(08-25-2012 03:55 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

Tell that to Jeff Sagarin, not me.

You lost by 8 to a 4-8 Arizona team. I would say our showing against Bama was more impressive.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

Why do we even bother?

(08-25-2012 08:12 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:55 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

Tell that to Jeff Sagarin, not me.

You lost by 8 to a 4-8 Arizona team. I would say our showing against Bama was more impressive.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

Why do we even bother?

Exactly... The FCS mindset is distinctive.

(08-25-2012 12:33 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 12:25 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  The Sun Belt ranked at 11th overall, the CAA at 12th with less than a 1 point difference... I wonder what happens when you bump GSU from the Colonial to the Belt?

You put Georgia State in with the Sun Belt and...The Sun Belt is still a much better rated conference at year end, is at least tenth, and can pluck programs from the CAA at will. How many CAA teams would turn down a Belt invite? How many Southern?

Off the top of my head I would say that all CAA teams would turn down joining the Sun Belt, except for Georgia State. If you don't believe that, ask their fans.

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

You wouldn't stand a gnat's chance in Hades against App State.

I always find top FCS and lower level FBS hard to judge. The reason is that in terms of 1st line talent top level FCS can certainly compete (or even be better) than the top line in lower level FBS. What ends up doing in many FCS teams is that their talent after that first line often cannot compete with the rest of the FBS team. This is why so many FCS teams compete so well for a few quarters (angainst anybody really) and then often fade away at the end. They just can't sustain it.

(08-26-2012 06:23 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I always find top FCS and lower level FBS hard to judge. The reason is that in terms of 1st line talent top level FCS can certainly compete (or even be better) than the top line in lower level FBS. What ends up doing in many FCS teams is that their talent after that first line often cannot compete with the rest of the FBS team. This is why so many FCS teams compete so well for a few quarters (angainst anybody really) and then often fade away at the end. They just can't sustain it.

Normally very true, unless the FCS team doesn't play their reserves or have some great walk ons.

(08-26-2012 02:44 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

You wouldn't stand a gnat's chance in Hades against App State.

Alright, I am a fan of App St for sure, but lets not get too stupid with our predictions here...

Z

Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

(08-26-2012 07:56 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 02:44 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

You wouldn't stand a gnat's chance in Hades against App State.

Alright, I am a fan of App St for sure, but lets not get too stupid with our predictions here...

Z

too late.

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

and they're in it!!!

classic post amigo.

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

Navin R. Johnson

(08-26-2012 02:44 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

I don't like Sagarin either as they rated us low at 92. Real time RPI is much better at 78.

I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

A team that finished 9-4 last season and returns 35 letterman who played in over 45% of the snaps last year not to mention we are drastically more talented in all but 2 positions RCB and TE.

You wouldn't stand a gnat's chance in Hades against App State.

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

So I assume you don't like the RPI ratings as well.

I nominate Chevy Chase for this one.

Any nominations for Martin Short and another computer poll used in the BCS?

Let's really think these through.....I am afraid we may run out of actors with all the polls that are "fraudulent"

(08-26-2012 09:12 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

So I assume you don't like the RPI ratings as well.

I nominate Chevy Chase for this one.

Any nominations for Martin Short and another computer poll used in the BCS?

Let's really think these through.....I am afraid we may run out of actors with all the polls that are "fraudulent"

First, Sagarin is crap, as is any rating system that tries to intermingle different divisions.

Second, if you didn't get the Steve Martin reference, I'm very sad for you.

(08-25-2012 04:00 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 03:46 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I'll take our 110 rating knowing that we would wipe the floor with Ga Southern and App St.

Yeah, OK.

Yeah, ECU is about the only mid-major team App plays and you pretty much battle it out to the end with them every time. Last time you almost beat them withour your All American QB who was hurt. He's right, you wouldn't stand a chance. I am sure once App realized they have a C instead of B in FBS, they would fold up like a tent.

(08-26-2012 09:14 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 09:12 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 08:44 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Here's how I feel about Sagarin.

Starting a thread that the Sagarin ratings have been posted reminds me of Steve Martin when the new phone book arrived.

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

So I assume you don't like the RPI ratings as well.

I nominate Chevy Chase for this one.

Any nominations for Martin Short and another computer poll used in the BCS?

Let's really think these through.....I am afraid we may run out of actors with all the polls that are "fraudulent"

First, Sagarin is crap, as is any rating system that tries to intermingle different divisions.

Second, if you didn't get the Steve Martin reference, I'm very sad for you.

You are right, it probably doesn't make sense to intermingle FCS and non-BCS teams with BCS teams in a poll. Afterall, FCS and non-BCS teams usually both only play one BCS team a year. From that standpoint, a conference such as the SoCon or CAA play about the same amout of BCS teams in a season as non BCS teams. We usually fare about the same although the SoCon gave a good fight last year with Ga Southern trailing by 10 against Bama late in the 3rd, Furman trailing Florida 37-32 in the 4th and Wofford trailing Clemson by one with 6:00 to go in the fourth. All losses, but strong showings.

(08-26-2012 09:24 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  You are right, it probably doesn't make sense to intermingle FCS and non-BCS teams with BCS teams in a poll. Afterall, FCS and non-BCS teams usually both only play one BCS team a year. From that standpoint, a conference such as the SoCon or CAA play about the same amout of BCS teams in a season as non BCS teams. We usually fare about the same although the SoCon gave a good fight last year with Ga Southern trailing by 10 against Bama late in the 3rd, Furman trailing Florida 37-32 in the 4th and Wofford trailing Clemson by one with 6:00 to go in the fourth. All losses, but strong showings.

