(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

Assuming that the #1 ACC team makes the playoffs, which most years, is not going to happen. Probably none in the last 10 years.

So we can only assume that B12 makes it every year?

(07-10-2012 03:12 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Yes, MISS and MISS ST are Powerhouses.

nope, but ACC doesn't have anyone in conference to compare with Arkansas. Or LSU/Alabama. If say LSU goes 13-0, they could have beaten a 11-1 Alabama team that beat Michigan and a 10-2 Arkansas team. Nothing that ACC can do to match that.

Arkansas the most overrated team last year. Only good teams they played, LSU and Alabama, crushed them.

Plus they are coached by the legit insane John L. Smith. Not exactly Bobby Petrino.

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:14 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

And who was it that backed out of a game with FSU? Too scared to play them?

If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

no dream. I said computers. WV would have wins over TCU, Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St- all 5 top 25 preseason teams. Florida St would have maybe 4. Marshall over a FCS team is a HUGE difference.

(07-10-2012 03:14 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:03 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 02:53 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  So a tough schedule helps the SEC team but not FSU?

FSU plays 2 FCS programs this year. 'nuf said...

BTW, don't blame WVU for FSU's miserable schedule. The reason WVU bolted The BEast the way they did - breaking the contract with FSU as a result of the move - is because the ACC invited Pitt and Syracuse, effectively destroying every rivalry of significance WVU had. Also, FSU plays every dog in the ACC this year. So FSU can lay the responsibility for their lousy schedule on the doorstep of the conference offices...

Have you check most SEC teams OOC Schedule?

I'm not just talking OOC, dude. FSU plays...

Murray State (FCS)
Savannah State (FCS)
Wake Forest (meh)
Clemson
@USF
@NC State
BC (dog)
@Miami (woof, woof)
Duke (more barking)
@VT
@Maryland (might as well be Duke since Edsall was hired)
Florida

So looking at FSU's schedule, half the schedule is filled with mediocre football teams - at best. There are some serious questions about 2 or 3 other teams on the Seminoles schedule, if you ask me...

And who was it that backed out of a game with FSU? Too scared to play them?

I see you don't follow conversations. You just jump in to kibbutz at spots that are convenient for stupid comments...

The reason for FSU's lousy schedule is the ACC...

(07-10-2012 03:17 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

Assuming that the #1 ACC team makes the playoffs, which most years, is not going to happen. Probably none in the last 10 years.

So we can only assume that B12 makes it every year?

It's a lot safer assumption than the ACC making it. 5/6(and with Texas and Oklahoma in the early/mid '00s- like 8/10) or 0/10.

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If the SEC, B12, PAC are so powerful, by default the ROSE and Consolation Bowl get sloppy seconds.

Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

Likely the #3 team from another conference. Sloppy seconds after the Rose and Championship Bowls. Pecking order.

(07-10-2012 03:20 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:13 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Which would make the Orange Bowl getting terrible thirds.

2 SEC teams in the playoffs already get the Consolation Bowl terrible 3rds.

Which gives the Orange Bowl fourths.....see how this works? Pecking order. Orange Bowl will likely take the highest ranked school not chosen by the Rose or Champion.

So the #2 ACC team will get a #2 team from another conference.

Likely the #3 team from another conference. Sloppy seconds after the Rose and Championship Bowls. Pecking order.

try that again. 1 of PAC, B1G, SEC or B12 not making the playoffs.

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

Dream nothing. Using this years' numbers, if West Virginia goes undefeated, that means wins over #3 Oklahoma State, #8 Kansas State, #12 Baylor, #14 Oklahoma, #18 TCU and #24 Texas, plus bowl-eligible Iowa State and Marshall.

FSU would have wins over #11 Virginia Tech, #15 Clemson, plus bowl-eligible Florida, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, and Miami.

Which resume are the computers going to be more impressed with?

(07-10-2012 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

Dream nothing. Using this years' numbers, if West Virginia goes undefeated, that means wins over #3 Oklahoma State, #8 Kansas State, #12 Baylor, #14 Oklahoma, #18 TCU and #24 Texas, plus bowl-eligible Iowa State and Marshall.

FSU would have wins over #11 Virginia Tech, #15 Clemson, plus bowl-eligible Florida, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, and Miami.

Which resume are the computers going to be more impressed with?

You think WVU is going undefeated? LOL

(07-10-2012 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

Dream nothing. Using this years' numbers, if West Virginia goes undefeated, that means wins over #3 Oklahoma State, #8 Kansas State, #12 Baylor, #14 Oklahoma, #18 TCU and #24 Texas, plus bowl-eligible Iowa State and Marshall.

FSU would have wins over #11 Virginia Tech, #15 Clemson, plus bowl-eligible Florida, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, and Miami.

