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(10-13-2018 06:16 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Beto needs to spend some of that money on something besides TV/new media buys. A massive Get Out The Vote rally/concert for young people and the minorities he desperately needs to vote next month. Something with all the A list celebrities. Otherwise, he has no chance.

Are you referring to this? https://www.statesman.com/news/20180929/...stin-crowd

Willie counts as A-list in Austin, right?


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Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.
Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.
https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

Have they offered one to Dikeman?

Other big question. Is this kind of partisanship appropriate for CNN?

(10-15-2018 02:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.
Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.
https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

Have they offered one to Dikeman?

Other big question. Is this kind of partisanship appropriate for CNN?

I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.



To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

(10-15-2018 05:37 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 02:12 PM)Baconator Wrote:  Willie is A-list everywhere. Even if his choice in politicians is suspect.

Neal Dikeman, the Libertarian candidate, filed an FEC complaint against Beto and CNN today. His contention is that CNN holding these town hall meetings for Beto without any other candidates is an in-kind contribution to the campaign.

https://www.nealdikeman.com/

CNN offered a spot to Ted Cruz, and the Cruz camp declined.

I know that. When Cruz declined, that is when the event stopped being a debate and thus stopped being news. A town hall with one candidate is not news - it's a commercial.

For the record I am not philosophically bothered by the town hall. The (small l) libertarian position is that property owners should be able to do whatever they want with their property. I do wish CNN would be more honest about what it is. I mean I think the general public understands that CNN is shilling for the Democrats pretty much 24/7 these days.

It's more interesting to me that the (big L) Libertarian candidate is the one filing the complaint, and not Ted Cruz. Maybe Cruz feels like protesting this would just draw more attention to Beto, who seems to be faltering.

This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it. I mean, should news networks not do interviews with a candidate by themselves? That’s an implication of your statement, because that’s the exact same situation.

A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.
As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.
Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree about that.

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if he is. I picture softballs lobbed over the plate, probably cleared in advance.

Quote:A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

The problem is that news networks clearly take sides, and that is now well known. I wouldn't go on CNN if I were Cruz and I wouldn't go on Fox if I were O'Rourke.

Speaking of loons running, any comments on the Arizona Democratic Senate candidate inviting specifically inviting witches to her anti-war demonstration?

Or, when talking about a previous demonstration she writes about "singing and spiraling in the pagan's circle only 5 rows back from the police line."

Almost forgot -- the next Texas Senate debate is tomorrow.

(10-15-2018 07:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This town hall is basically an extended interview, not a commercial. Beto will be challenged, I guarantee it.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if he is. I picture softballs lobbed over the plate, probably cleared in advance.

Quote:A news network should not only show interviews with one candidate - they should actively try to reach out to multiple and get their opinions to the public, which CNN did.

The problem is that news networks clearly take sides, and that is now well known. I wouldn't go on CNN if I were Cruz and I wouldn't go on Fox if I were O'Rourke.

Cruz debated Bernie about a year ago on CNN on tax policy, or whatever Bernie considers his idea of tax policy to be. In my opinion, CNN has actually done a good job of promoting town halls and debates between various politicians over the last couple years, compared to the MSNBCs and Fox Newses of the world.

(10-15-2018 07:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Speaking of loons running, any comments on the Arizona Democratic Senate candidate inviting specifically inviting witches to her anti-war demonstration?

Or, when talking about a previous demonstration she writes about "singing and spiraling in the pagan's circle only 5 rows back from the police line."

That sounds fun.

sounds wicked to me....

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 05:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I believe Dikeman is polling at less than 2% (538 shows him at 1.5%). My guess is CNN has some sort of cut off for polling with respect to who is offered an invitation. If they weren't allowed to do so, insanity would ensue as they would have to invite anyone who registers to run for the race they're featuring a town hall for. And I've seen some of the loons that register to run for political office and who aren't close to serious contenders.

But Dikeman, not Cruz is the plaintiff, right?

Quote:To your second question, I don't think it's partisan for CNN to have a Cruz-O'Rourke only town hall, or, if one candidate decides to cancel/not accept the invitation, a single candidate town hall, so long as there is not evidence that the intent was/is to promote a single candidate over the other (e.g. they intentionally scheduled the town hall in conflict with one of the candidates).

Would you feel the same way if, say, Fox hod a Cruz-only town hall? To your hypo, I could see O'Rourke being invited to such a town hall and turning it down, because he would be in enemy territory. I could see Cruz declining CNN for the same reason. Of course, Cruz is such an a-hole that pretty much anywhere is going to be enemy territory for him. Still, I would prefer him to O'Rourke. I'm not going to vote for someone who promises not to represent my views. Yeah, all politicians lie, but I don't trust him to be lying about that.

I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed and on Fox. I’d be more annoyed at Beto for turning down the opportunity to state his case to the “enemy” on that case. If you think your position is so weak that it can’t stand up to your opponents, that’s a problem.

If you seriously, honestly would not have a problem, then you have differentiated yourself from probably 95% of the partisans on here.

As far as thinking your position weak, I don't think that's the case at all. This isn't about winning hearts and minds, it's about staying out of an ambush. That's what I think CNN would be for Cruz, and what Fox would be for O'Rourke. You're not going to do much stating your case by answering a steady barrage of "do you still beat your wife" questions.

Am I happy that's what our politics have turned into? Absolutely not. But I don't see it changing for the better.

I disagree about the ambush. Fox News held a presidential debate and was very fair and even with the candidates. They actually have a couple (literally two) competent news anchors. Same with CNN.

Who would be the two competent ones for CNN?

Which ones are the two for Fox?

Does competent = unbiased?