I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

(08-26-2012 01:43 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

Ill listen and respect a lot of Sports writers out there and polls and rankings but Sagarin is the ONE I do not and most people in the non Big 6 conference would agree...Some have the SBC last others have them near last and thats ok. But Sagarin is way to the left on that kind of stuff. Most all polls have atleast 1 SBC team ranked in the 30s. As a matter of fact theres one poll out there that has a SBC team ranked at 18.

(08-26-2012 01:43 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

While I think App and GSU are definately the exception to the rule, and better than most people here think, I still don't think if you played a full SBC schedule you'd be successful right away. I think it'd take a year, or three to get situated. And Sagarin really isn't the best source even if you feel you're right. It's just too difficult to compare when 9 times out ten during the season, we don't play eachother. So to me, its just a guess at best.

(08-26-2012 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I think App and GSU are definately the exception to the rule, and better than most people here think, I still don't think if you played a full SBC schedule you'd be successful right away. I think it'd take a year, or three to get situated. And Sagarin really isn't the best source even if you feel you're right. It's just too difficult to compare when 9 times out ten during the season, we don't play eachother. So to me, its just a guess at best.

Sagarin is accurate when it has alot of info. Beginning of the season, not so much, but by the end, its better than some newspaper man's vote.

(08-26-2012 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:43 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

While I think App and GSU are definately the exception to the rule, and better than most people here think, I still don't think if you played a full SBC schedule you'd be successful right away. I think it'd take a year, or three to get situated. And Sagarin really isn't the best source even if you feel you're right. It's just too difficult to compare when 9 times out ten during the season, we don't play eachother. So to me, its just a guess at best.

I think App. State would finish somewhere in the middle of the SBC first year....And thats being generous because any other FCS teams I would put in bottom half.

(08-26-2012 01:52 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I think App. State would finish somewhere in the middle of the SBC first year....

Agreed.

(08-26-2012 01:54 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:52 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I think App. State would finish somewhere in the middle of the SBC first year....

Agreed.

Top 75%

(08-26-2012 12:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm losing my patience with Georgia Southern fans who think we give one hot damn about them or FCS in general. Posting sagarin rankings, fcs coaches polls, or results from FCS games will be viewed as flaming and warnings will be issued. If you don't like it, you are free to submit a complaint which I will review and file away...

Complaint Department

No problem. At the end of the day, it is two people with different opinions. Nothing malicious intended.

(08-26-2012 01:34 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:27 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:13 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 12:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm losing my patience with Georgia Southern fans who think we give one hot damn about them or FCS in general. Posting sagarin rankings, fcs coaches polls, or results from FCS games will be viewed as flaming and warnings will be issued. If you don't like it, you are free to submit a complaint which I will review and file away...

Complaint Department

Lol at this, no ga southern or app state person posted the OP, it was someone from your conference, sorry the op makes your conference look like a short bus full of redheads

We don't look like anything because no one takes sagarin seriously, furthermore I know who posted the original post, but the thread would have never made it past one page if it weren't for FCS tools.

small tool syndrome..

Z

What's lamar looking like this year, Z? I think yall woodshed them. I laughed when someone said App State would be way better than UL (not exact words, but UL would beat them by 2 TDs I think, 3 if you brought your A game to match theirs). Looking forward to seeing yall at home this year, Z. You coming down?

Lamar is a middle of the road SLC(Southland Conference) team...That being said, the SLC is a shell of its former self...
If we come out like we are capable it could be over at the half.
Coming to Troy will be a game time decision... Taking the following Friday off to go to the Ok St game...might not wanna push my luck..

Kick some overrated(UAB) CUSA sssss...

z

(08-26-2012 01:52 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:43 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

While I think App and GSU are definately the exception to the rule, and better than most people here think, I still don't think if you played a full SBC schedule you'd be successful right away. I think it'd take a year, or three to get situated. And Sagarin really isn't the best source even if you feel you're right. It's just too difficult to compare when 9 times out ten during the season, we don't play eachother. So to me, its just a guess at best.

I think App. State would finish somewhere in the middle of the SBC first year....And thats being generous because any other FCS teams I would put in bottom half.

I agree with that as well that Ga Southern and App State would finish mid pack our first year in the SB with 85 scholarships. I think it is reasonable to think we could beat MTSU, La Monroe, NTexas, FAU but have a tough time against Ark St, Lafayette, FIU.

(08-26-2012 02:39 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Kick some overrated(UAB) CUSA sssss...

z

We'll certainly try. Its a wacky series, and Garrick McGee seems to be doing some good things up there.

(08-26-2012 02:40 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 02:39 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Kick some overrated(UAB) CUSA sssss...

z

We'll certainly try. Its a wacky series, and Garrick McGee seems to be doing some good things up there.

With UAB I really think its a case of, UAB gives TROY its A++ game and TROY tends to give UAB its B game... Example of 2 years ago being up on UAB 21 points only to slack off 2nd half and blow the lead.

(08-26-2012 01:52 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:43 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  I guess because you say it, it makes it so?

I wonder why when Sagarin and other sports writers and publications say it is, it isnt so?

While I think App and GSU are definately the exception to the rule, and better than most people here think, I still don't think if you played a full SBC schedule you'd be successful right away. I think it'd take a year, or three to get situated. And Sagarin really isn't the best source even if you feel you're right. It's just too difficult to compare when 9 times out ten during the season, we don't play eachother. So to me, its just a guess at best.

