The NCAA is last in line of an ever growing line of institutions that will be punishing Penn State.
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Exactly. Its now a legal issue. Some involved have passed, and the ones around face a sever legal action. Law suites, payouts, loss of sponsorships etc will take their toll on the program with out NCAA stepping in.

(07-12-2012 11:31 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:21 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 11:17 AM)Memphis10Tigers Wrote:  Even if they are allowed to play, I don't see the program receiving the same support they received historically. They already lost their coach, recruiting will drop, donations will drop, casual fans will drop. Death, whether through NCAA or not, is inevitable.

As long as everyone involved is gone and dealt with the football institution at Penn State will live on as before -- given some time IMO. Look at Baylor basketball for an example.

With multiple lawsuits going on for possibly years Penn State football will always be associated with this scandal.

"Always" iis a very long time. I've just got a gut feeling that the people at Penn State now see it in Penn State's interest to take full responsibility. To act like an academic institution that now has to deal with a rogue football program. If they do it right this can become more about Paterno et al than it will Penn State IMO. We'll see.

There is no way the U of Ohio is going to cancel getting their big payday this fall over this. Of course, ESPN (the main channel) is going to show the first game.

Penn State message board if anyone is interested:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395

Penn State might start by 'descreetly' removing that statue of Paterno outside the stadium that 'fans' were laying flowers at the foot of yesterday. They need to begin the process of creating a separation in the minds of people between the bad actors in this case and the institution Penn State.

BREAKING: Nike is taking Joe Paterno’s name off its childcare center on the Nike campus.

Disgusting and there just is no excuse.Penn State failed as an institution and should not be allowed to play football ever again.I mean ,if my son had been abused and nobody told me or did anything about it I would literally kill the ones responsible.How could you know someone who is working for you is raping little kids at your place of business and all you do is tell them to stop because you are worried about your good name.Terrible just terrible,I wouldnt care if they played any sports because this was an institutional thing.

Joe Schad ‏ @ schadjoe
NCAA expert attorney Michael Buckner read Freeh Report and said it does not show lack of institutional control as defined by NCAA Manual

The NCAA already sent a letter to the current PSU President asking for some advance information before the NCAA comes sniffing around. There is a morals clause in the NCAA bylaws.

It seems there are quite a few folks willing to protect the football program at PSU. These actions took place at a youth football camp run by DC Sandusky. He took these minors to games, some to bowl games. This had to be approved by PSU Athletics. There were other warnings by a custodian and a mother of one child BEFORE McQueary (sp) actually witnessed Sandusky molesting a kid in the shower in 2001. The emails and Freeh investigation clearly show the "most powerful men at PSU" were much more concerned about protecting the school's reputation and had no concern for the children involved.

No, it really IS all about a university putting its football program ABOVE the law; above common sense and decency; it was looking the other way to protect their brand and reputation.

If the NCAA does nothing, or simply slaps the wrist of PSU with reduced scholarships or bowl bans, then they just need to close their doors FOREVER. Seriously.

From a Penn State Message Board. All I can say is wow:

Re: Does Freeh Report Change Your Opinion of Paterno?
I say no. He made mistakes and he was human. I can't change my opinion of him because of mistakes that I'm not sure that I wouldn't have made if in the same situation. Unless indisputable evidence comes out to the contrary, I will never believe that he knowingly covered up for a child predator to avoid "bad publicity". That's just not who Joe was.

I think it is a lot more reasonable to think that he was fooled or didn't realize the severity of it all. He said himself he didn't know how to handle it. Joe has responsibility on this matter and deserves criticism but not to the extreme that he is getting. Joe had a great impact on my life and one mistake, even a big one, is not going to change my opinion of him. Now there is still time for my opinion to change but unless more comes out, my answer is no.

I am sure there are plenty of former player and students that will stand by Paterno because of all the positives that were involved. To me, they will never outweigh the negatives, at least not anymore.

That was a man that gave millions to the university and did great things for the school and its program. Thousands of students had very positive experiences involving him, so it would be understandable that it would be hard to accept. The straw that broke the camel's back as far as my negative opinion of him is when he somewhat "called off" the administration from taking more serious measures in discovering what all had happened and what they should do.

(07-12-2012 11:59 AM)madtiger Wrote:  From a Penn State Message Board. All I can say is wow:

Re: Does Freeh Report Change Your Opinion of Paterno?
I say no. He made mistakes and he was human. I can't change my opinion of him because of mistakes that I'm not sure that I wouldn't have made if in the same situation. Unless indisputable evidence comes out to the contrary, I will never believe that he knowingly covered up for a child predator to avoid "bad publicity". That's just not who Joe was.

I think it is a lot more reasonable to think that he was fooled or didn't realize the severity of it all. He said himself he didn't know how to handle it. Joe has responsibility on this matter and deserves criticism but not to the extreme that he is getting. Joe had a great impact on my life and one mistake, even a big one, is not going to change my opinion of him. Now there is still time for my opinion to change but unless more comes out, my answer is no.

That response is disgusting. We're talking about child rape here, probably the worst crime short of murder. And Penn State let it happen for almost 14 YEARS after it came to their attention. All b/c they were trying to protect the integrity and reputation of the FB program and the university itself, as Louis Freeh pointed out.

Any argument that this is outside the jurisdiction of the NCAA, that we should let the law deal with it, is not right, IMO. That FB program should be shut down for the same 14 years that they continued to let Sandsuky roam the campus, after they suspected he was a child molester.

(07-12-2012 11:17 AM)Memphis10Tigers Wrote:  Even if they are allowed to play, I don't see the program receiving the same support they received historically. They already lost their coach, recruiting will drop, donations will drop, casual fans will drop. Death, whether through NCAA or not, is inevitable.

Orly??

Quote:Penn State Has Record Donations During Sandusky Scandal.

During one of the most difficult and scandal scarred years on record for Penn State University, donations poured into the school from a record number of donors.
The Nittany Lions raised more than $208 million during the 2011-2012 school year, even as former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was charged and convicted with molesting children on campus property

Penn state placed a football program above the lives and safety of young boys. That program must go

Donations were up and applications were up this year.

Amazing to me.

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Penn state placed a football program above the lives and safety of young boys. That program must go

i agree, but it wont. its all about the money

(07-12-2012 12:42 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Penn state placed a football program above the lives and safety of young boys. That program must go

i agree, but it wont. its all about the money

Winner.

Compliance with NCAA rules seems to be the focus of the "Principles of Institutional Control" --- this sort of thing doesn't seem to come under the jurisdiction of the NCAA directly. But there was evidence that Paterno used his influence to lessen the punishment of Penn State football players. The NCAA migt be tempted (though public pressure) to somehow tie the two using Paterno's influence as the knot. Otherwise, I have to wonder where they'll find the NCAA violation. HERE >>>

http://www.athletics.illinois.edu/compli...ontrol.pdf

(07-12-2012 12:42 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Penn state placed a football program above the lives and safety of young boys. That program must go

i agree, but it wont. its all about the money

unfortunately, with that I think we all can agree

(07-12-2012 12:45 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:42 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 12:40 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Penn state placed a football program above the lives and safety of young boys. That program must go

i agree, but it wont. its all about the money

unfortunately, with that I think we all can agree

hypothetical question........if someone dropped penn st. from the schedule and the tigers filled the spot would you go to the game??