They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

I tend to agree with you. The only downside is if it had happened today SMU would not have received the death penalty.

(10-12-2013 07:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I tend to agree with you. The only downside is if it had happened today SMU would not have received the death penalty.

SMU would still get the death penalty. UNC, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, or anyone like that would get a slap on the wrist, and the NCAA would start looking around for someone else to hammer so they wouldn't look weak...

I dont even pay attention to Penn State anymore. I once admired their coach and program however, any group that harbors and protects pedophiles - in the manner they did - is disgusting. I don't care how their fans and others spin it. It is simply disgusting!

(10-12-2013 07:55 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  I dont even pay attention to Penn State anymore. I once admired their coach and program however, any group that harbors and protects pedophiles - in the manner they did - is disgusting. I don't care how their fans and others spin it. It is simply disgusting!

+1

It's a program that deserves no respect. They still haven't distanced themselves from the man whose legacy includes a failure to prevent pedophilia.

It sounds harsh but as it stands they will never fully shake the stigma of this. If they wanted to turn over a leaf they would have self imposed a year of not playing and gone from there. It isn't like an SMU where recovery was going to be near impossible. It simply would have served as a complete and total break from the past, which is tarnished.

It sucks for the kids and fans but so does forcing them and future kids to face the stigma the program will forever carry.

I used to like Penn State, especially as an Alabama fan given our friendly rivalry but how this was done, and what was done, required more action. Now, we have apologists.

Penn State disgusts me. Their crime was worse than SMU's crime, but Penn State's FB program hasn't suffered anything like what SMU went through. And I've seen some posts that Penn State may block UConn from whatever small chance we had at Big 10 membership (although I'm not 100% convinced that is true).

(10-12-2013 08:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Penn State disgusts me. Their crime was worse than SMU's crime, but Penn State's FB program hasn't suffered anything like what SMU went through. And I've seen some posts that Penn State may block UConn from whatever small chance we had at Big 10 membership (although I'm not 100% convinced that is true).

To be brutally honest, SMU has no bearing on my dislike of the program. SMU got what it got and its over. It may suck but it happened a long time ago and nothing can be done to make it right at this point.

(10-12-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

This isn't a very good Michigan team. They struggled to get past 1-6 Akron (28-24) and barely beat winless UConn (24-21). Using them as a measure of the health of the Penn State program is a poor choice.

Why would an SMU fan defend what went on at Penn State? That's an insult to the SU fan base.

And what do you consider the appropriate punishment for enabling and then covering up child rape?

(10-12-2013 08:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Penn State disgusts me. Their crime was worse than SMU's crime, but Penn State's FB program hasn't suffered anything like what SMU went through. And I've seen some posts that Penn State may block UConn from whatever small chance we had at Big 10 membership (although I'm not 100% convinced that is true).

What in the world does UConn's candidacy for the Big Ten have to do with this?

(10-13-2013 05:41 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

This isn't a very good Michigan team. They struggled to get past 1-6 Akron (28-24) and barely beat winless UConn (24-21). Using them as a measure of the health of the Penn State program is a poor choice.

Why would an SMU fan defend what went on at Penn State? That's an insult to the SU fan base.

And what do you consider the appropriate punishment for enabling and then covering up child rape?

As an SMU alum/fan ... I'm saying that Penn State's "punishment" was not severe enough considering what happened there. I am not defending Penn State at all.

(10-13-2013 05:42 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 08:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Penn State disgusts me. Their crime was worse than SMU's crime, but Penn State's FB program hasn't suffered anything like what SMU went through. And I've seen some posts that Penn State may block UConn from whatever small chance we had at Big 10 membership (although I'm not 100% convinced that is true).

What in the world does UConn's candidacy for the Big Ten have to do with this?

As a UConn alum/fan ... I'm saying that Penn State makes me sick. The crimes that went on there were hideous. And now I've seen some posts speculating that Penn State might try to "block" UConn from Big 10 membership if it is ever considered. I'm not sure if I believe those posts, but that gives me even more reason to dislike Penn State if they're true.

Penn State weathering their punishment seems to upset people.

Not unusual… we typically think of a man who was incarcerated for five-miserable years
got what he deserved, yet we tend to perceive a man who receives the same punishment, and
earns a masters degree and writes a book during his five years in jail as reward for his transgressions.