If you truly believe Bama wouldn't have beaten you by fifty if they viewed you as any sort of a threat and didn't have the Iron Bowl looming, you're a bigger fool than I thought. Your cutesy attempt to change what I said is sophomoric at best. We're FBS, you're FCS, attempting to intermingle DIFFERENT DIVISIONS isn't just stupid, its entirely unnecessary. The fact that we're at the bottom of the totem pole in FBS is not lost on me, but we're the bottom of the totem pole, you're buried underground. FCS football is irrelevant and continues to grow increasingly irrelevant. I would take five winning seasons out of ten with trips to crappy bowl games, over 10 consecutive
winning seasons with several national championships at the FCS level.


Your suggestion that we "usually fare about the same" is as laughable as it is vague. FCS teams usually only pick off a couple of FBS games a year period(AQ or not). Most times a NON-AQ or FCS team beats an AQ team its as much a matter of luck as it is anything else(this is not to say FCS teams and non-AQ teams need luck to win, perhaps circumstance is a better term, we beat Maryland in back to back seasons, but it happened to be when we were in a relative uptick and they were in a relative downtick) but at the end of the day we play in FBS and should be ranked among others FBS teams, you're FCS and should be ranked among other FCS teams. If you wanna pat yourself on the back over some garbage ranking system be my guest, but I'll give you about as much attention as the average college football fan gives the FCS national championship. Now let me pat you on the head before you go back to the kiddy table.

(08-26-2012 10:12 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-26-2012 09:24 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  You are right, it probably doesn't make sense to intermingle FCS and non-BCS teams with BCS teams in a poll. Afterall, FCS and non-BCS teams usually both only play one BCS team a year. From that standpoint, a conference such as the SoCon or CAA play about the same amout of BCS teams in a season as non BCS teams. We usually fare about the same although the SoCon gave a good fight last year with Ga Southern trailing by 10 against Bama late in the 3rd, Furman trailing Florida 37-32 in the 4th and Wofford trailing Clemson by one with 6:00 to go in the fourth. All losses, but strong showings.

If you truly believe Bama wouldn't have beaten you by fifty if they viewed you as any sort of a threat and didn't have the Iron Bowl looming, you're a bigger fool than I thought. Your cutesy attempt to change what I said is sophomoric at best. We're FBS, you're FCS, attempting to intermingle DIFFERENT DIVISIONS isn't just stupid, its entirely unnecessary. The fact that we're at the bottom of the totem pole in FBS is not lost on me, but we're the bottom of the totem pole, you're buried underground. FCS football is irrelevant and continues to grow increasingly irrelevant. I would take five winning seasons out of ten with trips to crappy bowl games, over 10 consecutive
winning seasons with several national championships at the FCS level.


Your suggestion that we "usually fare about the same" is as laughable as it is vague. FCS teams usually only pick off a couple of FBS games a year period(AQ or not). Most times a NON-AQ or FCS team beats an AQ team its as much a matter of luck as it is anything else(this is not to say FCS teams and non-AQ teams need luck to win, perhaps circumstance is a better term, we beat Maryland in back to back seasons, but it happened to be when we were in a relative uptick and they were in a relative downtick) but at the end of the day we play in FBS and should be ranked among others FBS teams, you're FCS and should be ranked among other FCS teams. If you wanna pat yourself on the back over some garbage ranking system be my guest, but I'll give you about as much attention as the average college football fan gives the FCS national championship. Now let me pat you on the head before you go back to the kiddy table.

Bama certainly did not view us as a threat, but they were definitely caught off guard when we gave them a fight and did not bend over like most including SEC teams. That is why Trent Richardson had 32 carries which was the most of the season and why the starting QB was in the game with 1:00 minute left in the game and threw a TD pass. Before the Ga Southern game Bama had given up 519 rushing yards in 10 games before giving up 302 against us.

All I am saying is that top FCS teams like Ga Southern and App would go toe to toe with SB schools and to rank us ahead of some is completely reasonable. Would we win the SB right now? No, but we would compete without a doubt.

College football isnt some ridgid totem pole with teams stacked one on top of eachother. Not even by conference. Each conference and division has its own strata, that ranges from good to poor.

Different divisions dont matter so much. Its the level of talent in your starters. Only 11 guys can get on the field at any time, 22 for offense/defense. FCS schools have 63 chances at landing 22 quality starters and a few backups, FBS have 83. FCS teams generally need to be better conditioned because they dont have an inordinate number of backups. Mid tier FBS might have a few backups that arent drop offs in talent from the starters, but they arent stacked like BCS teams.

FBS schools also leave alot of talent on the table for the upper FCS. App State has made a living off of 5'10 QBs and 5'11 LBs that nobody else wanted. Our last (2) 5'10 QBs are currently in the NFL, and our 5'11 LB is starting for the Green Bay Packers. Throw in a couple undeveloped HS players passed over by FBS teams, and you get a #33 overall draft pick like Brian Quick. Throw in other factors, like attendance, facilities, history and National Championships, and you can steal even more FBS recruits away from mid tier teams. I can list a ton of App players with FBS offers, and not just Sun Belt and Cusa. And more that were good enough to garner interest from schools like Cal.

There are too many variables for any ridgid hypothesis to even be attempted.

geogia southern was really good....hell, dominant for a period a long time ago.

they haven't been relevant even in fcs for quite some time.

and relevant in fcs means nothing. western gets more pub...is seen as 1 of the big 3 in the commonwealth. and that includes our horrendous fbs start. the state flagship newspaper out of louieville covers us now. they give no ink to eku and murray.

when western won the 1aa title 10 years ago the louieville paper said we had won the division 2 title.

we get that you think ga. southern is special. you're really not. end of story.