show in his interviewing, but all in all, not bad. When Tapper goes on the late night comic shows(something I don't see the Fox hosts' doing).he really shows his personal beliefs.

Interesting you see the most liberal Fox host in a good light.

Who would you say is the most conservative CNN host?

You asked Tanq if he had watched Cuomo. I am wondering how much you have watched Fox in the past year, other than that one debate.

I usually refer to CNN as the "All Trump, All the Time" channel, not a news channel. I watch CNN and Fox about equal time, on a weekly basis. I watch Tapper's Sunday show.

I would add Brett Baier to the list of relatively bias-lite newscasters.

But the two Lad mentioned and Baier are seemingly the only on-air personalities that dont ooze bias. And it stands to reason: those are the hosts of the news shows, as opposed to pundit shows.

I agree Tapper joins that club. Cooper as well, but I very much can see a 'tilt' there -- not excessive but still somewhat tangible. On the so-called 'news networks' (excluding HLN, which I never watch) those are the five seemingly somewhat non-overtly biased ones I see between all of MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News--- meaning that they can 'keep it in their pants', so to speak.

Beto says No

(10-16-2018 09:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 05:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 01:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?

At Fox you have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

At CNN you have Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, and recently Chris Cuomo has impressed me with how much he’ll push any guest on his show, regardless of ideology.

Agree on Wallace and Tapper. Tapper recently has let some of his bias show in his interviewing, but all in all, not bad. When Tapper goes on the late night comic shows(something I don't see the Fox hosts' doing).he really shows his personal beliefs.

Interesting you see the most liberal Fox host in a good light.

Who would you say is the most conservative CNN host?

You asked Tanq if he had watched Cuomo. I am wondering how much you have watched Fox in the past year, other than that one debate.

I usually refer to CNN as the "All Trump, All the Time" channel, not a news channel. I watch CNN and Fox about equal time, on a weekly basis. I watch Tapper's Sunday show.

Sure they do - they just call it "The Sean Hannity Show" instead of "Late Night With Sean Hannity."

(10-16-2018 09:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I would add Brett Baier to the list of relatively bias-lite newscasters.

But the two Lad mentioned and Baier are seemingly the only on-air personalities that dont ooze bias. And it stands to reason: those are the hosts of the news shows, as opposed to pundit shows.

I agree Tapper joins that club. Cooper as well, but I very much can see a 'tilt' there -- not excessive but still somewhat tangible. On the so-called 'news networks' (excluding HLN, which I never watch) those are the five seemingly somewhat non-overtly biased ones I see between all of MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News--- meaning that they can 'keep it in their pants', so to speak.

I would include Baier, but not Cooper.

I am talking news people, not "on-air personalities". For example, Hannity is not a news person.

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:37 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

I had an interesting Conf Call with a group a client is negotiating with. During a lull the Texas Senate race came up, and during that I googled the counterparty on the line and the opposing counsel. Both had fairly deep ties to the Democratic Party (they are located in a much more Democratic state situated to our west, and bordered by both Mexico and the Pacific ocean). They were trying not to be obvious about 'picking my brain' (however empty it usually is) on O'Rourke and my decidedly different view on him as opposed to theirs.

I mentioned the 38 million, and both of them got really terse. It seems, that notwithstanding O'Rourke's unwillingness to share (per OO's post) there is a growing view that O'Rourke is starving other candidates of donations. And they seemed rather (not mad but not friendly) terse about that. Especially, as one put it, 'I dont believe we are draining donors for a West Texas dry hole'.

Just passing along a point of view that I found interesting, and a little bit out of the expectation that I had gotten about the O'Rourke printing press. And, interestingly enough again, one of them was under the impression that Robert was at least half Hispanic.

(10-16-2018 02:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I had an interesting Conf Call with a group a client is negotiating with. During a lull the Texas Senate race came up, and during that I googled the counterparty on the line and the opposing counsel. Both had fairly deep ties to the Democratic Party (they are located in a much more Democratic state situated to our west, and bordered by both Mexico and the Pacific ocean). They were trying not to be obvious about 'picking my brain' (however empty it usually is) on O'Rourke and my decidedly different view on him as opposed to theirs.

I mentioned the 38 million, and both of them got really terse. It seems, that notwithstanding O'Rourke's unwillingness to share (per OO's post) there is a growing view that O'Rourke is starving other candidates of donations. And they seemed rather (not mad but not friendly) terse about that. Especially, as one put it, 'I dont believe we are draining donors for a West Texas dry hole'.

