(07-10-2012 02:49 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Some people rely too much on the past.

So says the Pitt fan! :youmoron:

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:52 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:48 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  Who is the ACC champ going to play in the Orange Bowl when they do not make the play-offs and when ND is unavailable? This should be a concern to Pitt for obvious reasons, but for the rest of the conference....

#2 ACC team will probably then play a #2 B12 team, Texas or Oklahoma.

Try again.....if the B12 champ is in the play-offs, the #2 team will be in the Championship Bowl. Orange Bowl would get a #3 team at best or the Big East Champ.

Huge assumption that the B12 champ is in the Playoff.

That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:53 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  With the schedule they have, if they lose 1 game, they'll struggle to be in the top 6.

So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

The computers are going to destroy FSU this season I think. Unless Florida and USF are way better than one would think.

HOLD IT. The SEC teams get a bump in their strength for playing Florida, why not FSU?

Well 2 things-
1- Alabama doesn't even play Florida. So, if Florida is down and Alabama is the SEC team- doesn't hurt Alabama at all. If it's LSU- that's another loss that Florida takes, making them even weaker for FSU.
2- There are 7 other conference games.

Yes, MISS and MISS ST are Powerhouses.

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:52 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  #2 ACC team will probably then play a #2 B12 team, Texas or Oklahoma.

Try again.....if the B12 champ is in the play-offs, the #2 team will be in the Championship Bowl. Orange Bowl would get a #3 team at best or the Big East Champ.

Huge assumption that the B12 champ is in the Playoff.

That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:49 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Some people rely too much on the past.

So says the Pitt fan! :youmoron:

How many titles does WVU have?

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:52 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  Try again.....if the B12 champ is in the play-offs, the #2 team will be in the Championship Bowl. Orange Bowl would get a #3 team at best or the Big East Champ.

Huge assumption that the B12 champ is in the Playoff.

That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Yes, MISS and MISS ST are Powerhouses.

nope, but ACC doesn't have anyone in conference to compare with Arkansas. Or LSU/Alabama. If say LSU goes 13-0, they could have beaten a 11-1 Alabama team that beat Michigan and a 10-2 Arkansas team. Nothing that ACC can do to match that.

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Huge assumption that the B12 champ is in the Playoff.

That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

which means if ACC wanted SEC team in the Orange Bowl- it'd be 4th place team. Yeah, that's nice.

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Yes, MISS and MISS ST are Powerhouses.

nope, but ACC doesn't have anyone in conference to compare with Arkansas. Or LSU/Alabama. If say LSU goes 13-0, they could have beaten a 11-1 Alabama team that beat Michigan and a 10-2 Arkansas team. Nothing that ACC can do to match that.

Arkansas the most overrated team last year. Only good teams they played, LSU and Alabama, crushed them.

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:53 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:49 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Some people rely too much on the past. FSU is highly probably this year to be top 4.

With the schedule they have, if they lose 1 game, they'll struggle to be in the top 6.

So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

(07-10-2012 03:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

which means if ACC wanted SEC team in the Orange Bowl- it'd be 4th place team. Yeah, that's nice.

Don't want no overrated SEC team in the Orange Bowl.

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Huge assumption that the B12 champ is in the Playoff.

That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:53 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  With the schedule they have, if they lose 1 game, they'll struggle to be in the top 6.

So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

And who was it that backed out of a game with FSU? Too scared to play them?

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

Which some years could be like the 9th ranked team.

Given the ACC's record in BCS games under the old format, do they mind playing the third or fourth team out of the B1G, SEC or XII?

(07-10-2012 03:14 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:53 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

And who was it that backed out of a game with FSU? Too scared to play them?

If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:06 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  That Orange Bowl opponent is going to be the sloppy seconds of the major bowls who stand before it in the pecking order.



Even if the B12 champ does not make the playoffs (which history would demonstrate is very unlikely), the Orange Bowl selection would be a B12 school who did not get selected for the Championship Bowl (therefore a lower ranked school). The same is true if they select a B10 school who was not good enough for the Rose or an SEC school not good enough for the Championship Bowl. Sloppy seconds in all scenarios.

If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:14 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

And who was it that backed out of a game with FSU? Too scared to play them?

If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

Assuming that the #1 ACC team makes the playoffs, which most years, is not going to happen. Probably none in the last 10 years.