(10-13-2013 03:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 10:39 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 07:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 07:03 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Penn State weathering their punishment seems to upset people.

Not unusual… we typically think of a man who was incarcerated for five-miserable years
got what he deserved, yet we tend to perceive a man who receives the same punishment, and
earns a masters degree and writes a book during his five years in jail as reward for his transgressions.

With that said, the NCAA is enigmatic tyrant.
Who can make sense of their justice?

What punishment? Last night, they had 107,000 people in the stands and they beat Michigan on national TV in prime time.

From here, I don't see how Penn State football has suffered at all. I wish UConn and SMU were suffering like Penn State did last night.

The NCAA can't ban fans from attending games.
I'm guessing if they could, they would have already done so.

Implying that the degree of punishment would be justified if Penn State experienced losing records and low attendance these last couple of season is bewildering.

Sure they can. They did to SMU.

no game = no fans.

I think they unsuccessfully tried to ban Cecil Newton too.

I still can't believe after all that their school administration did ( and did not do) about a horrendous crime that they get to play on national television. They should not be playing at all.

A 3 year ban on football is what I would have tried to do.

(10-14-2013 09:29 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I still can't believe after all that their school administration did ( and did not do) about a horrendous crime that they get to play on national television. They should not be playing at all.

A 3 year ban on football is what I would have tried to do.

You'd think the school itself would want to make a break from the Paterno legacy. It sucks, and it may not even be warranted in the minds of many, but it's the reality they face.

(10-12-2013 07:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I tend to agree with you. The only downside is if it had happened today SMU would not have received the death penalty.

SMU would still get the death penalty. UNC, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, or anyone like that would get a slap on the wrist, and the NCAA would start looking around for someone else to hammer so they wouldn't look weak...

Or they'd go after weak programs with no pull like USC just for a booster buying 1 player's parents a house. Or Ohio State for a piddly little tattoo violation.

Seriously, I can't believe that people still think the NCAA doesn't go after big-time programs after what happened to USC, Penn State, and especially OSU.

(10-14-2013 11:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I tend to agree with you. The only downside is if it had happened today SMU would not have received the death penalty.

SMU would still get the death penalty. UNC, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, or anyone like that would get a slap on the wrist, and the NCAA would start looking around for someone else to hammer so they wouldn't look weak...

Or they'd go after weak programs with no pull like USC just for a booster buying 1 player's parents a house. Or Ohio State for a piddly little tattoo violation.

Seriously, I can't believe that people still think the NCAA doesn't go after big-time programs after what happened to USC, Penn State, and especially OSU.

The NCAA really hurt Ohio State with their punishment too. They went undefeated during their suspension from post season play, and look to do it again this year...

The NCAA didn't really hurt USC either. USC did it to themselves by hiring Lane Kiffin. But they still have plenty of top level talent that few other schools can match...

(10-12-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

(10-12-2013 07:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I tend to agree with you. The only downside is if it had happened today SMU would not have received the death penalty.

SMU would still get the death penalty. UNC, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, or anyone like that would get a slap on the wrist, and the NCAA would start looking around for someone else to hammer so they wouldn't look weak...

This is the same thing about Kentucky that we make fun of for when ever it seems they should be busted for cheating the NCAA wont do anything for they are to dam scared so they go and hammer the little guy for a secondary violation. This is very practical procedure on the NCAA part just go ask Cleveland State or who ever they busted instead of busting the obvious cheater who breaks rules left and right. LOL

It typically isn't until year 3 until the effects of sanctions really start affecting a program as the lost scholarships start effecting depth, and especially quality depth. By year four you can really tell a difference.


The NCAA hit Clemson in 1982 with probation and scholarship reductions.

1982 - 9-1-1 Lost to UGA, tied the BC Fighting Fluties

1983 - 9-1-1 Lost to the Fighting Fluties, tied UGA

1984 - 7-4 Lost to UGA, GT, Maryland (1st ACC loss in three years), and a 10-2 South Carolina

1985 - 6-6 Lost to UGA, GT, Kentucky, UNC, Maryland and Minnesota in the Independence Bowl

1986 - 8-2-2 Back to full scholarship numbers

1987 - 1990 10-2 each year

1991 - We got Hatfielded and started our decline.

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

(10-16-2013 01:17 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

I wouldn't attend a school that's been warned about its accreditation. That's pathetic. What a lousy place.

(10-16-2013 01:17 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

And, as I said, it is not for the NCAA to hold the witch hunt. As you state with your own post, the Department of Education. You know...agencies that can actually do something? You have a bunch of "imbeciles" stating that the NCAA should be doing more and you say nothing but you come at me for calling them out?

Generally you are one of the best here Paco but now you are letting your Pitt status cloud your judgement and cause you to be nothing more than the bandwagon leader. Got your pitchfork with you?


Thank you for just proving my point. I can take your elementary insults if you are going to prove my point at the same time.

(10-16-2013 06:26 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 01:17 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

I wouldn't attend a school that's been warned about its accreditation. That's pathetic. What a lousy place.

