(12-14-2012 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:57 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:38 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Actually, the high capacity angle certainly made it easier for him to kill more people.

The United States killed a lot of people in WW2 using a rifle that held 8 rounds. Doesn't take that long to change magazines or insert a stripper clip especially when the people you are shooting at aren't firing back. Naive once again comes to mind.

Sure, but at least he would have had to stop shooting more often to change them, providing more opportunities for others to physically intervene or to escape.

How do you know when he stopped to reload versus stopped to find a new target?

This is ridiculous. If you wish to opine that the fact that the killer had access to a large capacity assault rifle versus a handgun or a hunting rifle had no impact on the number of fatalities, go right ahead.

Someone with a 45 colt with multiple 8 round clips could have went in that school and done the same thing. What's ridiculous is the fact you don't seem to understand that people like this look for the softest targets possible. Places where there is the least liklihood of resistance. Most of these people crave the attention that inevitably follows a travesty like this.

(12-14-2012 03:09 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:58 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Does this go on in other countries with stricter gun laws? The problem is that it's now too big to stop. For every 1 American citizen, there's 1 firearm in the US.

You've heard of Mexico, right?

Just like the US it's now too big to stop in Mexico.

I hear Canada has so many weapons, they don't know what to with them all so they go crazy and kill people all the time. No? Hmm, I guess it must be an issue beyond guns themselves. But lets just blame the inanimate object as the problem, because that's the easy talking point.

(12-14-2012 03:08 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  When all weapons worldwide are destroyed ill surrender mine. Until then leave me alone and don't pretend to assume criminals obey gun laws. When Lord Zero brings up the assault weapon ban I'm going out to buy several, immediately. You leftist loons never let a tragedy go to waste do you? This is just another radical left wing nut funded by Soros in an attempt to reinstitute an expired ban.


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No one, including me, is asking you to give up your gun. What I am asking is that you not sell your gun to someone without an effective background check to ensure that the purchaser is not insane, a criminal, or a straw purchaser.

If you want an assault rifle, go right ahead, but get a license from the govermment so we know who has the friggin things.

And yes, if you or someone else is subsequently deemed insane, or convicted of a crime, it is in my interest to be able to look up on a list and say..."hand over your assault rifle". That's the purpose of the list. It also would greatly reduce straw purchasing.

You still would have your gun. We think we will be safer. We've tried it y'alls way. Its not working.

(12-14-2012 03:13 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:09 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:58 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Does this go on in other countries with stricter gun laws? The problem is that it's now too big to stop. For every 1 American citizen, there's 1 firearm in the US.

You've heard of Mexico, right?

Just like the US it's now too big to stop in Mexico.

I hear Canada has so many weapons, they don't know what to with them all so they go crazy and kill people all the time. No? Hmm, I guess it must be an issue beyond guns themselves. But lets just blame the inanimate object as the problem, because that's the easy talking point.

Mexico's gun problem is largely a result of straw purchases from the USA.
Canada has lots of guns, but unlike the USA, has effective regulation of them.

(12-14-2012 03:11 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Someone with a 45 colt with multiple 8 round clips could have went in that school and done the same thing.

That and the fact that most of the time its not like some guy just comes in and just goes nuts with a gun. Most the of the events are of methodical executions of helpless victims.

Sure, the government having a list of everyone who owns guns. I can't imagine how that'd turn out. If crazy people couldn't own guns then women would all be unarmed.


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LORD ZERO JUST SHED POLITICAL TEARS...LMAO

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

I really wish a moderator would close a thread like this - at least for a day or two - in respect of the children who died. I don't see any point in making jokes or talking about guns and gun control so soon after a tragedy like this. It sounds like some disgusting individual hated his parents, killed them both, and decided to kill an entire kindergarten class that his mother taught in the process.

I just don't know what any discussion in a thread like this on a day like today will solve.

Some of those images are just sickening, those kids who survived are going to be scarred for life with many needing plenty of therapy.

I hope Ryan Lanza, the shooter, is roasting in the hottest apartment in hell right now. What a tuff guy he was, shooting away at little kids on his way to blasting his own mother, who was a teacher there.

Not sure this is even "shocking" anymore. The depths to which the human mind can go are limitless. What snaps inside a brain to lead one to such a miserable, pitch-dark place. Everything from Hitler's concentration camps to Stalin's gulags to suicide bombers attest to this.

As always...just ignore it and kick the can down the road several more miles.

(12-14-2012 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:22 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I carry a gun because cops are too heavy

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

You carry a gun because you are affraid of life.

I have not posted here in a while for THIS reason. You are a POS Robert. How GD dare you laugh and make f'ng jokes at this time? You need help son....serious mental health help.

(12-14-2012 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:22 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I carry a gun because cops are too heavy

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

You carry a gun because you are affraid of life.

Excuse me?

Listen up guy, just a week ago there was a shooting one block from my house. If you think for one second I would allow my family to be hurt or killed when some junkie with a shotgun kicks in my door then you are mistaken.

I'm quite certain I carry a gun because I love my life and don't want it to end prematurely due to the actions of some ass****.

You need to understand that people are individuals who all think differently. The majority of us gun owners are not running around and killing innocent people. It doesn't take much more than simple logic to understand that idea.

(12-14-2012 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:03 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So your response is..."lets do nothing and continue to allow everyone, including the insane, criminals, and straw purchasers to purchase assault rifles in unlimited quantities with no enforcement at any gun show"? Got it.

How many more of these events have to happen before you see the need to actually have some common sense gun laws? Give me the number, because unfortunately, if we continue to do nothing, eventually I'm afraid we're going to hit that number.

