(10-16-2013 10:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 07:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 01:17 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:50 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:44 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Penn State's culture of football worship and deference to athletic power is what needed to be destroyed, not the university itself. There's been no real change there. By a wide margin, more money has been poured in to PR firms than anything else. The clear emphasis has been on continuing the cash cow of football unabated, going back to when the scandal broke and evidenced by such moves as the retention of Paterno's top recruiters that were around for the entire timeline of the scandal. Suppression of the will to look deeper continues, incestuous administrative practices are still the name of the game, and most horrifying are those that attempt to paint a story of the victimization of the university which effectively slaps at the faces of unknown numbers of children and their families that are scarred forever. This all means, unfortunately, that it is just a matter of time until another scandal derived from the concentration of power in a cult of personality will arise. One can only hope it will be less horrific than covering up decades of child serial rape in the name of athletic image. But the NCAA is feckless, no surprise there.

Yet another poster who misses the point.

No, I get your imbecilic ramblings quite well, to use your vocabulary.

NCAA Constitution
2.1 Responsibility
2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT
6.01.1 & 6.4 Institutional control

NCAA Bylaws
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
11.1.1 governing conduct of athletic personnel
11.12.1 promotion of an atmosphere of compliance
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.

NCAA letter of inquirery

The Department of Education will determine what to do about PSU's institutional violations of the Clery Act. Investigations from other government agencies, including the DOE, are still pending.
Luckily for for the school, it only received a warning on its accreditation from the Middle Sates Commission on Higher Education.

And, as I said, it is not for the NCAA to hold the witch hunt. As you state with your own post, the Department of Education. You know...agencies that can actually do something? You have a bunch of "imbeciles" stating that the NCAA should be doing more and you say nothing but you come at me for calling them out?

Generally you are one of the best here Paco but now you are letting your Pitt status cloud your judgement and cause you to be nothing more than the bandwagon leader. Got your pitchfork with you?


Thank you for just proving my point. I can take your elementary insults if you are going to prove my point at the same time.

Multiple and undeniable violations of both the NCAA constitution and its bylaws, as listed. I guess the NCAA's own constitution and bylaws aren't under its own jurisdiction? The DOE can't do anything to correct the underlying problems. Clery Act violations are but a sympton, not the cause. Why was there a coverup and why did everyone from janitors to the highest university officials feel compelled to suppress something as heinous as children being raped? When you search for that answer, you'll be nearer to the real problem. It's not against the law to run a school as a subsidiary of a football program. However, it is a violation of multiple NCAA bylaws concerning ethical conduct and institutional control to do so. That sort of corruption serves as the most basic premises for the very existence of the NCAA.

And the NCAA didn't hold any witch hunt. Penn State commissioned its own study and accepted the results of its findings. The NCAA should have done its own thorough investigation into the violations of its own constitution and rule book and handed out measures that could have corrected the problems instead of expediting a plea deal in order to pacify the news cycle outrage from the press. That means suspending the program in order to give the university time to clean out both football's unnatural influence and the ingrained incestuous nature of the top administrative and athletic positions at the school before trying to mitigate damage to a sports team, which has been the unfortunate emphasis since day one (because nothing has actually changed). And doing that would not have done permanent damage. PSU is not SMU, not even close. The program would have regrouped as soon as it hired the next competent coach and would have been back by the end of the decade, perhaps though with some integrity as opposed to slogans and lipservice. Too late now. And only the tip of the iceberg has been revealed, unfortunately, and the rest may never be.

Yep, I'm close, my hometown is in spitting distance from ground zero and I've been well aware of the cultural and institutional problems there for decades. I'm also witnessing my home area's most important institution climbing back out onto the same ledge it just fell off of and not a small number of its fans, some of whom I've forever lost respect for, effectively spitting in the faces of abuse victims with every proclamation of indignity suffered by their favorite sports team. Sick and disgusting.

Me too. One had to grow up/live in Pennsylvania during the Sixties, Seventies and beyond to truly understand the Cult of Joe that occurred at PSU.

You didn't have to grow up there, Terry. Visiting the campus once or twice every year was good enough. I saw the foundation of the cult being built in the 1960s. I missed most of the 1970s due to Uncle Sam...