Just passing along a point of view that I found interesting, and a little bit out of the expectation that I had gotten about the O'Rourke printing press. And, interestingly enough again, one of them was under the impression that Robert was at least half Hispanic.

I think he loses the minority status race to Warren, 1/1000 to 0.

(10-16-2018 12:44 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:37 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

So was the 60 Minutes sit down with Trump a camping event?

(10-16-2018 03:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 02:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I had an interesting Conf Call with a group a client is negotiating with. During a lull the Texas Senate race came up, and during that I googled the counterparty on the line and the opposing counsel. Both had fairly deep ties to the Democratic Party (they are located in a much more Democratic state situated to our west, and bordered by both Mexico and the Pacific ocean). They were trying not to be obvious about 'picking my brain' (however empty it usually is) on O'Rourke and my decidedly different view on him as opposed to theirs.

I mentioned the 38 million, and both of them got really terse. It seems, that notwithstanding O'Rourke's unwillingness to share (per OO's post) there is a growing view that O'Rourke is starving other candidates of donations. And they seemed rather (not mad but not friendly) terse about that. Especially, as one put it, 'I dont believe we are draining donors for a West Texas dry hole'.

Just passing along a point of view that I found interesting, and a little bit out of the expectation that I had gotten about the O'Rourke printing press. And, interestingly enough again, one of them was under the impression that Robert was at least half Hispanic.

I think he loses the minority status race to Warren, 1/1000 to 0.

To be precise, that is 1/1024. Channeling the Gore 2000 effort --- Count every ancestor!!!

(10-16-2018 04:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 12:44 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:37 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

So was the 60 Minutes sit down with Trump a camping event?

I didnt realize the 60 Minutes interview with Trump was a townhall event. Townhall events are pretty much pillowfight events. Since I didnt notice the Trump interview (which seemed to be a 1:1 thingy) was a townhall, I must be going daft in my old age.

Edited: have to laugh that your mic translated 'campaign' to 'camping'.....

(10-16-2018 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 04:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 12:44 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:37 PM)Baconator Wrote:  I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

So was the 60 Minutes sit down with Trump a camping event?

I didnt realize the 60 Minutes interview with Trump was a townhall event. Townhall events are pretty much pillowfight events. Since I didnt notice the Trump interview (which seemed to be a 1:1 thingy) was a townhall, I must be going daft in my old age.

Edited: have to laugh that your mic translated 'campaign' to 'camping'.....

A townhall is more analogous to an interview than a campaign event. It doesn’t allow the speaker to talk about whatever topics they want - they are at the will of the moderator and those in attendance.

How does the number of people asking questions relate to the difficulty of the questions being asked or the topics covered? In what ways is a townhall event different than an interview?

(10-16-2018 04:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 04:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 12:44 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

So was the 60 Minutes sit down with Trump a camping event?

I didnt realize the 60 Minutes interview with Trump was a townhall event. Townhall events are pretty much pillowfight events. Since I didnt notice the Trump interview (which seemed to be a 1:1 thingy) was a townhall, I must be going daft in my old age.

Edited: have to laugh that your mic translated 'campaign' to 'camping'.....

A townhall is more analogous to an interview than a campaign event. It doesn’t allow the speaker to talk about whatever topics they want - they are at the will of the moderator and those in attendance.

How does the number of people asking questions relate to the difficulty of the questions being asked or the topics covered? In what ways is a townhall event different than an interview?

I remember Clinton (Bill) being asked at a townhall if he wore boxers or briefs.

(10-16-2018 04:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 04:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 12:44 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

There is a fine line between covering news and creating content. If CNN sent a reporter to his campaign event, that would be covering the news. If they organize it for him, that's beyond news - that's general programming.

Again, I don't really care that CNN is holding a campaign event for Beto. Corporations should be able to make unlimited monetary and in-kind contributions to anybody they wish. My personal preference is that they just be up front about what it is.

So was the 60 Minutes sit down with Trump a camping event?

I didnt realize the 60 Minutes interview with Trump was a townhall event. Townhall events are pretty much pillowfight events. Since I didnt notice the Trump interview (which seemed to be a 1:1 thingy) was a townhall, I must be going daft in my old age.

Edited: have to laugh that your mic translated 'campaign' to 'camping'.....

A townhall is more analogous to an interview than a campaign event. It doesn’t allow the speaker to talk about whatever topics they want - they are at the will of the moderator and those in attendance.

How does the number of people asking questions relate to the difficulty of the questions being asked or the topics covered? In what ways is a townhall event different than an interview?

I remember Clinton (Bill) being asked at a townhall if he wore boxers or briefs.