You seem to think imposing more laws will deter lawbreakers. Does that really seem logical?

How about making our current laws enforceable? Instead of creating a loophole that makes virtually all gun laws null and void?

Are you aware of how the gun shows work?

What we are doing now is not working. Its time to try something else. And to those who talk about freedom, what about a kids freedom to go to school without some loon shooting them? what about the freedom to go to the mall without some suicidal loon shooting you?

Amish School Shooting, Colombine, Colorado Batman Massacre, Portland Oregon Town and Country Mall, Virginia Tech, Connecticut elementary school..... How many people's freedoms have been infringed on by these actions? At some point, there needs to be some additional measures taken.

Make as many laws as you want Tom and you still will have these incidents. If someone is willing to break the laws we have against murder then I doubt they will have misgivings about breaking gun laws.

Then the question should be ACCESS to guns. That's my whole point. There are common sense regulations that could mitigate ACCESS by the insane, criminals, or straw purchasers to guns.

Why not just get rid of the ACCESS to unchecked gun purchases through the gun show loophole?

Why not just get reduce the ACCESS to assault rifles/semi-automatic rifles/high capacity clips by either taxation, registration, waiting periods, etc.?

What we are doing now isn't working.

With all of those regulations, there's still no way to say this or that any of the other recent events wouldn't have happened. When you have a man that's motivated enough, he'll find a way.

So yeah, reduce access with all of the good intentions in the world and you'd still only theoretically put a dent into the problem.

(12-14-2012 12:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  THis would not have happened! If the gunman would have known that the teachers were packing heat, he would not have done this!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50200610

Forget the teachers, lets just arm the students. That way no one will ever get hurt again.

LOL

(12-14-2012 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:22 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I carry a gun because cops are too heavy

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

You carry a gun because you are affraid of life.

I'd also highly doubt you've ever had another person point a gun at you. I have when I was robbed and it isn't that much fun having your life in the hands of someone you don't even know.

If it happen to you, maybe after your ***** ass was done shitting yourself and swallowing mucus, you would understand. Seems like a tall order though.

(12-14-2012 03:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 03:03 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  You seem to think imposing more laws will deter lawbreakers. Does that really seem logical?

How about making our current laws enforceable? Instead of creating a loophole that makes virtually all gun laws null and void?

Are you aware of how the gun shows work?

What we are doing now is not working. Its time to try something else. And to those who talk about freedom, what about a kids freedom to go to school without some loon shooting them? what about the freedom to go to the mall without some suicidal loon shooting you?

Amish School Shooting, Colombine, Colorado Batman Massacre, Portland Oregon Town and Country Mall, Virginia Tech, Connecticut elementary school..... How many people's freedoms have been infringed on by these actions? At some point, there needs to be some additional measures taken.

Make as many laws as you want Tom and you still will have these incidents. If someone is willing to break the laws we have against murder then I doubt they will have misgivings about breaking gun laws.

Then the question should be ACCESS to guns. That's my whole point. There are common sense regulations that could mitigate ACCESS by the insane, criminals, or straw purchasers to guns.

Why not just get rid of the ACCESS to unchecked gun purchases through the gun show loophole?

Why not just get reduce the ACCESS to assault rifles/semi-automatic rifles/high capacity clips by either taxation, registration, waiting periods, etc.?

What we are doing now isn't working.

With all of those regulations, there's still no way to say this or that any of the other recent events wouldn't have happened. When you have a man that's motivated enough, he'll find a way.

So yeah, reduce access with all of the good intentions in the world and you'd still only theoretically put a dent into the problem.

I think it will be more than a dent. But a dent is still something. We've tried it the NRA's way. Its time to try something else. What we are doing isn't working.

(12-14-2012 03:48 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:22 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I carry a gun because cops are too heavy

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

You carry a gun because you are affraid of life.

I'd also highly doubt you've ever had another person point a gun at you. I have when I was robbed and it isn't that much fun having your life in the hands of someone you don't even know.

If it happen to you, maybe after your ***** ass was done shitting yourself and swallowing mucus, you would understand. Seems like a tall order though.

I don't think that closing the gun show loophole or requiring assault rifles / high capacity clips to be registered would stop you from having just about whatever gun you desired.

Teachers with guns sounds like a good idea because it is the same pointless, knee jerk reaction to tragedies like these. However, it would only be a matter of time before a teacher shoots a kid or worse, a kid gets the gun and turns it on the teacher.

Come on guys. Get a grip

There are countries with more guns per capita than us and they have less murders.

There are countries with less guns per capita than us and they have less murders.

When are we going to stop blaming inanimate objects and start realizing that there is something wrong with our American culture that is doing this.

(12-14-2012 03:32 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:22 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I carry a gun because cops are too heavy

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

You carry a gun because you are affraid of life.

I have not posted here in a while for THIS reason. You are a POS Robert. How GD dare you laugh and make f'ng jokes at this time? You need help son....serious mental health help.

Isn't the first time. He made jokes when the people in Alabama lost all they had in those massive tornadoes.

Meh, not a fan of elementary teachers packing heat.

I support background checks, but we should understand that many of these shoot-em-up whackos have no prior criminal history or stint at a mental institution. As far as total gun control, there is some truth to the "outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns" axiom. The only ones turning in their weapon will be the responsible good guys.

The problem is within the culture itself, and the specifics and theories of which could probably fill volumes. Switzerland is the most heavily armed society with barely a whiff of shootings. Can't blame 'media', as the Swiss have the same access to music, movies, and video games like the rest of western societies do. So what is it?