With that said, the NCAA is enigmatic tyrant.
Who can make sense of their justice?

(10-13-2013 07:03 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Penn State weathering their punishment seems to upset people.

Not unusual… we typically think of a man who was incarcerated for five-miserable years
got what he deserved, yet we tend to perceive a man who receives the same punishment, and
earns a masters degree and writes a book during his five years in jail as reward for his transgressions.

With that said, the NCAA is enigmatic tyrant.
Who can make sense of their justice?

What punishment? Last night, they had 107,000 people in the stands and they beat Michigan on national TV in prime time.

From here, I don't see how Penn State football has suffered at all. I wish UConn and SMU were suffering like Penn State did last night.

(10-13-2013 06:50 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 05:42 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 08:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Penn State disgusts me. Their crime was worse than SMU's crime, but Penn State's FB program hasn't suffered anything like what SMU went through. And I've seen some posts that Penn State may block UConn from whatever small chance we had at Big 10 membership (although I'm not 100% convinced that is true).

What in the world does UConn's candidacy for the Big Ten have to do with this?

As a UConn alum/fan ... I'm saying that Penn State makes me sick. The crimes that went on there were hideous. And now I've seen some posts speculating that Penn State might try to "block" UConn from Big 10 membership if it is ever considered. I'm not sure if I believe those posts, but that gives me even more reason to dislike Penn State if they're true.

Them blocking UConn has nothing to do with the Sandusky mess, does it? I assume there's no connection.

I don't see why Penn State would block UConn, whose primary recruiting areas would be New England and New York. Rutgers and Maryland are a much greater threats to Penn State recruiting, who has historically taken a lot of kids out of New Jersey.

I would see UConn as only being good for Penn State by adding a potential rivalry and reducing travel. Penn State blocking UConn makes little sense to me.

(10-13-2013 06:47 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 05:41 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They have over 100,000 at the game and they're about to go into OT with Michigan on national TV.

The punishment didn't fit the crime ... just ask any SMU fan.

This isn't a very good Michigan team. They struggled to get past 1-6 Akron (28-24) and barely beat winless UConn (24-21). Using them as a measure of the health of the Penn State program is a poor choice.

Why would an SMU fan defend what went on at Penn State? That's an insult to the SU fan base.

And what do you consider the appropriate punishment for enabling and then covering up child rape?

As an SMU alum/fan ... I'm saying that Penn State's "punishment" was not severe enough considering what happened there. I am not defending Penn State at all.

Sorry that I misunderstood. I completely agree that there is no punishment that would have been too great.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/photos?gam...to_3308626

(10-13-2013 07:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 07:03 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Penn State weathering their punishment seems to upset people.

Not unusual… we typically think of a man who was incarcerated for five-miserable years
got what he deserved, yet we tend to perceive a man who receives the same punishment, and
earns a masters degree and writes a book during his five years in jail as reward for his transgressions.

With that said, the NCAA is enigmatic tyrant.
Who can make sense of their justice?

What punishment? Last night, they had 107,000 people in the stands and they beat Michigan on national TV in prime time.

From here, I don't see how Penn State football has suffered at all. I wish UConn and SMU were suffering like Penn State did last night.

The NCAA can't ban fans from attending games.
I'm guessing if they could, they would have already done so.

Implying that the degree of punishment would be justified if Penn State experienced losing records and low attendance these last couple of season is bewildering.

Somewhere, Joe Pa is looking up and smiling today....

(10-13-2013 02:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Somewhere, Joe Pa is looking up and smiling today....

(10-13-2013 10:39 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 07:30 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 07:03 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Penn State weathering their punishment seems to upset people.

Not unusual… we typically think of a man who was incarcerated for five-miserable years
got what he deserved, yet we tend to perceive a man who receives the same punishment, and
earns a masters degree and writes a book during his five years in jail as reward for his transgressions.

With that said, the NCAA is enigmatic tyrant.
Who can make sense of their justice?

What punishment? Last night, they had 107,000 people in the stands and they beat Michigan on national TV in prime time.

From here, I don't see how Penn State football has suffered at all. I wish UConn and SMU were suffering like Penn State did last night.

The NCAA can't ban fans from attending games.
I'm guessing if they could, they would have already done so.

Implying that the degree of punishment would be justified if Penn State experienced losing records and low attendance these last couple of season is bewildering.

Sure they can. They did to SMU.

no game = no fans.