I think App. State would finish somewhere in the middle of the SBC first year....And thats being generous because any other FCS teams I would put in bottom half.

They would beat South Al, FAU, Texas St. and maybe one upset and the upset is being generous.

Bottom line is no FBS team implements a true game plan for a FCS program. While the opposite is true for the FCS program. FBS teams will work on base formations, allignment and technique. Some times FBS teams come out flat and get punched in the mouth and because of a lack of normal perpetration they don't have a sufficient response. I'll use the Louisiana loss to McNeese as an example we had 4 turnovers on our first 6 possessions resulting in 21 points for McNeese. We were not prepared and it showed up as a L at the end of the day.

(08-26-2012 09:14 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 09:12 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

So I assume you don't like the RPI ratings as well.

I nominate Chevy Chase for this one.

Any nominations for Martin Short and another computer poll used in the BCS?

Let's really think these through.....I am afraid we may run out of actors with all the polls that are "fraudulent"

First, Sagarin is crap, as is any rating system that tries to intermingle different divisions.

Second, if you didn't get the Steve Martin reference, I'm very sad for you.

He hates these cans!

(08-26-2012 09:12 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

So I assume you don't like the RPI ratings as well.

I nominate Chevy Chase for this one.

Any nominations for Martin Short and another computer poll used in the BCS?

Let's really think these through.....I am afraid we may run out of actors with all the polls that are "fraudulent"

The Steve Martin reference went right over your head, eh?

No, I don't put any stock in realtimerpi either. Or Warren Nolan. Neither knows how to do rpi correctly.

Jerry Palm's collegerpi.com is good.

I put no stock in ratings that combine FCS and FBS where there is no way to make a valid comparison. I also don't put stock in a system where teams don't start equally.

That's my beef with Sagarin. I think it's crap and don't understand why ANYONE would look at it and think it's the least bit authoritative.

There isn't a big difference between the bottom 20 FBS programs and the top 15 FCS programs for one game, App, Montana, GSU, etc. would do well vs. 80% of the Belt and MAC programs for one game. That said no FCS program could win more than 6 games playing 11 FBS programs a year due to depth.

The problem is there isn't much data to argue either way as typically the top FCS programs have difficulty scheduling bottom FBS programs for two reasons; 1) much lower payouts and intangibles (use of those games on future schedules for recruiting), many would lose money vs. their home gate (ASU for example makes close to $500k a game) and 2) the risk/reward isn't in balance for those FBS programs.

App will actually make less money for the ECU game this weekend than a home game, but the intangibles make it worth it.

(08-26-2012 01:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Same with RPI ratings too I guess?


http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

As soon as I saw North Dakota St. ranked over Cal, Ohio St., Air Force, Arizona State, Navy, Arizona, Washington St., Oregon St. (suggesting NDSU would run the table against those teams if scheduled back-to-back-to-back-to-back...) I realized RealTimeRPI is every bit as legit as the Sagarin Ratings.

(08-28-2012 08:01 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Same with RPI ratings too I guess?


http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

As soon as I saw North Dakota St. ranked over Cal, Ohio St., Air Force, Arizona State, Navy, Arizona, Washington St., Oregon St. (suggesting NDSU would run the table against those teams if scheduled back-to-back-to-back-to-back...) I realized RealTimeRPI is every bit as legit as the Sagarin Ratings.

North Dakota State did dominate Big 10 Minnesota 37-24 on the road last year. They would have been favored over some of the schools above, but just because you are ranked ahead of a team doesn't mean you run the table against all of them. North Dakota State was a solid team last year.

(08-28-2012 08:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 08:01 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Same with RPI ratings too I guess?


http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

As soon as I saw North Dakota St. ranked over Cal, Ohio St., Air Force, Arizona State, Navy, Arizona, Washington St., Oregon St. (suggesting NDSU would run the table against those teams if scheduled back-to-back-to-back-to-back...) I realized RealTimeRPI is every bit as legit as the Sagarin Ratings.

North Dakota State did dominate Big 10 Minnesota 37-24 on the road last year. They would have been favored over some of the schools above, but just because you are ranked ahead of a team doesn't mean you run the table against all of them. North Dakota State was a solid team last year.

Not only would NDSU *not* run that schedule, in 2012-13 (or even last year) I'd be shocked if they didn't lay a huge goose egg to go 0-8 against those schools.

(08-28-2012 08:28 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 08:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 08:01 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 01:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Same with RPI ratings too I guess?


http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

As soon as I saw North Dakota St. ranked over Cal, Ohio St., Air Force, Arizona State, Navy, Arizona, Washington St., Oregon St. (suggesting NDSU would run the table against those teams if scheduled back-to-back-to-back-to-back...) I realized RealTimeRPI is every bit as legit as the Sagarin Ratings.

North Dakota State did dominate Big 10 Minnesota 37-24 on the road last year. They would have been favored over some of the schools above, but just because you are ranked ahead of a team doesn't mean you run the table against all of them. North Dakota State was a solid team last year.

Not only would NDSU *not* run that schedule, in 2012-13 (or even last year) I'd be shocked if they didn't lay a huge goose egg to go 0-8 against those schools.

If half the games were at home for NDSU they would do well. They play in a small, loud dome that is a hell of a home field advantage. Hell, Ga Southern lost to Navy by 7 in 2010 and NDSU was much, much better than our team in 2010. NDSU dominated Minnesota on the road so no reason not to think they wouldn't give a 4-8 Arizona team a good game.