A warning is different than losing. A warning doesn't affect it at all.

Why are you people so simple minded when it comes to a subject like this?

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 11:47 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Blah blah blah. The NCAA said it would never again do what it did to SMU. SMU blatently kept breaking rules that it had already received punishments from the NCAA on. The NCAA didn't know what to do in order to get compliance so they came up with something never before done and afterwards the folks who made the decision have all voiced regret at doing so.

What we have here is a LEGAL issue that should be prosecuted by LEGAL means which means well above the "jurisdiction" of the NCAA.

The NCAA is not meant to be going to that level of judgement on schools. That is not it's intent or purpose. Yet we have all these morality police out here saying that the State University of Pennsylvania should be shut down or whatever. Do you folks know just how many people are connected to the University? How many alumni there are? How many faculty? How many students? All of these people listed had nothing to do with what happened and had no say in it. A few people at the top should be prosecuted for this BS but all you ******** saying the School itself needs to pretty much be destroyed? Pathetic internet imbeciles, all of you.

Here we have a bunch of kids working hard and trying to succeed while having one hand tied behind their back. Here we have a coach whom had nothing to do with all that went down and he is excelling as showing these kids just how much they can achieve if they put their minds to it. Yet somehow you ******** are playing the herd animal card and getting all "moralistic" about it.

What a joke.

I think it is hilarious that you folks are so bent out of shape over folks at Penn State being able to move on beyond what happened. Because all of these people there that had nothing to do with the atrocities should all be punished too right? F'n idiots.

Who's bent out of shape???

This has to qualify as the most pathetic post of the year.

Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Hit the nail on the head.

(10-12-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

Few may not remember Bill O'Briens first ever comments right after the sanctions were handed out.

He stressed multiple times in that same interview that Penn State would still remain on NATIONAL TV....as that is KEY in regards to recruiting (every recruit wants their family/friends to be able to watch them play every game).

He said NATIONAL TV...NATIONAL TV....TV EXPOSURE...over and over and over again.

All 12 PSU games were on TV last year...same for this year.

NCAA was too scared to hand out a TV Ban (one of the last ones I recall was for UF in the late 80's), as it would have decimated the Big Ten Network, plus killed ESPN Ratings...plus, it would obviously penalize all other 8 Big Ten teams PSU would play...as in those conf games could not be on any TV at all.

PSU was too big to fail...and NCAA made sure it wouldn't.

(10-16-2013 07:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 01:17 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Why? Because I am not willing to get on the mob mentality bandwagon that states that Penn State University must be destroyed?

The fact that you think you qualify as a judge of "most pathetic post of the year" is truly laughable. Move along herd animal.

Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

And, as I said, it is not for the NCAA to hold the witch hunt. As you state with your own post, the Department of Education. You know...agencies that can actually do something? You have a bunch of "imbeciles" stating that the NCAA should be doing more and you say nothing but you come at me for calling them out?

Generally you are one of the best here Paco but now you are letting your Pitt status cloud your judgement and cause you to be nothing more than the bandwagon leader. Got your pitchfork with you?


Thank you for just proving my point. I can take your elementary insults if you are going to prove my point at the same time.

Multiple and undeniable violations of both the NCAA constitution and its bylaws, as listed. I guess the NCAA's own constitution and bylaws aren't under its own jurisdiction? The DOE can't do anything to correct the underlying problems. Clery Act violations are but a sympton, not the cause. Why was there a coverup and why did everyone from janitors to the highest university officials feel compelled to suppress something as heinous as children being raped? When you search for that answer, you'll be nearer to the real problem. It's not against the law to run a school as a subsidiary of a football program. However, it is a violation of multiple NCAA bylaws concerning ethical conduct and institutional control to do so. That sort of corruption serves as the most basic premises for the very existence of the NCAA.

And the NCAA didn't hold any witch hunt. Penn State commissioned its own study and accepted the results of its findings. The NCAA should have done its own thorough investigation into the violations of its own constitution and rule book and handed out measures that could have corrected the problems instead of expediting a plea deal in order to pacify the news cycle outrage from the press. That means suspending the program in order to give the university time to clean out both football's unnatural influence and the ingrained incestuous nature of the top administrative and athletic positions at the school before trying to mitigate damage to a sports team, which has been the unfortunate emphasis since day one (because nothing has actually changed). And doing that would not have done permanent damage. PSU is not SMU, not even close. The program would have regrouped as soon as it hired the next competent coach and would have been back by the end of the decade, perhaps though with some integrity as opposed to slogans and lipservice. Too late now. And only the tip of the iceberg has been revealed, unfortunately, and the rest may never be.

Yep, I'm close, my hometown is in spitting distance from ground zero and I've been well aware of the cultural and institutional problems there for decades. I'm also witnessing my home area's most important institution climbing back out onto the same ledge it just fell off of and not a small number of its fans, some of whom I've forever lost respect for, effectively spitting in the faces of abuse victims with every proclamation of indignity suffered by their favorite sports team. Sick and disgusting.