Which resume are the computers going to be more impressed with?

Not only that, but just the difference in the 2nd worst win- Kansas vs FCS team- is going to be immense in the computers eyes. Remember, some computers treat FCS teams totally generically, as a team worse than any FBS team.

Oh the ACC hatred here.

(07-10-2012 03:29 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

Dream nothing. Using this years' numbers, if West Virginia goes undefeated, that means wins over #3 Oklahoma State, #8 Kansas State, #12 Baylor, #14 Oklahoma, #18 TCU and #24 Texas, plus bowl-eligible Iowa State and Marshall.

FSU would have wins over #11 Virginia Tech, #15 Clemson, plus bowl-eligible Florida, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, and Miami.

Which resume are the computers going to be more impressed with?

You think WVU is going undefeated? LOL

We never said they would, just if they do, they will be ahead of FSU in the computers.

(07-10-2012 03:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Oh the ACC hatred here.

you were the one that took it this direction. But you and your ACC homers can't acknowledge anything positive about the Big 12 at all, when it's clearly the case. Like Big 12 baad no matter what.

(07-10-2012 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Oh the ACC hatred here.

you were the one that took it this direction. But you and your ACC homers can't acknowledge anything positive about the Big 12 at all, when it's clearly the case. Like Big 12 baad no matter what.

Who has lost 4 teams in the last couple years?

(07-10-2012 03:34 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:30 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Oh the ACC hatred here.

you were the one that took it this direction. But you and your ACC homers can't acknowledge anything positive about the Big 12 at all, when it's clearly the case. Like Big 12 baad no matter what.

Who has lost 4 teams in the last couple years?

That's not what I was talking about though. With what has been announced about the new system, the Big 12 has improved.... Instead of last year Kansas St not getting in, now, not only does KSU get in, but Baylor or Okalhoma have a real shot to get in as well....

(07-10-2012 03:29 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:16 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If WV and FSU both were 12-0/13-0- WV would probably be ahead in the computers....

Dream on.

Dream nothing. Using this years' numbers, if West Virginia goes undefeated, that means wins over #3 Oklahoma State, #8 Kansas State, #12 Baylor, #14 Oklahoma, #18 TCU and #24 Texas, plus bowl-eligible Iowa State and Marshall.

FSU would have wins over #11 Virginia Tech, #15 Clemson, plus bowl-eligible Florida, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, and Miami.

Which resume are the computers going to be more impressed with?

You think WVU is going undefeated? LOL

It's not outside the realm of possibility, unlike some other comments I've seen made recently...

The only reason B12 is getting that TV deal is because of UT & OU. If they had left the Big 12 the fallout league that would've resulted would be lucky to pull $15M per school per year. There's no way the Big 12 is "better" losing the 4 flagship schools. They just happen to have lost those schools at the right time to renegotiate a deal and the networks need to keep Bevo fed.

(07-10-2012 03:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  The only reason B12 is getting that TV deal is because of UT & OU. If they had left the Big 12 the fallout league that would've resulted would be lucky to pull $15M per school per year. There's no way the Big 12 is "better" losing the 4 flagship schools. They just happen to have lost those schools at the right time to renegotiate a deal and the networks need to keep Bevo fed.

But still they didn't lose those schools.

And, I'm not talking about the conference as a whole, just their lot in the post-season game. And, without a doubt, they are MUCH stronger for post-season now than they have been.

(07-10-2012 03:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  The only reason B12 is getting that TV deal is because of UT & OU. If they had left the Big 12 the fallout league that would've resulted would be lucky to pull $15M per school per year. There's no way the Big 12 is "better" losing the 4 flagship schools. They just happen to have lost those schools at the right time to renegotiate a deal and the networks need to keep Bevo fed.

Funny thing is, there is still no signed deal.

(07-10-2012 03:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 03:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  The only reason B12 is getting that TV deal is because of UT & OU. If they had left the Big 12 the fallout league that would've resulted would be lucky to pull $15M per school per year. There's no way the Big 12 is "better" losing the 4 flagship schools. They just happen to have lost those schools at the right time to renegotiate a deal and the networks need to keep Bevo fed.

But still they didn't lose those schools.

And, I'm not talking about the conference as a whole, just their lot in the post-season game. And, without a doubt, they are MUCH stronger for post-season now than they have been.

Sure......if you're Texas or Oklahoma. For everybody else it's much harder. WVU and TCU just joined a conference they'll probably never win so the point about the playoff is completely moot unless living vicariously is the hip thing to do nowadays. The ACC is stong enough they have a solid SOS but not so strong that only a couple of programs can rise to the top.

Big 12 lost 4 schools, not sure what you're talking about there.